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Asking the Right Questions about Pot
American Thinker, by Sally Zelikovsky

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Posted By:Judy W., 1/12/2014 6:04:12 AM

He was in high school and quite brilliant. The kind of kid who didn´t pick up a book all year and aced all of his honors and AP tests -- in complex subjects like Physics. He was also musically gifted. But he couldn´t stop smoking weed. The school and his parents did all they could; he even took up sports so he wouldn´t go home after school and smoke. The more he smoked, the more he slacked off, the less frequently he attended class, did his work, and participated in class. They finally expelled him. He was last seen walking on 101

This nails it. I´ve always wondered whether the rumors were true that Castro introduced the widespread availability of pot in 1963. I was out of the country for school year 1963-64. When I left I knew maybe two pot smokers. When I returned everybody I knew smoked pot. It was stunning.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: jinx, 1/12/2014 6:51:26 AM     (No. 9688930)

I taught a handsome, bright young man in the 9th grade. He had much potential as we would all say. He was a joy to teach. By the time he was a junior, he was a full blown pot-head. The last time I saw him, he was sitting on the floor in the hall dressed in all black with chains hanging around his neck and off his belt. He was struggling to make it. How sad for him and for all the others who buy into the fallacy that pot is not harmful.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Freeloader, 1/12/2014 7:26:50 AM     (No. 9688947)

"Asking The Right Questions About Pot"

First Question---All those in favor of having your airline flight crew "high" from smoking weed, the next time you take a flight out of the Denver International Airport, please signify by raising your right hand.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: chillijilli, 1/12/2014 7:26:55 AM     (No. 9688948)

Several years ago I read that smoking just 1 joint is the same as smoking 2.5-5 regular cigarettes in terms of the damage it does to your lungs.
And yet I´ll bet that the staunchest advocates of legalized pot are the same people who scream bloody murder if someone lights up a regular cigarette anywhere near them.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: desertcowboy, 1/12/2014 7:27:37 AM     (No. 9688949)

I have a close cousin who grew up in our semi-strict household. He was very bright (straight "A´s") and could have been a pro athlete (he was truly that good). He started smoking pot at 17 and still is, 35 years later. He is still single, lives paycheck to paycheck,installs cable TV, is a total whiner and voted for Obama twice. He had every advantage in life and blew it all to smoke post He can´t string together a coherent thought. Great Post!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: mazeman, 1/12/2014 7:29:22 AM     (No. 9688951)

II went to college with lots of folks who smoked pot and landed up being quite successful. I stopped just before med school, largely for concerns about legal ramifications.

Put me in the camp that believes it´s no worse than alcohol.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 1/12/2014 7:31:03 AM     (No. 9688952)

The Portuguese writer Antunes said during the 1970s, under the jack-boot regime of Salazar, heroine was cheaper than cigarettes in order to keep the people docile so they wouldn´t revolt.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Rinktum, 1/12/2014 7:40:56 AM     (No. 9688959)

They want us to believe that marijuana is harmless. The lives of scores of addicted marijuana users paints a totally different picture. Any substance that alters our brains is not good for us be it alcohol, marijuana, meth, cocaine, prescription drugs, etc. Have a lackadaisical attitude toward drugs of any kind (including alcohol) and your kids will suffer. Marijuana is not the benign substance they are making it out to be. The best campaign against any drug would be PSA´s showing the results of its use. It is not all glamour and glitz. In reality it is, at best, a life wasted.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 1/12/2014 7:54:53 AM     (No. 9688969)

This is a seminal work on the effects of smoking cannabis. Thank you for making it a Must Read.

FTA: If we want to decriminalize and outright legalize it, then we should fight against its use with as much vim and vigor as we do with cigarettes and alcohol. We shouldn´t glorify it or pretend it is benign. Next comes REHAB (your tax dollars at work)!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: privateer, 1/12/2014 7:55:33 AM     (No. 9688971)

It sounds like Sally smokes cigarettes.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Catherine, 1/12/2014 8:06:28 AM     (No. 9688983)

The responses here seem to think pot is the worst thing in the world. I don´t. I think alcohol is. It ruins more lives than anything else. Not only the alcoholics but their family and anyone else on the highway when the drunk happens to be driving home or to a bar.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: rmagnus, 1/12/2014 8:26:45 AM     (No. 9689001)

#10 let´s see what you have to say after its been legal nationwide for 80 years.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: arkfamily, 1/12/2014 8:27:28 AM     (No. 9689005)

If you want me to say that marijuana is worse than alcohol, I won´t say it. If you want me to say that alcohol is worse than marijuana, I won´t say it. I believe they are both bad for your body. I do believe that marijuana addiction occurs faster. I had a family member that overcame it, sort of.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: D-Wall, 1/12/2014 8:40:42 AM     (No. 9689019)

Reefer madness at its worst. First off, there is so much hyperbole and straw man arguments in this, I thought that Obama was making the case. Secondly I have smoked weed. Plenty of times. Do I still? So rarely that it is less than once a year. The article makes the case that it is addictive and that uses continue to push for a high...he is mistaking that for cocaine and other stimulative drugs. Many of the arguments, like it killing brain cells and "causing people to talk differently" to paraphrase is absolute nonsense. You can certainly blame that on a cultural Deadhead/Phish mentality just like the kids tried to talk Valley Girl back in the 80´s after seeing Fast Times. Such nonsense.
The other argument about pot vs. cigs was ridiculous as well. You can´t have it both ways with your Prohibitionist views.
Also to those, many of you purported Freedom lovers, why do you push to control others lives...especially when you haven´t even tried it. You are relying on anecdotes and that is a dangerous thing in all cultures. The author argued against the alleged effects of pot minimizing nausea, which is widely accepted medically. Final point- look at a nation like Holland. The majority of their population doesn´t smoke weed even though it is available. Why could that be in a freer society than ours? Where is all the outrageous stories of Dutch pot inebriated maniacs tearing apart their society? Such drivel. And by the way, I am one of those that leads a team of highly trained professional that Nobama loves to hate and steals my hard earned wages. Amazing where I came from with all the pot destroyed brain cells in my head (there´s an anecdote for you).

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Brittany, 1/12/2014 8:43:57 AM     (No. 9689022)

Sally may smoke cigarettes but I sure do. After a long siege with a slowly dying husband, this 2 drinks at a party gal continued a dangerous appetite for alcohol. Thanks to my alert children I went cold turkey (hard to drive to a market past the liquor store, let me tell you). As a despised smoker, I´ll take it to alcohol any day, let alone drugs which I suspect I could easily become addicted to. At least any harm I do is to me, not some innocent victim of a drugged accident or the loss of my relationship with my children.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 1/12/2014 8:44:41 AM     (No. 9689024)

The only "good" that can come from legalizing pot is increased tax money for the politicians to squander....that´s it.

This nation will suffer because of millions of buzzed out citizens looking for their next legal bag of weed.

Or worse.

You liberals and libertarians can save your breath, you´re wrong.

Time will certainly tell on this but by that time it´ll be too late, won´t it?...ya.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 1/12/2014 8:52:15 AM     (No. 9689031)

The plural of anecdote is not data. The stories are useful in context, of course. We would need to verify the claims by multiple witnesses.

Then we would need to distinguish pot use as evidence of dysfunction from pot use as *cause* of dysfunction.

And we would need to explain the millions of pot smokers whose use either comes to an end without any drama or, in the case of others, continues, again without any drama.

Apparently pot can be as emotionally hard for some to quit as cheeseburgers, and I don´t advocate inhaling smoke, but I accept the fact that people own their own lives. Cheeseburgers and pot, in excess, will obviously harm the health of the customer.

One good thing legalizing pot will definitely accomplish is the delivery of untainted products to the market, so that the horror stories based on poisoned customers will no longer taint the urban legends developed over pot.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Observer177, 1/12/2014 9:03:00 AM     (No. 9689041)

A recent report published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, about a 25 year long New Zealand study that followed 1,037 people from birth to age 38, found that of those 1,037 those subjects who were heavy pot smokers-- especially those who started in their grade school and high school years--suffered noticeable, significant, and irreversible losses of as many as eight I.Q. points (in someone who originally tested with an average I.Q. of 100 this eight point loss would plunge them from the 50th percentile down to the 29th), showed evidence of broad “neuropsychological decline,” and also suffered a higher incidence of psychological problems. Those who started heavy marijuana use later in life, say, in their college years, suffered the same declines in I.Q. and cognitive function but, if they stopped using marijuana, had some hope of regaining some or all of their I.Q. and cognitive function losses. Younger, heavy smokers who stopped later on never regained their losses of I.Q. and cognitive function.

There have also been studies showing that marijuana—cigarette for cigarette—has stronger, more harmful carcinogenic effects then tobacco.

Now comes a study just printed here on Lucianne yesterday, saying that marijuana use makes those with psychoses have their first episode manifest itself earlier than it usually does.

Pot is pure poison, and why anyone would advocate its free and general use—much less a whole state or any government doing so--is beyond me.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Udanja99, 1/12/2014 9:04:23 AM     (No. 9689043)

#5, you went to medical school and you use the phrase "no worse than alcohol"? That´s your rationalization? How many millions of lives have been ruined by alcohol? Not just the alcoholics, but their families, friends and those they kill or maim in various accidents. How long before someone forms the first chapter of MASD?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: lakerman1, 1/12/2014 9:21:07 AM     (No. 9689058)

Here is my anecdotal evidence on the issue.
When I was a doctoral student back in the early 1970s, I consumed alcohol, as did my circle of friends who were also doctoral students. And while I didn´t smoke pot, many of them did.
As I approached my doctoral comprehensive exams, I realized that drinking was counter productive - that I had to have a clear mind to do my work. So I quit drinking.
My friends continued to smoke and drink. Most of them never earned their doctorates.
I did earn mine.
A chemically clouded mind does not result in clear thinking, although some of those friends would disagree.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: lana720, 1/12/2014 9:35:00 AM     (No. 9689076)

The amounts of ammonia in pot are very high and deleterious.

Car insurance rates will rise where it is legal. While states may legalize it, what is wrong with the Feds (on whose books it is still illegal) with enforcing its laws against it? Never under this admin, tho´!

BTW, the Russians love this. They can take over our country with NO opposition.

Those people in line? Woodstock without the mud,

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Reply 21 - Posted by: jglas, 1/12/2014 9:38:20 AM     (No. 9689080)

The problem is that when the state begins to make laws to protect you from yourself (i.e. begins to become a nanny state) where does the process stop? All the state needs is a rationale that doing something is bad for you and they have the justification for making it illegal. Taking drugs is bad for you. Outlaw the drugs considered bad for you. Not having health insurance is bad for you. Outlaw not having state prescribed health insurance. Too much sugar is bad for you. Outlaw large sugary drinks. I don´t think (and the constitution doesn´t prescribe that) it´s the federal government´s responsibility to prevent people from doing things that can harm them. People have to be permitted to make bad decisions or they aren´t truly free. Individual freedom is the guiding principle of the constitution. In general the state should restrict itself to preventing people from harming other people. Others should be protected, by law if necessary, from the consequences of individuals making bad decisions. So if the state wants to throw the book at people who abuse drugs and in so doing harm others, fine. Of course law and brute force aren´t the only answer for preventing bad decisions.

Religions, families and other ethics and morals teaching institutions should be encouraged lest their absence be used by the state to justify imposing laws to enforce the state´s own version (which can easily lead to tyranny). That´s what George Washington and other founders meant when they said the constitution would only work if we remained a moral people. Some would be tyrants recognize that and purposefully attack those institutions just so they ´ll have the justification to fill the roll of those institutions and rule with an iron fist.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: shamrock, 1/12/2014 9:49:52 AM     (No. 9689099)

What is the percentage of pot smokers? On the news Friday they said cigarette smoking was at 18%. Am I to believe that the whole country will be stoned, but only 18 % smoke tobacco?

I don´t know anyone that smokes pot but I run with a pretty quiet crowd of hard workers that take responsibility very seriously.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: tank, 1/12/2014 9:51:21 AM     (No. 9689103)

Wow. Another paragraph and I expected her to start going on about negroes and jazz...

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Heraclitus, 1/12/2014 9:53:43 AM     (No. 9689106)

There´s a reason why pot is in the "dope" category, no matter what its advocates and apologists assert. Will these people go stand in line at the pot stores?

Well, maybe they ought to, and then report back on what they observe.

I hope that other States will study the impact in CO and WA (or is it OR?) and wait before possibly pursuing legalization.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: saucy, 1/12/2014 9:59:40 AM     (No. 9689115)

How many auto accidents or school shootings do we have to endure before we ban weed - as attempted gun bans after school shootings.

How many innocent children have to die?
How many lost productive lives?
How many destroyed families.

FTA - "THC -- the main ingredient in pot -- stays in the body for weeks even after the direct effects fade."

Oh Lord, help us - save us from ourselves.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 1/12/2014 10:03:47 AM     (No. 9689123)

Personally, I would like to see both pot and alcohol banned, but that will never happen. I totally disagree with anyone who thinks drugs and alcohol are harmless.

I use to work in a print shop when I was young. Me and another guy were working late. He stepped out to smoke a joint. When he came back, he was practically floating from the buzz. He went over to his printing press and about 5 seconds later stuck a finger in the rollers. Fortunately, the printing press was a newer model and had a safety feature and it stopped immediately. I really think pot screws up a person´s brain. Pot is not harmless.

I also served on a grand jury for a month. Three cases involved fatalities. In each of the three cases, the people involved had been drinking heavily for 5 to 10 hours. There are people out there that are walking disasters. When they get drunk, their ugly side comes to the surface in a big way.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Elvira, 1/12/2014 10:20:24 AM     (No. 9689141)

I believe that pot damages a person´s ability to think clearly and make effective timely decisions. However, I am still of the opinion that it should be legal and taxed so that the problems it causes can be paid for - just like alcohol. It is and will be used, legally or not. We have so many far more important issues to deal with as a society and pouring more money at arrests and convictions for pot seems a huge waste. We have had young people in jail for YEARS because of a small amount of pot!! Talk about a waste! Young men and women who could have been being productive members of society jailed for this crap!

That said, I would hope that part of the revenue collected will go towards educational outreach, just like alcohol, in schools special reports whatever it takes to get the public at large better informed. From what I´ve read about the damage to the lungs from pot, that´s a huge factor. As I write this, tomorrow will be one week without smoking. I´ve done this before, for a year and was an idiot for picking it up again. I watched my Mother die a long, slow, painful death from COPD and I don´t have the same strength to go through what she did. It´s this and other consequences of any of our decisions - including smoking pot - that people need to be educated as to what they may be asking for when they light up, pour a drink, whatever.

Let´s remain a free country, BUT free doesn´t mean there aren´t any rules for the safety and well being of all of us.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Arby, 1/12/2014 10:36:08 AM     (No. 9689158)

I am struck by the silence of those who will only eat organic food, worry about genetically-modified food, etc. etc. There is an ideological side to this. ´Sensual pleasure´ is the first goal of the liberal/romantic. The personal shackles are thrown off along with the political ones. The finicky Bobos described by David Brooks do not criticize the practices of those with whom they are politically sympathetic. They are only ´their brother´s keeper´ when it comes to paying high taxes and reallocating income. The LSM, dims, etc. are, in effect, latter-day hippies. Grass is cool; let´s stick it to the man. Look at Fauxbama, the quintessential product of hippiedom.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: zoidberg, 1/12/2014 10:39:58 AM     (No. 9689163)

Do you own your own body, or does the state own it?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 1/12/2014 10:45:21 AM     (No. 9689173)

This "make it legal and tax it" mindset I don´t get. I thought people wanted small gov´t? Make it legal period. Make all drugs legal. The lowest common denominator will always find a way. I have faith in my fellow man (as long as they are not a dem). And some of these anecdotes still floating around are embarrassing that people still believe.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: RancherJack, 1/12/2014 10:48:44 AM     (No. 9689179)

Evolution in Action™

(otherwise known as weeding out the sub-standard)

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Reply 32 - Posted by: peterfleming, 1/12/2014 11:05:06 AM     (No. 9689198)

One less product connected to the big bank money laundering criminal underworld that supports door smashing confiscatory police and gang violence.
That´s good! Each county, city, can have its own unique local rules of public customs and usage. Hey, it´s legal!

Growers and manufacturers of canabis clothing, rope and paper products will thrive, and no longer be raided and imprisoned falsely. New markets for the small farmer ! Canabis may be habit forming, but withdrawal,
unlike alcohol, cocaine, tobacco and other meds, quitting grass is not excruciatingly painful.
Being around Malibu surfers for many years, observing many otherwise healthy grass users, it was obvious it can slow down the alertness of the brain of some users.

The old rule seemed relevant, those who dope up, crash
and don´t dream, and therefore do not mature as well as those who dream naturally.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: planetgeo, 1/12/2014 11:25:31 AM     (No. 9689229)

Oh jeez, here we go gain...if it feels good, do it...make love, not kinetic military actions...what next, tie-dyed T-shirts and bell bottoms?

Egad, isn´t there ANY place left on this Earth where one can live among sane people any more?

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Reply 34 - Posted by: snakeoil, 1/12/2014 11:26:43 AM     (No. 9689233)

What happens when a pot head buys pot in Colorado and takes it across a state line? Yes there are problems with booze. I´m a libertarian who believes in freedom and all that stuff. But if someone I care about is killed by someone high on pot or booze or texting while driving my principles don´t mean that much. Being alive is more important than politics.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Butch59, 1/12/2014 11:48:16 AM     (No. 9689256)

I don´t advocate for the legalization or criminalization of Pot, but I will give you my personal experience with it. I have NEVER used pot is any way. But, when my son just turned 13yrs old, he started smoking pot. I fully believe that he turned to it because of the death of his older sister and his niece. He did so to ease the pain he was in. Prior to that, he was a straight A student from the beginning. After, his grade went in the toilet. I didn´t think I´d ever see him graduate from H.S. but thank the good Lord, he did. His problems continued. But, about 7yrs ago, he, somehow, stopped using pot. I think it was because he couldn´t get a job if he didn´t stop and I would not continue to support him. My wife and I spent a small fortune and uncountable hours trying to get him off the stuff, but never did succeed. Now, he doesn´t smoke pot, has a good job, a nice apartment, and has found a nice girl to spend time with. He is now 38yrs and beginning to live the life he should have had 20yrs ago. I will say that just like alcohol, there are those that can be addicted psychologically and that addiction can be extremely hard to break. And I firmly believe that the reason anyone uses pot, coke, heroin, meth, or any of the illegal drugs is to get "high" and not have to face the problems of life. All the want to do is drop out. I´ve personally seen it.

And sadly, my son still thinks pot should be made legal.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: fishbone, 1/12/2014 12:03:37 PM     (No. 9689273)

Hey! All you "conservatives" espousing Big Government criminalization of drugs. Come on over to the Dark Side. Give up your last vestige of claiming Conservatism. You know you´re really a closet Progressive. Stop playing the game that you´re a conservative. You´ll have more friends who agree with you about big govt. (Not really sarcasm. If you´re going to promote a big govt agenda, be honest with yourself and just register as Democrat.)

#21, you articulated very well my thoughts. Lots better than I could have hoped. Thanks.

The government should be OUT of our lives.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: NotaBene, 1/12/2014 12:04:02 PM     (No. 9689274)

The Bent One never inhaled. A wonderful example.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: jackburton, 1/12/2014 12:09:34 PM     (No. 9689278)

I smoked for about a year in college. When I noticed it was affecting my memory, I stopped. The slogan of the time was "Don´t know it if you haven´t tried it".

I tried it. I can and do ´knock´ it all the time.

I also like good scotch and will occasionally have a bit of a cigar. I don´t drive while doing either. Pot and those two are in completely different categories; comparing them is strictly ´straw man.´

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Reply 39 - Posted by: ida Lou Pino, 1/12/2014 12:10:39 PM     (No. 9689281)

Anyone who believes in individual freedom and limited government - - must vigorously oppose the government telling anyone what they may or may not choose to ingest.

If you allow the government to control or ban narcotics - - you eventually get 0bamacare - - where the government controls every aspect of your life.

L-Dotters who favor government control of narcotics are simply being foolish - - and are playing into the hands of leftist tyrants.

Yes - - let´s have strong laws against dangerous public behavior - - such as recklessly operating vehicles which can kill innocent people. But let´s not have any government involvement at all with private intoxication.

We must allow individual freedom for stupid people as well as for intelligent ones. Or else none of us will be free.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 1/12/2014 12:16:13 PM     (No. 9689287)

If you don´t think pot is damaging just look at the No. 1 pothead in the country and tell me if you want a like minded nation - choom gang indeed.
I do see positives, most of the dems will be too stoned to make it to the polls.
In all seriousness, the pot they are selling is not your father´s pot of the 60s and 70s. THC levels have jumped from 3.5 in the 60s to something called AK-47 now on the market with an advertised average THC level of 36.6%. According to the feds there are significantly more medical emergencies showing up due to this drug. This stuff is processed and super-charged. I don´t know what the regulations will do about controlling the levels, if anything, but I would like to see this aspect of it discussed. I just can´t find much on it.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: catfur27, 1/12/2014 12:18:24 PM     (No. 9689289)

...like hey man...I don´t think there´s nothing rong with smokin´...like...??....hey man..what were we talkin´ about??

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 1/12/2014 12:55:26 PM     (No. 9689321)

part of me is sympathetic to the "think of it as evolution in action" approach. Let the idiots be stoners and die.
on the other hand,
Dear Wife and I have both had some experiences most others have not. We´ve had to pick up "pieces of people" off the highway when some jerk decides to get stoned or drunk or combine the two in a wine & weed party. And then go out practicing their drunk driving. And, all too often, kill or maim others in the pursuit of personal pleasures.
Ever had to go to someone´s door at 2 a.m. and ask them to come to morgue to identify what´s left of their son or husband? I assure you, it is not enjoyable for anyone.
These actions and behaviors have real consequences for real people and they´re not always lighthearted and fun.
We USED to have a social fabric that discouraged such behavior. Now we subsidize it and make excuses for it. Even here.
I thought that one of our duties was to hand our descendants a better world than we received. This is not the way to accomplish that. If you doubt that, go down to the morgue some day and count the bodies.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: bluefindad, 1/12/2014 12:57:42 PM     (No. 9689324)

#23 nails it, albeit sarcastically. If you have no intuitive understanding of why it´s bad, then no rational argument is likely to sway you. Those who argue that "it is no worse than drinking" suffer from the rationalized delusion that two wrongs make a right.

Imagine a circumstance where parents are stoned and their small child begins to choke on an item from the munchies platter, or parents are stoned but have to pick the kids up from practice, or drop mom off for a doctor appointment.

Legalization is tacit approval by authority. It does not result in everyone rushing out to get high, but it will result in higher usage and dependency by a percentage of citizens. It will not result in less criminal behavior unless the government refrains from taxing it to the point where a black market is lucrative (ATF will have to get after the ´potshiners´).

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Reply 44 - Posted by: Silverbyte, 1/12/2014 1:29:13 PM     (No. 9689356)

Important to remember we are already and have been for decades awash in pot and potheads. There are no, zero, barriers to getting it if you want it. I like many find it hard to predict what legalization will bring, but i doubt it will be millions more potheads than we already have.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: Observer177, 1/12/2014 1:34:02 PM     (No. 9689364)

Doesn’t anyone defending marijuana use and availability here understand what the phrases “irreversible I.Q loss” and “neuropsychological decline” mean for stoners, their futures, their families, friends, and for our country generally?

If his "choice" effected just the "stoner" alone, I would tend to agree with those unsentimental posters here, who point to nothing more than the usual Darwinian selection process at work.

But, its isn’t just about the “stoner,” his “freedom,” or his ability to be able to “choose,” because every new stoner leaves family, social, and economic destruction in his wake; innocent people who get caught up that wake, and whose lives are not made better as a result, plus even more costs to and pressure on our medical and law enforcement systems.

More importantly, supposedly “harmless” marijuana is the “gateway” drug that leads to even worse drugs and addictions, and to even more crime and ruination.

On the national level, this country—in a whole series of jams thanks to “Choom” Obama & Co.-- needs every decent, motivated, clear-sighted, sharp-witted, educated, hard-working person it can get, and widespread pot use will and probably already has ruined the chances of many smokers—especially heavy smokers-- of becoming those decent, motivated, clear-sighted, sharp-witted, educated, and hard-working people we need so desperately to get out of those jams.

Perpetually beclouded and befuddled “Cheech & Chong” and their ilk can barely stand up, much less see and think clearly, remember or concentrate, or attain a high level of education or functioning, and legalization is just going to produce more Cheeches and Chongs.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: The Patriot Code, 1/12/2014 1:40:20 PM     (No. 9689372)

Great comments from L-Dotters!

As an aside, I wonder if the paranoia that is experienced when smoking pot is eliminated once the drug is legalized.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: busterman, 1/12/2014 2:06:33 PM     (No. 9689399)

#13 makes a dangerous assumption that pot affects everyone the same way. It doesn´t. This person also implies it´s not addictive and doesn´t have ill-effects towards health, despite medical reports to the contrary, by claiming they suffered no ill-effects from smoking pot.

As for the big govt-small govt, libertarian-conservative, argument; the government wouldn´t need to legalize or criminalize illicit drugs if people were responsible in their use. Once a good number of people are killed by someone smoking pot, laws have to be passed.

So in this case, it has nothing to do with big vs small government. It has everything to do with irresponsible behavior by individuals.

Personally, I could care less if you want to smoke pot and ruin your life. Go for it. But don´t expect me or anyone else to come to your aid. Oh and if you decide to do it while driving, don´t be surprised if we report you and file charges against you. Endanger your own life, not anyone else.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 1/12/2014 2:09:48 PM     (No. 9689402)

Since the New Zealand study linking IQ differences to pot use has been cited several times, I looked it up. It is a flawed study, because the demographic differences can fully account for the IQ differences.


"Marijuana permanently lowers IQ by several points in adolescents, according to research published in August. But a new study suggests that factors related to economic class and home life, not marijuana use, may have caused that IQ drop."

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Reply 49 - Posted by: MDConservative, 1/12/2014 2:11:06 PM     (No. 9689405)

#21 - "People have to be permitted to make bad decisions or they aren´t truly free."

Hear! Hear!

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Reply 50 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 1/12/2014 2:38:11 PM     (No. 9689435)

#40 wrote:

"THC levels have jumped from 3.5 in the 60s to something called AK-47 now on the market with an advertised average THC level of 36.6%."

I hope you are correct, though I couldn´t verify the numbers. The less smoke the user needs in order to get the THC he desires, the safer he will be, both from the heat damage and from any associated carcinogens in smoke.

By the way, all of the critics who keep harping on pro-legalization advocates as "saying it has zero harm" or "advocating pilots get high," etc., your comments are deeply uninformed.

Pro-legalization people make several points:

Adults have the right to use their bodies as they choose, as long as they harm nobody else. Harms to others are legitimately penalized by law, but not by reference to acts that are not in themselves harmful.

Any decision by which a person renders himself too weak, too fatigued, too dizzy, too disoriented to operate dangerous machinery, including guns, automobiles, aircraft safely is acceptable until the person commits to operate the machinery anyway. A person in need of sleep, or planning to become "stoned," has a moral duty to separate himself from any need or opportunity to operate dangerous machinery.

Finally we advocates of legalization don´t expect pot to be safe, but merely safer as a legal product than it is as an illegal one.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/12/2014 3:47:13 PM     (No. 9689482)

#10 wins this week´s award for the first post stating ALCOHOL is worse than pot. Congratulations.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/12/2014 3:48:48 PM     (No. 9689483)

You ever notice that when discussing the bad effects of ALCOHOL no one says that POT is worse?

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Reply 53 - Posted by: rocco49, 1/12/2014 4:21:43 PM     (No. 9689501)

I agree with 51 and 52 --- I know so many people, teachers, counselors, lawyers, even a doctor and some nurses, who regularly smoke pot and have done so for 20 to 40 years! They´re all "normal" folks.....The alcohol industry has so many people hoodwinked into thinking alcohol is ok for you...but is it?.

My Masters Thesis was titled "Drugs and Students"...and my conclusion was this:

Anything done in "moderation" is not harmful.

"Moderation" never seems to get discussed when the topics of alcohol or pot are brought up.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: Observer177, 1/12/2014 4:55:24 PM     (No. 9689524)

Faith and Reason--

So, let me get this straight.

The scientists who created, administered, and interpreted the results of a major, 25 year’s long study, in which they closely followed the lives and history of and periodically interviewed and tested 1,037 people from birth to age 38; an effort that might well be the major, the most important achievement of their whole scientific careers, a research effort that might also possibly consume 50% or more of their entire working careers as scientists have gotten it wrong, and you and others have gotten it right?

Is that it?

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Reply 55 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 1/12/2014 5:07:57 PM     (No. 9689529)

#40 is correct about pot being far stronger today than it was, for example, around 1969. A 1969 joint could be shared between two people, leaving a nice buzz for both. Roll on (pun intended) to, say, 1972 and more expensive Columbian pot was taking over from the cheap Mexican stuff (which was selling for $7-10 a lid (ounce). Yes, there was Maui Wowee and Acapulco Gold and Panama Red, but nothing as strong as Columbian (at the time). A smoker needed only a toke or two to get the same comparatively mild effect as before--but how many stopped at that? Very few.

Like Bill Buckley (see link below), I´m in favor of legalizing and taxing the stuff, just as is done for alcohol. (I saved the NRO issue and it´s somewhere in my clutter.) I´m also in favor of limiting the THC content, as is done for alcoholic content. And I think the manufacturers should be regulated just as breweries and distilleries are.

This link takes you to an article about Buckley´s original 1995 article, "The War on Drugs is Lost." (Could have sworn it was earlier than 1996.)


Couldn´t find a link to the original. However, Buckley wrote a short, pertinent piece in 2004:


I also came across a piece by Conrad Black and include it here because he´s a favorite writer:


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Reply 56 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 1/12/2014 5:33:14 PM     (No. 9689541)

Nothing like a pot legalization article to get the big government Republicans out. Gov´t REALLY is the answer to all of our problems if it just operates the way that you think it should. (Sarcasm/off)

Anything that moves, gov´t inherently has the right to supervise/tax/whatever - just couch it in terms of it being for the good of all. Now defend the end result. Being a dem is so easy - just turn off your critical thinking (unless the evil weed has destroyed it already!)

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Reply 57 - Posted by: Pansophic, 1/12/2014 5:35:16 PM     (No. 9689542)

Bill Bennett, John Walters and Michael Savage have cogent arguments against marijuana use. Listen and read.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 1/12/2014 5:45:14 PM     (No. 9689547)

One last thought - if the Republicans were truly consistent in their espoused values and ideals and consistently exhibited that action - for small gov´t and liberty, I don´t think we´d ever lose an election. However, too many Republicans just want the power of big gov´t for their sacred cows and that scares some people (especially lo fo´s). And last I checked, their vote counts just as much as mine. Just sayin´. Me? I´ve never seen a dem worth voting for, but I wish I didn´t have to hold my nose so often when I check the R box. So how many of you L dotters would sit at home on election day and not vote for the R candidate if they favored legalization?

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Reply 59 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 1/12/2014 5:59:04 PM     (No. 9689561)

´Unlike pot and alcohol, tobacco has no socially redeeming value; used properly, it is a killer.´

The WaPo writer is an idiot. Tobacco and exports made the United States wealthy. European craving for tobacco was so strong that our economy flourished, and they didn´t smoke it, for the most part. It was quite socially used, especially in Royal Courts, as evidenced by the highly collectable "Snuff Boxes" of the day.

Most people think Heroin is the most dangerous drug to withdraw from, which is not true. While Meth withdrawl is far worse than Heroin, neither will kill the victim. There is only one substance which can kill during withdrawl, and that´s alcohol. It´s frequent that highly intoxicated alcoholics die in the hospital.

Pot is deceptively vicious. Potheads will claim "studies" that "disprove" it´s a "Gateway Drug." Truth is, every abuser has at one time used pot. Every individual has a "substance of choice," whether pain killers, amphetmaines, barbituates, halucinogens, opiates, alcohol, etc., any of which can be a "gateway" to other substances. The real issue is the moral weakness and mental insecurity that causes a person to lean on any substance as a "crutch."

There is also evidence that sustained use of pot can do genetic damage. Alcohol/Nicotine/Caffeine will not do that!

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Reply 60 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 1/12/2014 6:05:10 PM     (No. 9689564)

Cartels will always offer cheaper pot than that sold legally. That´s true of anything regulated by government (Prohibition in reverse). So now, when caught with "cartel pot," the government is going to prosecute based on posession of, "un-regualted (not government sanctioned) marijuana?"

How vile is that when our government has effectively become a "drug pusher" destroying lives?

And oh yes, what about the airplane pilot who unwittingly eats a couple of pot-laced brownies and flies you into a rough weather landing?

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Reply 61 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 1/12/2014 6:08:23 PM     (No. 9689565)

Good post, #28, and I agree. The lefty elites always want the libertine way for themselves and the lower classes just want whatever makes them feel good...pills, pot, promiscuity.

The Democrat way...whatever is the easiest way with the least responsibility.

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Reply 62 - Posted by: Gallo3, 1/12/2014 6:17:56 PM     (No. 9689573)

Cigarettes and booze kill thousands of people per year and are legal.
Weed is illegal, because we are ´afraid´ something bad MIGHT happen? Negroes and Jazz?
What crap.

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Reply 63 - Posted by: lagniappe, 1/12/2014 6:19:59 PM     (No. 9689578)

Urine Drug Test can detect marijuana use for up to 2 weeks, much longer than most other drugs or alcohol. Alcohol´s approximate detection time is 12-24 hours.

Marijuana, unlike most other drugs, is fat soluble rather than water soluble. This allows delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) to be stored in the body´s fat cells. (organs that contain the most fat are the brain and reproductive organs.)

Some people are more prone to develop an addiction than others. Addiction is a "bio/psycho/social/spiritual" condition and is more complicated than substance use alone. Pot use strongly increases the chance of relapse for anyone recovering from alcohol, cocaine, heroin or prescription drug use.

Ambition is a key job skill. How does pot affect ambition, huh? .

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Reply 64 - Posted by: alaskaal, 1/12/2014 6:34:00 PM     (No. 9689588)

Flawed studies, recollections, opinions and anecdotal evidence. Perhaps the proper questions are being asked, but winging alarmist opinions don´t garner any credibility. These people have been smoking pot for years and now, suddenly, some huge society shift will take place because it is legal? I doubt it.

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Reply 65 - Posted by: wsdiego, 1/12/2014 7:43:41 PM     (No. 9689634)

I believe the visuals seen in regards to pot and how people act is "monkey see monkey do"! In other words you act the way people expect you to act or as the observer you read into what you think you should see!

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Reply 66 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 1/12/2014 8:58:52 PM     (No. 9689696)

Reply 54 Observer177 wrote:

"So, let me get this straight.

The scientists... have gotten it wrong, and you and others have gotten it right?

Is that it?"

If they claim their results are "settled science," they are wrong. The statistical analysis of their data by peer review revealed that demographic differences were sufficient to explain all of the difference in the IQ test results.

I repeat - the later analysis used the same data.

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Reply 67 - Posted by: 4justice, 1/12/2014 10:50:14 PM     (No. 9689779)

Yes, pot is bad for your body and brain...yes, alcohol destroys more lives than any other drug...Yes, heroin is terribly addictive...But, why do people think that there will suddenly be a surge of more addicts if you decriminalize any of them? A certain percentage will always self-medicate and others won´t. It has very little to do with legality and more to do with other dysfunctions in our society. Making something illegal just creates more "criminals" and more money for the "justice" system. Legal problems destroy more lives than the drugs themselves. But folks here seem to want government intruding on every aspect of our lives. Don´t let pilots smoke pot or drink. That is a given. Don´t let people drive impaired--nothing has changed there. A lot of people out there now are already functioning addicts. You just don´t know it.

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Reply 68 - Posted by: grundoon, 1/13/2014 12:10:49 AM     (No. 9689820)

I used to work for a high tech employer who could not afford to have fuzzy thinking/reacting "under the influence" employees at work, therefore instituted random drug/alcohol tests including one at hiring. If Colorado and Washington employers do this it will significantly cut into the weed usage since even weekend use will show up in a test days later--resulting in days off work and eventual termination upon repeat offenses.

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Reply 69 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 1/13/2014 9:23:34 AM     (No. 9690085)

Marijuana is bad. I don´t like it.

So lets put anyone who uses it in jail.

Lets militarize our police and encourage them to use "No-Knock" warrants, lest evidence get flushed away.

Lets continue to support South American drug cartels.

I find this to be a very discouraging thread. Some bunch of "conservatives". You guys sound just as controlling as the libs; you just want to put different people in jail than they do...

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Reply 70 - Posted by: pete moss, 1/13/2014 10:25:36 AM     (No. 9690160)

I wonder if Obama still smokes pot.

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Reply 71 - Posted by: Lucyloo, 1/13/2014 10:34:36 AM     (No. 9690168)

Pot has ruined my son´s life. He went from a straight A, Eagle Scout, superb athlete, top rated university attending young man to a depressed, unmotivated and perpetually stoned adult. Can´t agree more with the author.

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Reply 72 - Posted by: Skeptical1, 1/13/2014 11:08:41 AM     (No. 9690199)

I don´t think it´s inconsistent for conservatives to oppose legalization. They value liberty, but differ from libertarians by how much they also value tradition and pragmatism.

Conservatives who oppose legalization can comfort themselves with the thought that, when it comes, it may well be harmful, but at least it expands individual liberty.

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Reply 73 - Posted by: PageTurner, 1/13/2014 6:45:14 PM     (No. 9690708)

As much as I oppose the legalization of pot, I do favor states´ rights and do see states as the laboratory of democracy. So if Colorado wants to legalize pot, let ´em. Let the country see what a seedy, rundown, crime-infested, non-productive, giant welfare and rehab case the state will end up as. The stoned drivers, the lowlife dropping their pot cookies for toddlers, the pot-stench haze drifting into childrens´ nurseries and playgrounds, the massive public medical bills, the soaring cost of Obamacare insurance for everyone in the state (remember: Obamacare REQUIRES pot rehab as part of all its plans) that all of these perpetrators will get away with. There will also be the increased spray shootings from schizoids who triggered their conditions based on high pot use in youth, the cartels setting up bases of operation and spray shooting as well as beheading each other and leaving bodies dangling over the bridges. Let it all happen, and let all the states who have not opted to go Colorado´s route take note.

Pot legalization and de facto legalization have happened in places like Alaska, Netherlands, Zurich - and in each and every case, it´s been reversed because the locals couldn´t stand their states becoming sewage pits for stoned out human garbage. Colorado thinks it´s different and human nature does not apply. Let it learn the hard way then and let the rest of the states stand by and take notice.

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Townhall, by Guy Benson    Original Article
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President Obama addressed the White House press corps today, announcing that with the final numbers in, Obamacare´s exchanges have attracted eight million sign-ups -- 35 percent of whom are "under the age of 35," he said. Several elements of his comments were misleading: (1) At first blush, the 35 percent stat is both significant and impressive. As recently as last month, the share of "young invincibles" signing up for plans was struggling in the 25 percent range, far short of the actuarial target of nearly 40 percent. A leap into the mid-30´s, while still shy of the goal, would constitute a major step, and would bode well for the risk pools'

The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM     Post Reply
It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

White House blames fox for
destroying Michelle’s garden

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Daily Caller, by Vince Coglianese    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:59:04 PM     Post Reply
The White House is going to war with another fox — and this time, it’s personal. The Wall Street Journal reports that a red fox has been causing chaos around the White House, tripping security alarms, digging up Michelle’s garden and distracting the president from his duties. The Secret Service won’t give any details about how often the fox trips the White House’s obviously sophisticated security alarms, but rest assured, officials say, they’re watching. President Obama was apparently “stunned” to see the fox roaming freely down the oft-photographed White House colonnade, home to the world’s shortest, but most dramatic, outdoor strolls. The bushy-tailed visitor

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Living in the New York Times World
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American Thinker, by J. Paul Masko    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/19/2014 7:48:36 AM     Post Reply
I began reading the entirety of the first section of the New York Times at nine years old, and continued that practice, more or less, for decades.(snip) ...the power of reverence, intrinsic to what I call the “cascade” of The Times: the near avalanche-like flow and distribution of information through electronic and print networks: through like-minded network newscasts, magazines, local newspaper s, blogs, daytime talk TV, late-night entertainment, statements at media award ceremonies, the celebrity Twitterverse, etc. The cascade rolls through Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, The New Yorker, the mouths of third-grade teachers, Elmo, Madonna and Susan Sarandon …through

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

Harry Reid Doubles Down on Bundy
Ranch: ´If They´re Patriots, We´re
in Big Trouble´

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Breitbart Big Government, by Kerry Picket    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 9:39:40 PM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Friday stood by his statement regarding embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, saying on KSNV’s What’s Your Point?, “If anyone thinks by any figment of their imagination that what happened up there last week was just people rallying to somebody that was oppressed, 600 people came in armed. They had practiced. They had maneuvered.” Reid continued, “They knew what they were doing. They set up snipers in strategic locations with sniper rifles. They had assault weapons. They had automatic weapons. And they boasted about the fact that they put women and children, in fact one

In a Hole, Golf Considers
Digging a Wider One

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New York Times, by Bill Pennington    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/19/2014 10:48:33 AM     Post Reply
GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

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