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Daily pot tied to age of first
psychotic episode

Reuters, by Benjamin Stix

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Posted By:BaseballFan, 1/11/2014 12:33:28 PM

In a study of adults who experienced psychosis for the first time, having smoked marijuana daily was linked to an earlier age of onset of the disorder, according to UK researchers. "This is not a study about the association between cannabis and psychosis, but about the association between specific patterns of cannabis use . . . and an earlier onset of psychotic disorders," Dr. Marta Di Forti, who led the research at the Institute of Psychiatry at Kings College, said in an email. (Snip) Psychosis is a general term for a loss of reality, and is associated with several psychiatric

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Reply 1 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/11/2014 12:44:47 PM     (No. 9688287)

No worse than ALCOHOL. As a matter of fact ALCOHOL is WORSE than pot. There I took care of it.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: littleorby, 1/11/2014 12:55:44 PM     (No. 9688303)

The habitual drug users, which includes pot, cocaine, prescription drugs, and alcohol, whom I´ve had close contact with, have one thing in common, and that is, they´re afraid they can´t measure up without drugs; therefore, they´re afraid NOT to take the stimulants: In short, they´re afraid to be themselves.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: patpgmr, 1/11/2014 1:09:41 PM     (No. 9688318)

#1, I´m sure you want to believe that. Even if it´s true (and nobody really knows), it is negligent to say that pot is harmless. There are many reasons to believe that it can cause permanent damage to adolescents and young adults, who have not yet reached full brain maturity. Question: Why add another brain altering chemical to everyday life?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 1/11/2014 1:10:54 PM     (No. 9688320)

Re: the alcohol comparison.

Yes, alcohol has long been known as an ill (when abused) to society.

So I ask: Then why must we add to society´s ills by adding (legalizing) another problem?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/11/2014 1:22:33 PM     (No. 9688331)

I hate the whole thing about legalizing marijuana. There is nothing to be gained by doing so and we don´t even know yet how much there is to lose. I always hated the phrase "recreational drugs", because the implication was that drugs, especially the illegal ones, are for fun. Messing with your body and your brain to have fun is not something normal and sensible people want to do.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/11/2014 1:22:39 PM     (No. 9688332)

I can make this plain and simple. My son is dead. Started with pot, when it wasn´t enough he added alcohol. 4 times in rehabs, each time the counselors referred to pot as the "gateway" drug. They should know. 20 years of pot and alcohol use, and now my son is dead.
Potheads are in denial, they can´t think straight. They suffer from arrested development of the brain. Start smoking at 15, be stuck through life as a 15 year old.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: jinx, 1/11/2014 1:27:05 PM     (No. 9688335)

Maybe this explains Obama´s delusions of who he is and where he was born and why he lies so much.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: philly_patriot, 1/11/2014 1:32:03 PM     (No. 9688343)

What is wrong with there liberal Legislatures in these states?

I guess they can´t read any of the reports of brain damage to young people.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: bedub, 1/11/2014 1:42:53 PM     (No. 9688353)

#6, I am so sad for you and your family. My son started smoking in high school. His psychotic break happened in early 20´s. Fortunately he had enough brain cells left and enough motivation to succeed, he is now 31 and will graduate with a degree in elec engineering in one year. Drug/alcohol free for many years, but certainly not chemical-free; the anti-psychotic drugs have given him his life back but at a cost (financially and side effects). I don´t really know if he´ll be able to hold a job. Whenever I read an article about a young adult living with his mother and kills her, hair on back of my neck stands up....I KNOW.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/11/2014 1:43:18 PM     (No. 9688354)

I am so sorry to hear that, #6. You clearly speak from sad experience.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Observer177, 1/11/2014 1:51:32 PM     (No. 9688364)

A recent report published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, about a 25 year long New Zealand study that followed 1,037 people from birth to age 38, found that those subjects who were heavy pot smokers-- especially those who started in their grade school and high school years--suffered noticeable, significant, and irreversible losses of as many as eight I.Q. points (in someone who originally tested with an average I.Q. of 100 this eight point loss would move them down from the 50th percentile to the 29th), showed evidence of broad “neuropsychological decline,” and also suffered a higher incidence of psychological problems. Those who started heavy marijuana use later in life, say, in their college years, suffered the same declines in I.Q. and cognitive function but, if they stopped using marijuana, had some hope of regaining some or all of their I.Q. and cognitive function losses. Younger, heavy smokers who stopped later on never regained their losses of I.Q. and cognitive function.

There have also been studies showing that marijuana—cigarette for cigarette—has stronger, more harmful carcinogenic effects then tobacco.

Now comes this study, saying that marijuana use makes those with psychoses have this illness manifest itself earlier in these smoker’s lives.

Pot is pure poison, and why anyone would advocate its free and general use—much less a whole state or any government doing so--is beyond me.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 1/11/2014 1:58:31 PM     (No. 9688374)

I am not a pot smoker, but I respect the rights of those who choose to smoke it.

There is evidence that people who are already prone to psychosis use certain drugs and therapies of their own choosing that they feel helps them. The science does not clearly point to pot use as cause rather than symptom of psychotic tendencies. And not all forms of psychosis are significantly dangerous to the patient or to his neighbors.

Finally, the known dangers of marijuana, i.e., prison (including being forcibly sodomized), fines, gang violence, funding for terrorism, etc. are attributable, not to the plant itself, but entirely to the black market arranged by misguided governments.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/11/2014 2:02:44 PM     (No. 9688381)

What is the benefit? Feeling good? There are other ways of getting that feeling without abusing the body and brain. I´m getting ready to generalize here, but so be it. Anyone, ANYONE, who needs alcohol or drugs to feel good is a weak person in need of help.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: mitzi, 1/11/2014 2:04:56 PM     (No. 9688383)

But the evidence has been unclear. For example, one recent study from the Netherlands found it´s equally possible that people prone to psychosis may be more likely to smoke pot, possibly as a way of "self-medicating"

I´ve always wondered: which came first, the chicken or the egg?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Muggins, 1/11/2014 2:21:04 PM     (No. 9688397)

Why does the article highlight this study over the study that comes to a contradictory conclusion? In wake of the corrupt climate change "science" , we should be asking, who´s boss? Who´s providing the money for the studies at universities? There are vested interests, folks in and out of government who make a good living from pot being illegal. You have to follow the money on these studies.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: uponthecouch, 1/11/2014 2:30:49 PM     (No. 9688407)

I´ve had 40 years of experience with potheads: I have seen the daily use, seen the folks grow older, seen their choices, seen a lot of alcoholism too, sometimes same person.

Know what? I say legalize it. The harm from the gangs, smuggling, the Law, the waste on enforcement, we would be better off with it legalized.

Yup some people, especially psycho´s (sorry #6, no disrespect) will use it - legal or not. You can´t blame everything in a person´s life on pot. Or Alcohol!

Obviously both may be contributing factors to various things. I have found that the sometimes the heavier users have lower aspirations than the others. But many heavy users I have known have become successful lawyers, CPA´s, teachers.

I like the idea of letting people be free. Libertarian on this one, and from my extensive things will be OK. It is scary to think of every 7-11 having a wall of pot-packs and you just walk in and say "I´ll take a pack of colombo-gold!" and $20 yer outa there. There will be a huge increase in smoking when it reaches that point.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: janylou, 1/11/2014 2:56:57 PM     (No. 9688437)

I worked with a gal back in the late 70´s whose brother was a habitual pot user and she said it fried his brain. I can´t help but wonder if the increase in children born with autism isn´t linked to pot use by the parents.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: RoanokeStar, 1/11/2014 3:04:40 PM     (No. 9688443)

Had a musician friend long ago who indulged in every kind of drug imaginable for many years - including being a client of the infamous "Dr. Feelgood" - and this friend told me that kicking pot was the hardest of all drugs to give up. He´d even quit smoking regular cigarettes and overcome the nicotine habit, but pot was truly the hardest drug for him to live without. He kicked it by feeding himself teaspoons of honey every time he got shaky and wanted a "hit" - it worked for him, and a few years later he had me doing the same thing for my boss who was hooked on pot as well. It also worked for the boss although after the honey withdrawal symptoms, he switched to bubble gum.

So I say pot is truly bad for the body and brain and I just don´t understand why this sudden push to legalize it!

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Reply 19 - Posted by: franq, 1/11/2014 3:45:43 PM     (No. 9688482)

It´s all going to topple when there aren´t enough sober(or at least functional)people pulling the wagon full of zombies. Pot, Ritalin, booze, you name it...the more you legalize, the more strung-out people you´ll get.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 1/11/2014 5:12:59 PM     (No. 9688550)

All of this is true.

But it is still none of the goobermints damnbidness.

Each of us must be allowed to go to hell in our own fashion.

The alternative is worse.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 1/11/2014 10:27:57 PM     (No. 9688797)

#20 - the problem is, it never works that way - - we end up with a great many people with "fried brains", and it´s the REST of society (the taxpayers) that are forced to take care of them.
Case in point: The Netherlands for decades has never officially legalized marijuana and other ´recreational´ drug use - - but looking the other way in all those years has come at a cost that is far higher than penalizing that drug use.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Trigger2, 1/12/2014 5:10:20 AM     (No. 9688899)

All demonrat run states care about is getting more tax money to waste. They could care less if they turn citizens into psychotics. More tax money is always their first priority.

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