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Retired cop guns down man for
texting at Florida movie: sheriff

NBC News [Florida], by M. Alex Johnson

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Posted By:BaseballFan, 1/13/2014 11:19:37 PM

A retired cop, irked that the couple in front of him were texting at a Mark Wahlberg war movie, opened fire in a Florida theater Monday, killing the man and wounding his wife, authorities said. Curtis Reeves Jr., 71, was charged with second-degree homicide in the death of Chad Oulson, 43, Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco said late Monday afternoon. The theater was evacuated and remained closed after the shooting, which occurred about 1:20 p.m. ET. Oulson was shot in the chest after a verbal and physical confrontation with Reeves, and his wife, Nichole Oulson, was shot in the hand.

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Be sure to read the entire article before commenting. (Novel approach). In spite of NBC´s factually-perverse headline, the man wasn´t shot "for texting", he apparently was shot during a confrontation that became physical.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 1/13/2014 11:31:06 PM     (No. 9691007)

The texter was rude and apparently a complete jerk-off, but this was clearly a situation that didn´t need to be resolved with gun. If your not willing to roll in the aisle with somebody, don´t start confrontation. And yes, I carry and am retired.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: norcalvet, 1/13/2014 11:33:23 PM     (No. 9691010)

But, the headline is what they want people to see, not the facts. Regardless, the weapon should not have been used in this incident. Poor judgement. On both sides.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 1/13/2014 11:37:46 PM     (No. 9691017)

Maybe it´s just me, but I´d like to see more facts on what happened when the retired cop returned to his seat.
If the texter escalated the confrontation into the physical aspect, then we need to know what level that went to. It could well be that the retired cop was being pummeled (71 years old) by a much larger and younger man.
More facts definitely needed. One thing´s for sure: I won´t depend on NBC to give a straight and factual account.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: mark34, 1/13/2014 11:56:11 PM     (No. 9691031)

Texting (sending a text) per se on a cell phone is a silent activity; I don´t understand how it would be bothersome to the person sitting behind the texter in the theater (unless the texter was also receiving texts which would cause his cell phone to "ping").

Depending on what happened during the physical confrontation, maybe the shooter will use the Stand Your Ground defense.

It´s time for body cavity searches and metal detectors at entrances to movie theaters.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 1/14/2014 12:34:35 AM     (No. 9691047)

I´ll bet there is a LOT more to this story.

If this is some crazy guy, why would the other guy be able to disarm him so easily? WHy would he just not shoot him too?

The headline is a LIE. There was a physical confrontation.

What do I bet happened?

71 year old guy went to return to this seat, and the other guy attacked him. So he shot him.

I want to hear more about this.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 1/14/2014 12:41:34 AM     (No. 9691048)

There had to be more than this for a retired cop to fire his weapon.
I stopped going to the theater after a horrible experience with kids walking around, coming and going, talking, and cell phones ringing. You could not begin to hear or enjoy the movie.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: chumley, 1/14/2014 1:13:05 AM     (No. 9691053)

I know people who consider it their God given right (duty?) to talk on their stupid cell phones anytime, anywhere they want without regard to anyone else. They are surely addicted to the thing, and the inflated sense of self importance it brings.
I can easily see them getting violent with someone who objects.
I agree with other posters in that we dont know enough yet to make a condemnation.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Hazymac, 1/14/2014 1:27:10 AM     (No. 9691059)

Intransigent rudeness to strangers can boil over into violence in a second. It happens on the highway every day. Although the article doesn´t go into detail about he exact nature of the incidents that led to the shooting, making an accurate guess isn´t too difficult.

Only the most insufferable ass would bring any noisemaking device into a movie or a symphony orchestra performance. Noisemaking devices are not limited to cellphones and pagers; they can also include small children.

The last time I went into a movie theater was to see Mel Gibson´s R-rated (for some graphic violence) Payback in 1999. A married couple ( I presume) decided to save on babysitter fees, brought along their two-year-old daughter and four-year-old son, and sat five rows apart, the daughter with the mother and the son with the father. The children rarely sat down, and moved back and forth between their parents, screaming at each other all the while.

Several in the audience walked down to the box office to complain, but the unruly family kept up the motion and the banter. Several irked ticket holders made their displeasure known to the father, whose attitude was worse than his children´s. He threatened to come to my seat and punch me out after I hissed at him to shut up or leave. (I was about the twentieth person to speak up.) If he had approached me then, I would have had to pop him in the nose. Instead, I left the theater halfway through the movie, steaming mad. I´ve never been inside a theater since then. Although I´m not making excuses for the older man shooting the younger man, I can fully understand how it might have happened. There are a lot of people out there who need a good beating, if not a lead slug in the chest..

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Reply 9 - Posted by: PChristopher, 1/14/2014 1:41:24 AM     (No. 9691062)

ONe of the comments, obviously from a flaming liberal, said that this should be a strong case for stricter guns laws. Well, the shooter was a cop, albeit retired, and I´m all for restricting the toys available to law enforcement these days since they´re starting to look more like an occupation force than police.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Hishandmaiden, 1/14/2014 2:31:53 AM     (No. 9691073)

Agreed... more info needed.

Cell phones need manners by their owners... just like children. Twenty-something consultant Daughter #2 has her team turn off phones and not touch them during dinner... [Guess I taught something right...]

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Reply 11 - Posted by: kono, 1/14/2014 3:02:37 AM     (No. 9691076)

#4 - no such thing as an output-only texter.

The killing was tragic; but I refuse to jump to any conclusions about it until the details are known. And history has taught us not to look for the MSM to report all of the relevant details (as the one-sided reporting on the Trayvon Martin and Rodney King incidents demonstrated).

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Reply 12 - Posted by: kono, 1/14/2014 3:07:22 AM     (No. 9691077)

i.e. he was certainly sending (output) and receiving (input) texts.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: dvc, 1/14/2014 4:02:32 AM     (No. 9691079)

Need more info. It sounds like the cop did exactly what I would do - up to a point. Ask nicely to stop a couple times, then get the theater management involved. After that it is unclear - if the dead texting idiot started throwing punches at a 71 year old man, I´m not certain that the gun was inappropriate.

If you start beating someone, you may get shot, especially if you are much younger and stronger. How much of a beating does a 71 year old have to take from someone almost 30 years younger before he can defend himself with a gun? One broken bone, a black eye, or maybe just a couple good swats?

Pretty hard to draw a clear line. IMO, ANYONE that starts beating someone is in grave danger of being shot. Same fundamental issue as the Zimmerman-Martin altercation at the end. How much damage does Zimmerman need take to be justified shooting?

The hidden assumption is that if a man is "unarmed" that he cannot really hurt you.

An "unarmed man" is NOT harmless by any measure! Critical point: What is THE MOST COMMONLY USED WEAPON IN MURDERS? [Kansas state data is all I am familiar with]

"Personal weapons" - hands and feet. Handguns second place. This was true the last time I checked, a few years back.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Japanorama, 1/14/2014 4:40:13 AM     (No. 9691088)

Cell phone blockers are sold at Amazon.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: provide, 1/14/2014 7:35:15 AM     (No. 9691177)

Theater ushers are useless. They need to hire Marine Afghan veterans with a bucket to collect yacker´s cell phones. I refuse to be subjected to a color commentary delivered to an outside party.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Elvira, 1/14/2014 7:40:18 AM     (No. 9691184)

1st, some people use a feature on their cell phones that emits a sound whenever they enter a character.
2nd, a cell phone emits light that can be very annoying when trying to watch a movie.
3rd, if it´s so damned important that you get whatever information is being transferred, get the hell out into the lobby!!

A LOT of people related to the scene in "Scary Movie" where the girl thought she had the right to use her cell phone in the movie theater and ended up getting her throat slit by an old lady. I know people clapped and laughed in the theaterI saw it in. Sick, I know, but I think it shows how much this behavior has been tolerated to the extent that people are just sick of it.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: 3XALADY, 1/14/2014 7:53:33 AM     (No. 9691201)

71 year old man had finally taken his complaint to the manager who did nothing. Escalation was started by the dead man and wife was shot through her hand which means she could have been pulling her husband away from the 71 year old man.

I solved the problem of putting up with people at the theater - I don´t go. Ever. Especially after someone told me you can get lice off the seats.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Time4AR2, 1/14/2014 9:18:55 AM     (No. 9691319)

It is better to be judged by twelve,

Than carried by six.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: enuf8, 1/14/2014 11:31:37 AM     (No. 9691543)

The movie had not started and reports are the argument was verbal and the police don´t know who threw the popcorn. Besides, the man texting was Behind the complainer. How could that have been a bother to him during the "commercials" prior to the movie beginning.

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