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Inside movie murder: Texting
and popcorn made ex-cop ‘snap’

New York Post*, by Joe Tacopino

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Posted By:StormCnter, 1/15/2014 2:17:33 PM

A retired cop who police say went ballistic and fatally shot a man for texting in a Florida movie theater was ordered held without bail Tuesday. Curtis Reeves was charged with second-degree murder for allegedly gunning down Chad Oulson, who was texting his 3-year-old daughter’s day-care center while in the suburban theater outside Tampa Monday. “He must have just snapped,” said a neighbor of Reeves. The 71-year-old former Tampa police captain faces life in prison for allegedly shooting Oulson with a .380-caliber semiautomatic weapon. Oulson’s wife, Nicole, tried to shield him, and the bullet hit her in the hand before striking

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Remember when ushers with tiny little flashlights kept things under control in a movie theater?

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 1/15/2014 2:50:03 PM     (No. 9693292)

Jeeze! A retired cop? Cops couldn´t possibly be human, could they? Just like everyone else who has had this kind of maddening experience in a movie hall? Not even!

My son and I went to see a movie about two years ago and a man was texting, right in front of us...We figured it would stop- nope- on and on! The light was very distracting. ___ We were po´ed- Yeppers, it really frustrated us. Inf act, it was maddening.

So we moved to other seats where we could not see the jerk´s device. In about five minutes, a security guy came out and asked the dummy to leave- which he and his date did- My son also carries a CCW and was armed. But, at no time did we ever once think- "Hey, this guy´s bothering us- let´s shoot him!"

WTH is wrong with people these days?

Nothing- they are exactly the same as ever- Just that we hear about their stupidity more often.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 1/15/2014 2:52:03 PM     (No. 9693293)

FTA: “The alleged victim attacked him,” Escobar [Reeves´ lawyer] said. “At that point in time, he has every right to defend himself.”

With REASONABLE force, Mr. Escobar. Shooting someone who´s thrown a bag of popcorn is far from reasonable.

What a sad and ugly story.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: schnapps, 1/15/2014 3:01:23 PM     (No. 9693305)

I remember a time when two guys who got mad at each other in a public place they went outside to fight it out. It may have ended the same way but usually a cooling-off occurs and it limits collateral damage.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: slowslider, 1/15/2014 3:05:20 PM     (No. 9693309)

I´m not so sure--70 year old vs. 30 something who could´ve also muttered a threat to kick the old guy´s kiester or worse. Just throwing popcorn won´t cut it, obviously.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Donna M, 1/15/2014 3:05:54 PM     (No. 9693311)

I wonder if the retired cop at 71 had a cognitive impairment that led to loss of emotional control and irrationality--i.e. mild cognitive impairment, early Alzheimer´s, post-stroke dementia (he could have been post TIA or ´mini-stroke´). He was also alone and seemed after the incident to be very calm and not quite realize what he did. Dollars to donuts there will be a psych evaluation to determine his competence. It doesn´t make it any less awful and honestly, tragic. It should remind us all to not start up things, as much as you would like to put someone in their place.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: jond, 1/15/2014 3:11:13 PM     (No. 9693316)

We expect cops to be trained in both the use of deadly force and the circumstances under which it can be used.

Innocent until proven guilty, but outside of the formalities, it looks like the shooting wasn´t justified.



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Reply 7 - Posted by: Rather Read, 1/15/2014 3:11:47 PM     (No. 9693317)

I so seldom go to a movie that I´ve never seen this. Still, why didn´t the cop just move?
And why even go to a movie if you are going to text?

People are strange.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: rubberneck, 1/15/2014 3:18:39 PM     (No. 9693322)

Mr. Reeves has become one more poster boy for gun control. What a travesty!

It would be interesting to know what sort of cop he was. In my limited experience with cops, I´ve had encounters with cops who seemed genuinely interested in being a "public servant," and others who obviously view their badge as a License to Bully. That second type wouldn´t take kindly to somebody disobeying their "orders" to cease and desist with the texting.

Throw the book at this 71-year-old punk! (The victim wasn´t exactly Einstein, either.)

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Reply 9 - Posted by: gagolfer, 1/15/2014 3:24:44 PM     (No. 9693332)

Same defense used as George Zimmerman and others have- felt threatened. There is something wrong with this FL law if it works this time. There is no reason this killing can be justified.

And the movie hadn´t even started yet (as if that matters), #7!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: MisterDickens, 1/15/2014 3:41:16 PM     (No. 9693359)

Good thing for Mr. Reeves his victim was white. Bad thing for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton though.

All the guy had to do was stop texting, by the way. If you are doing something in a public place that annoys others, you ought to stop or move. YOU are creating the problem.

Before you quick to judge posters jump on me, I am NOT saying what Reeves did was justified but the dead guy was just as stupid as the guy that killed him. Now lives are ruined, in part, because people are addicted to those damn cell phones. Sometimes I think I´d rather be sitting next to a smoker.

Cell phones have, in fact, become the new cigarette. Addictive as hell and annoying to nearly everyone around you.

Finally, it seems to me that the last few times I went to the movies, the theater made it clear that you are supposed to turn your cell phone OFF. There is so much dumb happening in this story that it stuns the mind.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: jond, 1/15/2014 3:43:42 PM     (No. 9693362)

Do the FL laws have "reasonable person" language, i.e., "a reasonable person would have felt threatened"?

That said, just a text to his daughter´s day care center would not have lasted long enough to cause this incident.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: bobn.t, 1/15/2014 3:46:02 PM     (No. 9693366)

He should have shot the cell phone out of his hand. (I jest)

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Hazymac, 1/15/2014 3:55:29 PM     (No. 9693378)

The last time I was in a theater (1999) a family of four with children, four- and two-years-old, respectively, sat down in our section of the balcony and proceeded to ruin the evening for everyone else. Never mind that the film, Payback with Mel Gibson, was R-rated, contained some graphic violence, and the children shouldn´t have been admitted--the parents didn´t want to spring for a babysitter, and apparently liked hearing their crumb crunchers scream in public.

The parents sat five rows apart, and the children were constantly moving back and forth. All four were talking loudly when they weren´t yelling. The father, told to control his brood by at least two dozen annoyed people at separate times, took on a bellicose attitude. He threatened to "f--- you up" after I told him that he and his family were spoiling the evening for everyone. If he had approached and laid a finger on me that night, I was preparing to hit him with a floating punch, perfected in many years of martial arts, that would have knocked him out. Naturally, the cinema management failed to have the family thrown out. Most of us, not wanting to have to kill the belligerent father with our bare hands, just got up, left the theater, and drove home angry. Few of us, I would imagine, have returned.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: Hazymac, 1/15/2014 3:56:57 PM     (No. 9693379)

(Continued)

The retired policeman (SWAT, if you can believe it) who killed the younger man in the Wesley Chapel cinema probably encountered no more aggravation--probably less--than we did in 1999. There are thoughtless people out there who think nothing of ruining other people´s days. Usually, they get away with it. But not always. Two sometimes play at that game, and the results can get bloody. I wouldn´t hurt anyone who wasn´t trying to hurt me, but I understand how rude disagreements can get out of control.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: VinGoombatz, 1/15/2014 4:04:57 PM     (No. 9693388)

I´m amazed (well, not that much) that people continue to visit movie theaters. Where the films are all about rudeness and loudness and all the people around you are strangers, about ten percent of the rude sort.
An equation exists.

Stay away. Watch movies at home and read books.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: bighambone, 1/15/2014 4:09:17 PM     (No. 9693390)

You can bet that the retired cop wishes he got up and found another seat.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Hammock, 1/15/2014 4:13:55 PM     (No. 9693395)

Well thank you Tacopino for actual information!

It would be more to the point to say that the guy was shot for throwing a bag of popcorn rather than shot for texting.

If this is all true, the retired policeman is, I think, unlikely to prevail with a self-defense defense. His background as a policeman should mean he knows a bag of popcorn is not deadly. His lawyer saying he didn´t know it was a bag of popcorn is kind of weak, even if the thrower was behind him. The guy´s wife got her hand shot, she says she was trying to stop the popcorn or something. Witness statements will be crucial.

With only 25 people in the theater, I would have just moved, myself.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 1/15/2014 5:04:13 PM     (No. 9693453)

Who knows what makes someone snap? Indignity heaped on indignity until someone hits the right button. People shoot each other for trivial things all the time. Even people who generally control themselves have a breaking point.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Rama41, 1/15/2014 5:05:19 PM     (No. 9693456)

I think the last time I really enjoyed going to the movies was when Saturday matinees were 12 cents and Friday evening and Sundays were 18 cents. I liked Saturdays the best as there was a cartoon, usually a Three Stooges, and then the feature. No commercials, volume high enough for all to hear - AND NO HIGHER! - and there were at the most one or two who made noise and were kicked out. Haven´t been in years.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: texaspast, 1/15/2014 6:07:48 PM     (No. 9693528)

Here in East Texas the most irritating folks I have run across in a theater in recent years have been gangs of little old ladies out for a movie night. They generally talk all through the movie, they ask each other what the actor just said, they discuss what is going on on the screen, they ask the popcorn be passed down - all in their regular speaking voices! I am not kidding. We went to see ´Saving Mr. Banks´ last week (a good movie, BTW - no bad language and everybody keeps all their clothes on) and a group of them sat down two rows right in front of us. My wife immediately got up and moved us to the other side of the theater. And we are not very far behind these ladies in age, either.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: cheeflo, 1/15/2014 6:40:06 PM     (No. 9693560)

#9 -- I don´t see the similarity between someone throwing a bag of popcorn at you in a movie theater, and someone sitting astride you, raining blows, and pounding your head against the concrete while you´re on your back.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: provide, 1/15/2014 7:02:33 PM     (No. 9693593)

Age is one factor in a "disparity of force" defense. If you´re 71 and a fight begins, the lesser has a right of defense.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: escaped commieny, 1/15/2014 7:07:36 PM     (No. 9693601)

I am so glad we have a nice theater out in the boondocks, we went to see Lone Survivor yesterday with about 75 calm people. They had big bags of popcorn and no one was assaulted. Yes this was Florida.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: 4Justice, 1/15/2014 7:16:21 PM     (No. 9693607)

Listen, I get irritated and disgusted by people simply chewing popcorn (of course, that is mainly because people rudely chomp with their mouths open nowadays like cows chewing cud). However, I would never get into a stupid argument over someone who is doing something irritating or rude. I would just walk away and go somewhere else. This retired cop had no business pulling a gun out. I don´t care if the guy threatened to beat him to a pulp. He didn´t touch him (except with a bag of corn) and it certainly was NOT life-threatening. Besides, the old guy started it by making a big deal out of relatively nothing. Walk away, man! The old guy was going to snap on someone eventually--that is clear...unfortunately for Oulson, he was the one.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: birddog, 1/15/2014 7:40:52 PM     (No. 9693634)

"Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight you, he’ll just kill you."-Cowboy Rule#62

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Reply 26 - Posted by: harper, 1/15/2014 7:51:51 PM     (No. 9693654)

Popcorn? Well, I dunno. In Canada an active duty cop tazed a citizen to death, claiming he was being attacked by a weapon wielding thug. The weapon was a stapler, an OPEN stapler. Got away with it, too. Mind you, the cop was of race and the victim was just a cracker.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: AntiStatist, 1/15/2014 8:43:24 PM     (No. 9693711)

Talkers, testers, and popcorn choppers keep we out of theaters. People are rude and inconsiderate, as if they´re the only people in the theater.

Management, fearing a scene, don´t seem to care once they´ve collected the ticket money.



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Reply 28 - Posted by: Gagolfer, 1/15/2014 8:53:47 PM     (No. 9693723)

#21- I didn´t say the situations were the same with Zimmerman and this movie theater man. I said the "defense" to killing someone was the same - Stand Your Ground, my life was threatened so I used my gun.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 1/15/2014 9:29:56 PM     (No. 9693767)

Hey Joe- thanks for the gratuitous use of the scary word ´ semi-automatic". I´ll bet you´d be shocked to learn that the vast majority of long and short guns are.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 1/16/2014 2:51:13 AM     (No. 9693936)

The theater had 25 people in it. Why didn´t the ex-cop just move? Though the texter/popcorn thrower was plain wrong.

I wouldn´t be surprised if the shooter´s defense is self-defense, and the fact that the popcorn thrown at him gave him flashbacks to some incident in his past career.

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President Obama stood Friday with the Rev. Al Sharpton and accused Republicans of trying to keep millions of Americans from voting, in a fiery speech days after new revelations about Sharpton’s past as an FBI informant. “The right to vote is threatened today in a way that it has not been since the Voting Rights Act became law nearly five decades ago,” Obama told the annual convention of Sharpton’s National Action Network in Manhattan. Obama’s appearance represented a presidential seal of approval of Sharpton’s role as a civil rights activist, amid the new revelations about how Sharpton used a wire to record

Why Hillary v. Jeb Would
Be Great for America

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Daily Beast, by Mark McKinnon    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/13/2014 6:11:32 PM     Post Reply
They’re both qualified, respectful of each other (shocker!), and represent the vast majority of middle America. So what’s not to like about another Clinton/Bush race for 2016? When you mention the prospect of Clinton vs. Bush 2016 a funny thing happens. First, there is the reflexive response: "Oh no, not again. We don´t need more dynastic politics in this country." But upon further reflection, you realize Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton would be a great race and actually good for the country. Let´s review. QUALIFICATIONS—THEY’VE BOTH GOT THEM. Barack Obama won the presidency because in an election where the premium was on change, it mattered little

The world must shift to solar and wind
power rapidly to avoid catastrophic global
warming, say UN scientists in major report

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Ben Spencer    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/13/2014 7:15:31 PM     Post Reply
A rapid shift to wind and solar power is needed if the world is to avoid catastrophic global warming, the United Nations warns in a crucial report today. Emissions of greenhouse gases need to be cut by up to 70 per cent before 2050 to control climate change, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) says. ‘Large-scale changes in energy systems’ are required, with coal power stations to be switched off and replaced by wind and solar. And the transformation needs to be made in the next 15 years or controlling climate change will become increasingly harder and more expensive. The report was published

Goodbye tea party, hello big tent
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Washington Post, by Jennifer Rubin    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/13/2014 5:08:01 AM     Post Reply
Say what you will about Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), but they know a train wreck when they see it. They also know when to separate themselves from the cranks and the losers on the right. Although both supported the shutdown and were heartily supported by tea party groups in their own Senate races, neither one has endorsed Matt Bevin in Kentucky, Milton Wolf in Kansas or Chris McDaniel in Mississippi. In fact, Cruz’s office confirms he hasn’t endorsed anyone in the primaries. He may weigh in after the primaries. Rand Paul has endorsed two very establishment

Nevada GOP removes social issues from platform,
moves ahead with pre-primary endorsements

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Associated Press, by Sandra Chereb    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/13/2014 3:48:58 PM     Post Reply
LAS VEGAS — The Nevada Republican Party stripped opposition to abortion and gay marriage from its platform Saturday as state convention delegates instead focused on judging fellow Republicans on their worthiness to serve in office and adherence to GOP values. The platform, with few changes, was adopted overwhelmingly as the Las Vegas convention stretched late into the evening. The vote mirrors that of the Clark County GOP, which voted earlier to remove platform language defining marriage as between a man and a woman and statements opposing abortion. Many Republicans are re-evaluating their strong stances on conservative social issues as public

Video: Flash mob of women steal
$20,000 worth of sunglasses
from California store

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New York Daily News, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 4/13/2014 10:50:38 AM     Post Reply
A brazen flash mob has been caught on camera storming a California store and making off with $20,000 worth of sunglasses. Surveillance footage shows eight women piling into a Sunglass Hut and crowding around display cases. Shielding workers from what they´re doing, they quickly stuff dozens of fashion specs into their bags. A store clerk pleads with them to stop, before running out of the shot to get help and dial 911. The thieves then all bolt outside and escape in a waiting SUV. The incident occurred at the Valencia Town Center mall, in Santa Clarita, at 3 p.m. on

Democrat Center Folds
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American Thinker, by Clarice Feldman    Original Article
Posted By: real fifi- 4/13/2014 7:44:30 AM     Post Reply
It’s hardly been a secret that in recent years the moderate center of the Democrat party has been driven away and what remains is a conglomeration of disparate blocs which, to date, the party has been able to treat as if there were no conflicting interests between them. As the midterm elections approach and the administration’s incompetence, along with the distaste for the president’s signature ObamaCare legislation, drive the party’s chances down further, the make-believe coalition of opposites may well crumble if the opposition doesn’t blow it. Democrats hope to retain control of the Senate and recapture the House by driving


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