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Jahi McMath is Alive
American Thinker, by James Coulter

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Posted By:magnante, 1/14/2014 5:49:05 AM

The case of Jahi McMath brings up numerous critical bioethical issues, especially as we are going into period of health care rationing and fewer choices in our medical care.(snip) In the wake of early enthusiasm for heart transplantation, "brain death" legislation was passed in the 1970´s in all fifty states in the USA, to allow for death to be declared by neurological criteria, rather than the cessation of cardiac activity. This permits surgeons to remove hearts from "brain dead" donors and not be charged with homicide. Despite claims that there has never been a case of a person diagnosed with

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: mazeman, 1/14/2014 6:07:07 AM     (No. 9691119)

She´s dead, Jim.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: cartcart, 1/14/2014 7:04:00 AM     (No. 9691146)

I have been through this with a family member. Hope is a wonderful thing but it sometimes makes the wounded suffer long and senselessly. The spirit of this child is not dead but the body is. Give it some time for the pure hope of it. Families need to know they did the best they could regardless of the outcome.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: ohyababy, 1/14/2014 7:26:52 AM     (No. 9691163)

1.) Jahi is dead and should be given a dignified ending.

2.) The author of this piece should do their homework; the hospital´s name is not Children´s Hospital Medical Center (CHMC) as they repeated several times but Children´s Hospital Oakland (CHO).

3.) The surgery was multiple procedures including removal and remodeling of tissue.

4.) The hospital was simply following the laws of the State of California law when Jahi was declared brain dead and plans where made to remove her from the ventilator.

5.) The hospital was gagged by this family from telling their side of the story by using HIPPA laws.


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Reply 4 - Posted by: Janjan, 1/14/2014 7:31:20 AM     (No. 9691167)

The writer also points out that the family can get far more than the $250k limit in a lawsuit outside of California. I will reserve judgement and see what the payoff is. This family is obviously not paying for her care.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Rather Read, 1/14/2014 7:33:02 AM     (No. 9691171)

I think this poor girl is dead and her family is living on false hope. I would not want my family to keep me breathing by machine.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Fiesta del sol, 1/14/2014 7:34:04 AM     (No. 9691173)

The hospital did itself no favors by the terrible statements it has made on this. The hospital may be gagged, but c´mon. The day the judge ordered the life support turned off, the hospital was almost gleeful in anticipation of the 5pm deadline. The spokesman expressed no remorse over Jahi, just happiness that they "won."

Maybe Jahi is clinically brain dead, but in this age of death panels and politicization of *everything*, I trust Jahi´s family over the hospital.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: skedaddle, 1/14/2014 7:59:52 AM     (No. 9691211)



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Reply 8 - Posted by: god of irony, 1/14/2014 8:03:32 AM     (No. 9691217)

It seems to me that several posters and this hospital have confused the definition of death with quality of life. An organism is alive it continues to process. That is what this girl is doing. A corpse does nothing but decay.

It disturbs me that so many are willing to discard a human being like a piece of garbage and that so many doctors are willing to discard their primary guiding principle of doing no harm.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: skedaddle, 1/14/2014 8:06:21 AM     (No. 9691222)

Nobody is even asking why the girl should have been operated on in the first place. She´s obviously very overweight so it seems a better treatment for apnea would be weight loss. It´s like the hospital just wants to make money. When they botched her medical care, they tried to harvest her organs and make even more money. When they were thwarted in that, the hospital showed their true evil colors in every callous statement they´ve made.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 1/14/2014 8:23:20 AM     (No. 9691247)

I weep for the children of prior posters and pray they never find themselves similarly situated.

What a wretched decision to face.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/14/2014 9:20:51 AM     (No. 9691324)

Sometimes you have to love enough to LET GO.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Felixcat, 1/14/2014 9:31:13 AM     (No. 9691342)

Technology is a wonderful thing but can certainly complicate matters. I´m not a MD, but if it wasn´t for the respirator, wouldn´t she be dead already?

No one wants to discard this human life just because, but what about the quality of her life now? And quite frankly, money is an issue. How many families could afford this "care?" We all can´t rely on some wealthy benefactor or charity to pay for our care if we were in the same situation.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Razorgirl, 1/14/2014 10:36:12 AM     (No. 9691452)

I have wondered from the start if this hospital was trying to cover their backside in one of their own hospital gowns. It was almost like they didn´t want a second opinion for some reason. Is there something to hide?

However, there comes a time when the family has to ask themselves, Are we keeping her alive for us or for her? Life support can be cruel for both the family and the patient.

I have noticed over the years that those who believe in Heaven are more willing to part with their loved ones than those who do not. Wonder why that is?


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Reply 14 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/14/2014 10:58:04 AM     (No. 9691486)

No, she is not.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: RTC60, 1/14/2014 11:08:53 AM     (No. 9691509)

40+ years a nurse, and I have NEVER seen a hospital more clumsy, more heavy-handed, more graceless, in handling an end-of-life issue. Whatever blowback they get from this, IMO they brought it on themselves. I´ve seen many people die; I´ve never seen a full-scale war erupt over a patient like this. I don´t believe the war was justified or unavoidable.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/14/2014 11:18:45 AM     (No. 9691522)

Could Coulter´s real name be Dr. Paul Byrne?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 1/14/2014 11:31:57 AM     (No. 9691544)

This whole wretched issue comes down to two quotes from the article:

1. "Another California girl, Rebecca Jimenez, had severe neurological damage after similar surgery in 2011 and received a multi-million dollar settlement from CHMC."

2. "It is only due to the persistence of her attorney Chris Dolan and mobilization of Jahi´s local African-American community in demonstrations outside the hospital and fund-raisers that Jahi is alive today."

It is not cold nor callous to consider quality of life...er, existence, and finite resources in this case.

Jahi´s lifeless shell will make a lot of money for her family...and their lawyers. The inevitable adverse judgment against the hospital will result in reduced services for patients in the future.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: Susannah, 1/14/2014 11:42:04 AM     (No. 9691561)

#16, good question.

The child is dead, and has been since December 12. If you doubt that, read the affidavit filed with the court on January 3 by the pediatric intensive care specialist, Heidi Flori, who examined the body and described in some detail the state of decomposition it was already undergoing: media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/HeidiFlori.pdf

The family can continue to slander the hospital all it likes. HIPAA prevents the hospital from responding except for those documents it released to the courts. The child´s grandmother and step-father confirmed that they had suctioned the child, in direct contravention of post-op medical instructions.

And you really have to wonder about Jahi´s uncle, who said that a dead child was worth only $250,000--chump change, as he elegantly phrased it--as opposed to $30,000,000 for a live but permanently disabled child.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: mossley, 1/14/2014 11:50:35 AM     (No. 9691578)

For the people blaming the hospital, go look up Trials and Tribulations of Jahi McBeth. Your basing your assumptions on what the family has told the press, and the family has been lying from the get-go.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Butch59, 1/14/2014 12:18:26 PM     (No. 9691627)

My family went through this same situation a few years ago with one of my younger brothers. He had just turned 60yrs old at the time. He had a stroke and was declared brain dead from it. When told all of this and what it would take to keep him on life support etc, my mother told them to go ahead and remove the ventilator and IV´s. Even after all life support was removed, he continued to be able to breath on his own for several days before cardiac death occurred. And I still have thoughts about what would have been the outcome if life support had not been removed when it was. And no, he was not an organ donor.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: FL Homeschool Mom, 1/14/2014 12:28:09 PM     (No. 9691642)

This family needs time to process reality. I went through this in 2011 with my husband. He suddenly went into arrhythmia one night, resulting in an anoxic brain injury. As a mother of 3 children under 10 at the time, I had to make sure I´d done everything possible to bring their Daddy home. After 2 months, I had to make the decision to pull his ventilator and to this day I feel guilty - even though I know he couldn´t recover. I pray for this family and their little girl.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 1/14/2014 2:13:14 PM     (No. 9691796)

Haven´t followed this story other than to notice headlines and pray for the little girl and her family. This is something nobody would want to have to face and make the ultimate decision. My heart goes out to all of you who have been in similar situations.

Is there any chance of recovery?

Is there irreversible absence of all brain function?

Is there any oxygen or blood flow to the brain?

Are neurons undergoing necrosis?

From what I understand that is whole-brain death and can can occur even if other organs, such as the heart, kidney or liver are still viable.

That is what makes the decision so difficult. It´s hard to wrap your mind around accepting that a body is dead when it still has functioning vital organs. However, if machinery and medication has replaced the brain as the means of causing those organs to function when they would stop functioning otherwise, it does seem that the person is dead.


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Reply 23 - Posted by: Susannah, 1/14/2014 2:29:29 PM     (No. 9691806)

#22, according to the court documents I read, Jahi was examined by three neurologists (one court-appointed at the family´s request) on three different occasions. She was administered electroencephalographs that determined she had no brain activity even in the brain stem. She was also given a radionuclide perfusion test to establish if there was any blood flow to her brain; there wasn´t. The pediatric critical care specialist who examined her said she was in a state of decomposition.

She isn´t in a coma or a persistent vegetative state because her brain stem in additional to her cerebrum and cerebellum is dead. Therefore, she is dead. Her brain has been undergoing autolysis for over a month, and is now in a liquid state. Ventilating the corpse will somewhat slow the decay process, but the fact that a feeding tube was inserted will countermand that.

She had a complex elective surgery that her mother requested. She was also morbidly obese, diabetic, incontinent, and asthmatic before the surgery. On top of that, her grandmother and step-father took it upon themselves to suction her while she was in the pediatric/intensive care recovery area.

The poor child is dead. She needs a funeral and a burial.



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Reply 24 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/14/2014 3:15:48 PM     (No. 9691849)

Re #22,
No.

Yes.

No.

Yes.

The excellent article referred to on the thread is entitled "Jahi´s Legacy" and it was posted at the blog Trials & Tribulations. The original post has been updated several times.

The girl´s name (see headline) is McMath.

Trial lawyer Christopher Dolan has been president and is now a board member of a trial lawyer´s organization that is involved in activism to remove California´s $250,000 limit on medical lawsuits. He has found the perfect vehicle in Jahi McMath and her family, which includes an apparently unscrupulous uncle.




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Reply 25 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/14/2014 3:22:22 PM     (No. 9691859)

Jahi´s brain and brain stem are gone. There is no blood circulation to the brain and brainstem, no electrical activity, nothing. There hasn´t been since she was pronounced dead on December 12.

Nothing the hospital could have done would have restored her brain. Nothing.

Her organs are being kept going by a ventilator which puts oxygen into her blood. That blood does not go to her brain.

As many articles tell us, the heart can be kept going without any body at all if it is hooked up to the proper equipment.

The mechanical devices are providing what the pediatrician called "the illusion of life".

She is not Terry Schiavo. Schiavo had circulation to her brain and some function, albeit at a lower level than a healthy brain. She was in a "persistent vegetative state". Jahi is not.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: 4Justice, 1/14/2014 4:13:12 PM     (No. 9691936)

Children´s Hospital in Oakland used to be one of the best! I don´t know if that has changed but it is sort of strange when a young girl like that dies so easily for something so relatively minor. Yes, it was a more complex procedure than what was implied initially, but still...in today´s world, it is not common for 13 year olds to die so easily. I sometimes wonder how I survived emergency brain surgery in May when I hear some of the things my roommate tells me.

At any rate, it is clear that Jahi is dead and the family needs to let go. I read the report by the medic, Flori, and it is clear that her body is decaying and there is no way she would ever be able to return. Just because a body is "functioning" while on respirators and tubes, doesn´t mean the person is "alive". They all need to let go.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 1/14/2014 5:34:48 PM     (No. 9692019)

Thank you for the information, #s 23,24,25.

This is obviously a very difficult subject. God is the giver of life, and, of course, the end of life should be determined by Him.
I never would want to make a decision that resulted in causing the death of a living person, and I would want to make certain. I pray that I´m never faced with this situation.

That said, I don´t know how to say the following in a delicate manner, so I´ll just say that I mean no disrespect to anyone. In a way it is as much a question as it is a statement.

When I was a child, I spent a lot of time with my grandparents at their home in the country during summer vacations from school. My grandmother often killed and dressed chickens for us to eat. She was very proficient at wringing their necks and popping their heads off. I noticed that they ran around headless for a little while afterward. The chicken ran around and appeared to be alive, although it had no head. That ended, of course, once its vital organs shut down.

I´ve wondered if that is a similar situation to being totally brain dead, yet, that body has necessary equipment attached to it in order to keep the organs, other than the brain, functioning for a longer period of time. As #25 has pointed out, the heart can be kept functioning without a body. As #23 has pointed out, those tests performed on Jahi certainly indicate there is no recovery possible and that decomposition has begun. So, this does appear different from the Terri S. case. (I thought she should have been allowed to live. She was obviously alive.)








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Reply 28 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 1/14/2014 7:42:02 PM     (No. 9692168)

Re #26, it was NOT a minor procedure. Go and find "Jahi´s Legacy" at Trials & Tribulations and read not only the posts but the court papers that are linked there (actual copies at ScribD).

And it seems she´d had at least two prior surgeries to correct the problem. Her sleep apnea was so bad that it apparently caused her to be a bedwetter. And she was becoming afraid to go to sleep. Afraid she wouldn´t wake.

There are quoted statements from the uncle that Jahi´s grandmother (said to be an LVN at another facility) suctioned her throat after she began to bleed. That could have exacerbated the problem. And her family - allowed to visit in multiples and outside of regular visiting hours - encouraged her to talk during the first days when she was not to talk.

Think of the massive remodeling of your upper airway - nasal turbinates, soft palate and uvula, adenoids and tonsils - and imagine how this circulation-rich area could bleed profusely if rules were not followed.

She was in the ICU from the time of her surgery because it was characterized as "complex". Three days later things went wrong. At some point we may find out just what happened. It may take a while.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: flybynight, 1/14/2014 8:49:47 PM     (No. 9692258)

There are more tragedies compounding this sad story.
Tragedy number one is, of course, the death of a child, possibly due to well-meaning but harmful familial intervention.
Tragedy number two is the refusal of the family, their lawyers, and "ethical" organizations, to admit that the girl´s brain is gone, and so, sadly, is she. Countless dollars that could have gone to help the living, will be spent in the denial of her death.
Tragedies number three through, what, twelve? are the little children, especially African American children, who are dying of kidney, heart, lung, blood and liver diseases, who will not get their desperately needed transplant organs in time. There are blind ones who need good corneas, horribly burned babies who would be saved with skin transplants, and other ways this hopelessly dead child could have lived on, and given such joy and real hope to others. What appalling selfishness these people and their greedy lawyers have shown.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 1/14/2014 9:05:54 PM     (No. 9692276)

Seems like Jahi, a child unable to make her own decisions, has been let down by everyone.
Why perform multiple surgeries on an overweight child at risk ?
Was she of no value to the hospital once they found out she was not a donor ?
Is the family keeping her alive to gain more in a lawsuit ?
How about the attorney´s motives ?
G-d bless and keep this child.

I regret to this day listening to a doctor in a hospital where a parent died because- after all, they were in their 90´s.

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President Obama addressed the White House press corps today, announcing that with the final numbers in, Obamacare´s exchanges have attracted eight million sign-ups -- 35 percent of whom are "under the age of 35," he said. Several elements of his comments were misleading: (1) At first blush, the 35 percent stat is both significant and impressive. As recently as last month, the share of "young invincibles" signing up for plans was struggling in the 25 percent range, far short of the actuarial target of nearly 40 percent. A leap into the mid-30´s, while still shy of the goal, would constitute a major step, and would bode well for the risk pools'

Michelle Obama Riverdances
Through Dublin to the Tune
of $7,921,638

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Breitbart Big Peace, by Tom Fitton    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/17/2014 6:45:16 AM     Post Reply
When it comes to tracking the cost of Obama family vacations, there are two primary challenges. First, the Obamas are prolific jet-setters, so there are many details to track. Second, the Obama administration, clearly embarrassed by these lavish and frequent family vacations, stonewalls the release of records at every turn. But we have been relentless in pursuit of this information. Our attorneys file the lawsuits and make our case, and our investigators pour through pages of records and crunch the numbers. And the information we’ve uncovered – information that would otherwise remain under lock and key – shows that the

The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM     Post Reply
It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

Glen Campbell has been
moved into a facility

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People Magazine, by Gilliam Telling    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 4/17/2014 6:58:48 PM     Post Reply
Glen Campbell has been suffering from Alzheimer´s for over three years, but the Grammy-winning singer, 78, has recently moved into a facility, PEOPLE has confirmed. "He was moved to an Alzhemier´s facility last week," says a family friend. "I´m not sure what the permanent plan is for him yet. We´ll know more next week." The "Rhinestone Cowboy" crooner first opened up about having Alzheimer´s to PEOPLE in an exclusive 2011 interview. Campbell and his fourth wife, Kim Woolen, decided to go public with the news because Campbell hoped to embark on a final farewell live tour. The couple wanted his

Even Hillary Clinton Isn’t Sure What
We Should Like About Hillary Clinton

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PJ Media, by Stephen Kruiser    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:33:53 AM     Post Reply
The first step is admitting… It was a simple question to someone accustomed to much tougher ones: What was her proudest achievement as secretary of state? But for a moment, Hillary Rodham Clinton, appearing recently before a friendly audience at a women’s forum in Manhattan, seemed flustered.(Snip)So…no definitive successes and some clear-cut failures. And that’s the generous New York Times assessment. The Democrat fantasy story about Mrs. Clinton paints her as strong and accomplished on her own. In reality, this is a woman who is professionally defined almost entirely by two men in her life, both of whom happen to have

Those ‘rogue’ agents
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New York Post, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:37:07 AM     Post Reply
Remember when Lois Lerner, in answering a planted question at an American Bar Association conference, admitted the IRS had targeted conservative groups but tried to pass it off as the work of rogue agents — “our line people in Cincinnati”? Today we know there were indeed federal agents involved. But they weren’t rogue, and they weren’t confined to IRS workers in Cincinnati. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request by Judicial Watch, we now have an e-mail Lerner sent to colleagues noting the Department of Justice was looking into criminal prosecutions of these tax-exempt groups. We know something else, too. These investigations


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