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Maybe the Tea Party really is finished
The Week, by Peter Weber

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 1/17/2014 5:03:31 AM

T ea Party activists and the conservative groups that have enforced their agenda are vehemently opposed to the $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill that will fund the government through September. On Wednesday evening, the House passed the bill anyway, 359 to 67, with plenty of votes to spare. Sixty-four of those no votes were from conservative Republicans. But it seems pretty clear from the vote tally that Tea Party–style "ideological purity has lost its power," says Jonathan Weisman in The New York Times. "The budget process that is culminating in the passage of the spending bill has ushered in a remarkable marginalization

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 1/17/2014 5:13:54 AM     (No. 9695169)

For whatever reason,budget battles haven´t become a big national agenda item. Sure plenty of people are concerned about the long term effect of overspending but when people don´t see an immediate threat,they´re unmotivated by it.

There was no point in trying to do another budget battle at this time and the republicans don´t have a trump card without the shutdown option.

These liberal idiots jumping to the conclusion this signals the end of the tea party movement are delusional.It´s no different than believing Hillary is the next president because Christie has been fatally wounded.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Trigger2, 1/17/2014 5:27:21 AM     (No. 9695175)

Lost it´s power? I don´t think so. Just because the drive-by media keeps pumping this propaganda out doesn´t make it so.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rakasha, 1/17/2014 5:35:18 AM     (No. 9695177)

Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho)... responded after voting yes on the omnibus: ´´If I started voting how they want me to, versus what I think is right, then they´ve already won.´´

Explains a lot, doesn´t it?

But, of course you´re right, Mr. Weber, the ´Tea Party´ is all washed up. Those purist boogeymen have lost a couple of battles recently and that´s all it will take to completely demoralize them and make them go away. They gave it a good try but it just didn´t work.

Good night. Rest well. That rustling in the grass over there? Just Rabbits. Go back to sleep.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: mws50, 1/17/2014 6:03:35 AM     (No. 9695191)

The emotionally-based fantasies of the clueless journalists are hilariously stupid. They desperately wish the TEA Party was dead. They will publish every negative story they can imagine and create between now and the primaries to discourage people that believe they are taxed enough already to vote for the establishment candidate. The journalists and the establishment politicians will use subterfuge, innuendo, lies, and every democratic trick in the book to dilute the TEA Party vote.

Fight back. Roll the establishment candidates this spring.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Hank Reardon, 1/17/2014 6:33:46 AM     (No. 9695205)

Until government agencies start to unleash their vast store of hollow point ammunition on the American citizenry, the people who love freedom will endure. (Even then, my money will be on "the people").

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Reply 6 - Posted by: chillijilli, 1/17/2014 7:15:15 AM     (No. 9695245)

Unfortunately, the tea party is going nowhere. It is an undefined, leaderless, incohesive, scattered and unorganized band of passionate patriot purists who prize individuality and consequently resist structure, unity, and essential planning. They could be so effective but choose to remain disconnected and autonomous.
Sigh.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: mikkins2, 1/17/2014 7:33:19 AM     (No. 9695263)

They still don´t get it.

The Tea Party is a movement named a party. There can be no "purists" because its only true ideal is combating a over spending, over taxing, over reaching government. Everything else is for most supporters a states rights issue. I have been interviewing Tea Party supporters who frequent Lucianne.com and I can tell you they are more organized and prepared than you think, just not at a national level. Will there be one national Tea Party organization? Maybe. The movement is still young, and more and more people are starting to see that it is a force and are lending their talent to it. Its leaders are defined by actions only. Not how much money they can raise.

The Republican Establishment had already stirred up a hornets nest by attacking them. After the recent trillion dollar spending bill, and if amnesty passes without a secured boarder first, there literally will not be a Republican Party as we know it today.

You can keep writing its obituary and celebrating its demise but no matter how many times you try to bury it, it grows stronger, larger, and healthier.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/17/2014 7:46:19 AM     (No. 9695281)

#6 is absolutely correct. But the idea, the enthusiasm, the sincere beliefs are still there in the country, at least the core of the movement. The problem is that real success can´t be achieved without a better effort at organization and better resistance to those who simply want to be associated without really believing in smaller government, lower taxes and individual freedoms. And yes, #7, there is a great number of "purists". The very application of a rigid set of requirements is anathema to many of us who believe in individual thought, beliefs and effort. Compromise is not a dirty word if it means I can accept that you don´t believe strongly in X if you will understand that I don´t give Y a priority. In the end, t our primary goals are the same.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rakasha, 1/17/2014 8:32:20 AM     (No. 9695340)

Will someone please explain to me what rigid set of requirements is being applied and to whom? Please be specific.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: tank, 1/17/2014 9:00:16 AM     (No. 9695395)

Sure the rigid set of requirements is responsible governance, restrained spending, less reliance on the regulatory state, and a promotion of individual rights and the rule of law.

Now, expecting that sort of behavior out of the ´´conservative´´ party is being a purist. Thatcher´s ratchet effect is hard at work here, and the GOP establishment just keeps rolling over.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/17/2014 9:09:56 AM     (No. 9695412)

TEA party dead? oh sure (wink wink).
Not a party at all, but diverse people who come together to protest the bloated growth of an over reaching government, and the erosion of states´ rights, and higher taxes to support 50 % of Americans, and the beat down of Christians and violations of our laws. You hear me, Barack?
Young and old, democrat and republican or Independent..that is the TEA party.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 1/17/2014 9:30:06 AM     (No. 9695449)

#10, just a suggestion, but I see all over these threads that even if a poster says he likes Christie, would have been able to vote for Christie, but now cannot because Christie physically embraced Obama in appreciation for Sandy help. And, yes, according to those same L-Dotters, John Cornyn has an excellent conservative rating and yes, he´s probably a pretty good guy, but he´s now a "RINO" for not following Ted Cruz´s doomed effort to the end. Another one? Rubio is "probably" a good guy, probably a real conservative and makes a lot of sense, but posters cannot support him as he is now a "RINO" for pushing immigration reform, even though it didn´t include amnesty. Another? John Thune, good guy, is a "RINO" because he appears in photos with John Cornyn. And, according to at least one L-Dotter, McConnell is unacceptable for the same reason, appearing in photos with Senator Cornyn. One more? Mike Enzi should be pitched out of the Senate even though he´s strongly conservative and his constituents love him, because he´s been there too long. There are many more examples, but none of them have to do with the original tenets of the tea party movement. I would say these are "purist" views.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: enuf8, 1/17/2014 9:41:21 AM     (No. 9695472)

Another bill passed which NO member read. They all believed Ryan´s lies/omissions, tho.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: mikkins2, 1/17/2014 9:53:33 AM     (No. 9695485)

After all that you still couldn´t point to a specific demand to back up the "purist" meme.

How many times does it need to be said? The Tea Party movement was founded on three principles; limiting government spending, limiting governments intrusion into citizens lives, and following the rule of law as expressed by the Constitution. That. is. it.

If you define that as "purist" then there is no reason to argue further. That is its purpose. If you do not approve of it, then what exactly does the Republican party stand for other then getting re-elected?

You can ramble on about photographs and whatever else you concoct to support your argument, but in every case, the people you cited have been complicit in SPENDING MORE money, allowing government to grow intruding into peoples lives, as well as ignoring the laws and the Constitution for no other purpose than getting re-elected.

The only "purists" I see are the ones who demand that a Republican serve the party no matter what it does. That is the reason why the Republican party is losing members and support hand over fist. It will not allow anyone who may be against spending tax payer money for personal and political gain.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 1/17/2014 11:14:35 AM     (No. 9695625)

A complete waste of both our time, madam. BTW, the contraction of you are is you´re, not your.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mathman, 1/17/2014 11:20:44 AM     (No. 9695636)

There is no political party known as the Tea Party.
Such an organization does not exist, and therefore cannot be finished.
There are, on the other hand, a large number of citizens who share the same outlook: we are Taxed Enough Already.
Get it? The Federal Government is too big.
Tnat faith or belief cannot be killed, the evidence is too strong.
There are folks who try to organize us; the IRS has ensured that these folks will be punished for subverting the dominant paradigm.

You can´t kill life itself. And the TEA party is life.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: doublesharp, 1/17/2014 11:21:58 AM     (No. 9695638)

The contraction for what I think of forum grammar police is dilligaf.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 1/17/2014 11:22:21 AM     (No. 9695639)

I agree, #17. Kudos.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 1/17/2014 11:25:59 AM     (No. 9695647)

What #7 said !

In my neck of the woods, three new TEA groups were created in the past month.



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Reply 20 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 1/17/2014 11:29:56 AM     (No. 9695654)

It´s nice when people say what they really think. #8, #9, and #13 think that what America needs is more compromise. Between funding Obamacare, ending the sequester, and passing $1.1 trillion spending bills without reading them, I´d say we are thoroughly compromised already.

#8 thinks our "primary goals are the same." That´s an intriguing choice of words. Most Americans are unhappy with the folks in Washington. So let´s all name the incumbent Republicans we would like to see primaried and replaced in the next election cycle. Let´s see if we can compromise on: 1. Dumping some bad apples and 2. Who the bad apples are.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: god of irony, 1/17/2014 11:40:17 AM     (No. 9695681)

See ya in the primaries!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/17/2014 11:47:52 AM     (No. 9695699)

I´m pretty sure you understood the context of "primary", as in most basic. As for the political application of the word, simply challenging without considering the possible consequence isn´t my way. Choose a candidate you like and fight for him or her. That´s better than aiming at a target without also possessing adequate ammunition.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: lil dotty, 1/17/2014 11:48:48 AM     (No. 9695701)

Believe what you wish. Caffeine is found in more than tea. Just this week study revealed it will help with memory. And......it does. Tea Party has not forgotten...and is quietly getting stronger. Yes!!!!!! we got tea.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Lucky4, 1/17/2014 11:50:42 AM     (No. 9695705)

They wish.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Susannah, 1/17/2014 12:05:16 PM     (No. 9695736)

If the Tea Party really is a unified movement with clearly defined goals, why are there four Tea Party candidates trashing each other in South Carolina in the run-up to the primary against Graham? If all their goals are the same, shouldn´t there be just one candidate instead of four at one another´s throats?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 1/17/2014 1:05:57 PM     (No. 9695834)

We do indeed understand one another, #23. I knew you couldn´t do it. Replacing incumbent Republicans is not your way. However, it´s the only way some of us see to effect real change in Washington. The Republicans we have either can´t or won´t stop spending.The Republican Party in its current form is compromising America in fundamental and irreparable ways. Either we reform the party to fight for first principles or the country goes bankrupt. The threat of primaries is a crucial tool in that reform effort.

Sincere question: Why do you think Orrin Hatch had a 100% ACU rating going into the last election? The answer is the TEA party. Whether they win or not, the threat of primary challengers keeps even professional incumbents like Hatch from compromising as much as they would like. Incumbency is all they care about. By threatening that, we change how they act in office. And, yes, we sometimes need to target and primary GOP incumbents to do that. That is what I´m for.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: belwhatter, 1/17/2014 1:13:35 PM     (No. 9695844)

Oh you compromising republicans! -stop your caviling. T.E.A. people are not a party. They have principles derived from the Constitution, and when they see it so flagrantly flouted and ´go-along-to-get-alongs´ continually touting compromise,then TEA people do what must be done. They set about educating the younger generations in the constitutional principles so that they recognize how sorely this fabulous document is being trashed. A strongly held principle will not die as some of you wish it would. It is a phoenix that will ascend as the pendulum swings away from irresponsibility of ignorant hedonists, who will not or cannot change their thinking until they have been well and truly destroyed by socialism.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/17/2014 1:36:58 PM     (No. 9695880)

Do you truly believe there is not a single GOP incumbent who is worth keeping? Not a single one? That´s mindless, senseless, and without purpose. There is nothing wrong with choosing the battles and then fighting them well. Simply aiming the double-barrel into the trees and hoping to bring someone down is just not productive, no matter how good it makes a person feel.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: absalom, 1/17/2014 3:11:07 PM     (No. 9695990)

Following a wide Tory defeat in the late 19th cent, Liberal PM Gladstone sought Disraeli´s support for Irish Home Rule. Disraeli replied, "Sir, the purpose and duty of the Opposition is to oppose and oppose we shall, w/vigor, giving the electorate a choice"
What is the GOP opposed to, what principles does it affirm and value and what choice does it offer voters?????
The usual suspects trot out the brainless bromide; ´conservative republican´ an absurd oxymoron akin to deafening silence, Catholic Muslim, square circle etc. Even a cursory grasp of history reveals that the GOP has never been anything bur a progressive left party of government and has now exhausted its raison d´etre. When voters want stuff they vote for the real deal not wannabees. Nothing is more powerful that an idea whose time has come and most emphatically the GOP´s time has long gone. A statistical anecdote from Gallup affirms that during the reign of Obama, R party identification has fallen to an new all time low. Lord have mercy!!!


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Reply 30 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 1/17/2014 8:14:58 PM     (No. 9696308)

I don´t believe anyone that tells me they are a conservative after calling a real conservative a purist. That seems to be a troll tactic.

I am not a purist. I would just like a conservative party made up of elected officials with spines. Know where I can find one?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: radrelic, 1/17/2014 10:36:02 PM     (No. 9696407)

Obstuctionism isn´t good politics and cutting off the head of the GOP is hardly a good ploy. The tea party made such good stuff happen but will not moderate and form a coalition. Many keep threatening to stay home until a real conservative (meaning hard right religious absolutist?)is put up.

So we get the communist community organizer running amok for 8 years and the autor of Hillarycare poised to take the WH in 2016 with less than 50% of the vote in.

To say the regular Joe citizen knows how to make what is best for the country is a stretch. The right should get a tea party leader and one voice and get some loyal followers and pull the party right from the inside.

By now I am too old to even give Bill the positive of his lies being more entertaining. The middle class needs to get a candidate as clean, so no scandals, as Mitt and make him into the leader they want by cooperation and patriotism. Is any leader better than his/her people?

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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM     Post Reply
It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Michelle Obama Riverdances
Through Dublin to the Tune
of $7,921,638

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Breitbart Big Peace, by Tom Fitton    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/17/2014 6:45:16 AM     Post Reply
When it comes to tracking the cost of Obama family vacations, there are two primary challenges. First, the Obamas are prolific jet-setters, so there are many details to track. Second, the Obama administration, clearly embarrassed by these lavish and frequent family vacations, stonewalls the release of records at every turn. But we have been relentless in pursuit of this information. Our attorneys file the lawsuits and make our case, and our investigators pour through pages of records and crunch the numbers. And the information we’ve uncovered – information that would otherwise remain under lock and key – shows that the

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

Glen Campbell has been
moved into a facility

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People Magazine, by Gilliam Telling    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 4/17/2014 6:58:48 PM     Post Reply
Glen Campbell has been suffering from Alzheimer´s for over three years, but the Grammy-winning singer, 78, has recently moved into a facility, PEOPLE has confirmed. "He was moved to an Alzhemier´s facility last week," says a family friend. "I´m not sure what the permanent plan is for him yet. We´ll know more next week." The "Rhinestone Cowboy" crooner first opened up about having Alzheimer´s to PEOPLE in an exclusive 2011 interview. Campbell and his fourth wife, Kim Woolen, decided to go public with the news because Campbell hoped to embark on a final farewell live tour. The couple wanted his

Even Hillary Clinton Isn’t Sure What
We Should Like About Hillary Clinton

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PJ Media, by Stephen Kruiser    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:33:53 AM     Post Reply
The first step is admitting… It was a simple question to someone accustomed to much tougher ones: What was her proudest achievement as secretary of state? But for a moment, Hillary Rodham Clinton, appearing recently before a friendly audience at a women’s forum in Manhattan, seemed flustered.(Snip)So…no definitive successes and some clear-cut failures. And that’s the generous New York Times assessment. The Democrat fantasy story about Mrs. Clinton paints her as strong and accomplished on her own. In reality, this is a woman who is professionally defined almost entirely by two men in her life, both of whom happen to have

Those ‘rogue’ agents
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New York Post, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:37:07 AM     Post Reply
Remember when Lois Lerner, in answering a planted question at an American Bar Association conference, admitted the IRS had targeted conservative groups but tried to pass it off as the work of rogue agents — “our line people in Cincinnati”? Today we know there were indeed federal agents involved. But they weren’t rogue, and they weren’t confined to IRS workers in Cincinnati. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request by Judicial Watch, we now have an e-mail Lerner sent to colleagues noting the Department of Justice was looking into criminal prosecutions of these tax-exempt groups. We know something else, too. These investigations


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