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Ford: ‘We have GPS in your car,
so we know what you’re doing’

Daily Caller, by Giuseppe Macri

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Posted By:StormCnter, 1/10/2014 2:35:09 PM

A top Ford executive made a startling admission about the amount of data the auto maker tracks from its customers at the 2014 Consumer Electronics Show this week. “We know everyone who breaks the law, we know when you’re doing it,” Ford Vice-President Jim Farley told a crowd in Las Vegas during the show. “We have GPS in your car, so we know what you’re doing.” The global marketing and sales division chief was trying to make a larger point about the amount of real-time data Ford has on drivers that could be used in the future to alleviate problems

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 1/10/2014 2:44:40 PM     (No. 9687183)

Traffic congestion? So if highways are congested before you leave home, does it prevent your car from starting?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Submariner, 1/10/2014 2:46:01 PM     (No. 9687184)

Peter principle. On another note, I´d trust Ford before Progressive Insurance with their tracking device.

Still, it´s getting more tempting to turn the cell phone off and leave it off.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Sheepfarmer, 1/10/2014 2:48:23 PM     (No. 9687190)

This is just creepy. I´m glad my 10-year-old car doesn´t have a GPS.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Penney, 1/10/2014 2:51:39 PM     (No. 9687194)

GPS, ...BUT Ford still apparently can´t fulfill its promise of a workable voice navigation Sync system which their customers of the past couple years have already paid for?!

´´Buyer beware!´´

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Grady, 1/10/2014 2:53:40 PM     (No. 9687196)

How about you just focus building a better American car.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: slab, 1/10/2014 2:56:57 PM     (No. 9687197)

Some enterprising divorce lawyer will sue for access in 3..2..1..

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bighambone, 1/10/2014 3:07:09 PM     (No. 9687204)

How about just buying a portable GPS receiver and then only using it in your automobile when you really need it like on long vacation trips?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/10/2014 3:10:41 PM     (No. 9687207)

I guarantee you that a FORD will never see the inside of my garage.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: rarebear, 1/10/2014 3:29:53 PM     (No. 9687222)

Have we lost the ability to read a simple highway map, such that we actually need a GPS? I swear, the farther technology advances, the dumber we become.
And speaking of dumb, Ford Vice President Jim Farley, you are the Joe Biden of customer relations. Idiot!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: billp, 1/10/2014 3:30:32 PM     (No. 9687223)

This may be an indication of just how much out of touch some of the folks really are. In what world would it be okay for some stranger at the head of a large organization to say, ´we have the means to watch,´ so "we know what you´re doing?" I used to think most Americans had some expectation of privacy most of the time, so long as someone else wasn´t with you. Now the apparently just watch, listen or read everything.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: thethirdruffian, 1/10/2014 3:35:40 PM     (No. 9687228)

Yet another reason I drive an old car.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 1/10/2014 3:36:47 PM     (No. 9687230)

have you forgotten the DOT mandate for ´black boxes´ of this sort to be installed in ALL new vehicles staring in about a year, if memory serves? You really think that´s different? You really think that on-line GPS can´t be 2-way? or on-star? or anything else of the sort? what of those who have the bluetooth connection to your cellphone? have you forgotten that so long as you even have a switched-on cellphone in the car, your movements can be - are perhaps are - being tracked right now?
I didn´t think "1984" was supposed to be an instruction manual for the Big Brother types.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: offrope, 1/10/2014 3:36:47 PM     (No. 9687229)

I see a business opportunity disconnecting GPS devices in Fords.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: JimS, 1/10/2014 3:43:11 PM     (No. 9687235)

Great sales pitch, James Farley.
You just sold me on buying a Toyota truck

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Reply 15 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 1/10/2014 4:00:47 PM     (No. 9687250)

Give me a break # 8 and # 14. Ford isn´t doing any of this because it wants to. It´s all government mandated. And if you think your goofy Toyota is above the fray and will be able to be non-compliant with its cars sold here, I have a bridge to sell you.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: P51DMustang, 1/10/2014 4:11:46 PM     (No. 9687258)

Well Ford is not the only brand with access to your proprietary information, all the brands have tracking features in autos made from 2005 on. If its not GPS, ita the micro-chip that runs the functions of your auto.

Now we know auto manufacturers are not all that altruistic, so way this tracking function?

Why you ask, so Federal, State, and local governments can tax you for road use per mile. The taxpayers of this nation have bought and paid 10 fold the cost and maintenance of Highways and roads with Fed & State Tax on Fuel. But the government needs more, always more taxpayer money to pay for unfunded federal pensions, salaries, vacations and the list can go on ad infinitum.

This tax is coming unless we tell the feds to stop spying on us and anything downloaded from those chips are proprietary and belongs to the owner. A search warrant must be issued, and the IRS has no jurisdiction in chip information.



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Reply 17 - Posted by: 4Justice, 1/10/2014 4:29:28 PM     (No. 9687275)

I just asked my friend if he knows how to find and disconnect those. He said "yes". I said "good" I do not want anyone watching, following, or knowing anything about me. If I buy a newer car, that will be the first thing I do...look for those pieces of intrusive technology and disconnect them. I did NOT sign up to be part of a totalitarian tyranny. I am an American as my country was intended by our Founders....I am not a New World Order baby.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Clinger, 1/10/2014 4:31:08 PM     (No. 9687277)

I wonder what it would take to get all the signals to indicate every solitary one is descending on Wash DC? I suppose that´s one way to find out if there really are black helicopters as well as stimulate the economy with the popcorn sales.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: mc squared, 1/10/2014 4:56:45 PM     (No. 9687304)

Why do people think that Ford is the only company doing this? It has been mandated by by the Feds. Eventually your 10 yr old car will die and you´ll be faced with this issue.

How many of you are driving around with an EZ pass or a SunPass on your windshield? There are sensors all over highways checking where you´ve been even though they´re not debiting your account. You can Google it.
Put it in an aluminum foil pouch in the glove box.

What I want to do now is find out how to hack it and destroy the data.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: joew9, 1/10/2014 5:05:27 PM     (No. 9687315)

There´s a lot of technological problems I have with his statement. I think he was just being frivolous. And he might actually be uninformed about the practicalities of the system can do. My bosses do not understand what I do and they often misscharacterize it in ways that makes me cringe.

1. How much data can be stored? Non-volatile memory costs money and automotive qualified non-volatile memory is really expensive. Thus I would assume that it can only store the last 15 or 30 minutes of data.

2. How can they get the data? The word transmit was used. How? There is no cell phone built into the car. The car does not commandeer the cell phone in my pocket and place a long data call even if I am using bluetooth. The only way I see is when you take it in for service the dealer can download the last 15 or 30 minutes of data.

3. Where does Ford store all this data? The phone companies didn´t want to store their LUDs indefinitely for a possible eventual NSA warrant so they began providing it to the NSA´s data storage facilities while purging the phone companies disks after about a year or so for reuse. Storing large amounts of data long term is expensive.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Penney, 1/10/2014 5:06:22 PM     (No. 9687317)

We rely on our trusty Garmin, plus, as ALWAYS, take our reg. road maps with us when we travel. ´A good scout is always prepared.´ We loved our trouble-free ´92 Explorer, then our wonderful ´02 Mountaineer!!! We drove each of those for ten years with no problems. But our latest purchase has been more trouble regarding the navigation system in 2 yrs. than those previous purchases were overall in 20 yrs.!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: texaspast, 1/10/2014 5:10:00 PM     (No. 9687321)

Maps are much more reliable. I know women can´t read them, but hey - there´s got to be SOME use for a man! BTW - the Roads of Texas atlas originally done by Texas A&M but now done by Mapsco (at half the price) is invaluable! It shows every little track of a road in the state. Beats the heck out of GPS.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/10/2014 5:16:03 PM     (No. 9687335)

Amen, #23. I update my Roads of Texas every time a new one comes out. But, they are distressingly large, hard to tuck into the back seat car pocket.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 1/10/2014 5:21:19 PM     (No. 9687345)

I have the location software on my phone turned off and use an anonymous browser on the web. I am an old guy and don´t even look at the porn sites (anymore). I am also not planning to overthrow the government but I don´t like all this tracking. I know it´s mostly for marketing but I have seen what this outlaw administration has done so far and don´t trust them on anything. They will figure out a way to use tracking info against law abiding citizens who disagree with them.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: youngtexan, 1/10/2014 5:31:47 PM     (No. 9687361)

I don´t have a gps in my car.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: 3XALADY, 1/10/2014 5:46:54 PM     (No. 9687382)

I demand to know how #23 knows I can´t read a map. Has he been talking to my DH??!

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Gram77, 1/10/2014 6:47:03 PM     (No. 9687449)

If the government wants to follow me around then have at it. The following is what they will see: trip to church, to the hair dresser, to Wal-Mart, Books-A-Million, Bob Evans, oh yeah, and the doctor. Wonder what they will make of all that?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: franq, 1/10/2014 6:49:36 PM     (No. 9687452)

Uh-hungh.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 1/10/2014 7:34:21 PM     (No. 9687508)

Prepare to be bored Ford.
It´s bad enough your auto insurance is based on everything but your driving record, now they can have direct access to your GPS through sharing.
Yet, if you have nothing but the gov supporting you, they must honor your privacy.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: ArtieC, 1/10/2014 7:58:03 PM     (No. 9687522)

Why would Ford be interested in what people are doing and where they go? All you people who sang the praises of Ford for not taking a bailout, how do you like ´em now?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 1/10/2014 10:09:04 PM     (No. 9687597)

and how long until the functionality of these devices - and perhaps a record download - is an item on your annual vehicle inspection?
We already have devices, some mounted in fixed locations, others mounted on mobile units, that ARE reading and recording your license plate info, along with location and date and time. It´s conceivable that your data could be read as you passed a sensor array, and might also be REQUIRED to be made available to police in the event of traffic stops. Or even a roadblock. Before you object, recall the current "requests" for DNA swabs. Or the line about "driving is a privilege, not a right".
Government and the agents thereof have become a "they".


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Reply 32 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 1/10/2014 10:34:56 PM     (No. 9687608)

GPS must have an antenna that´s in line of sight to at least 3 satellites. It must therefore either be under the dash, or back glass. So, find it, disconnect it, or wrap it with aluminum foil or copper tape.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: larryp, 1/10/2014 11:47:40 PM     (No. 9687641)

buy a Thomas guide and a magnifier

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Reply 34 - Posted by: M Stuart, 1/11/2014 2:36:24 PM     (No. 9688410)

Is there anyone on this site who doesn´t know that "they" can turn on the smartphone microphone & listen to it even when it is turned off? Plus the GPS is always on so 0bama can get in touch with us during an "emergency" or "for 911 calls".

Maybe you think nobody cares where you go, but don´t get involved in politics or rallies because they can use metadata to find out who is where.

I would NEVER have OnStar in a vehicle of mine even though it´s free for the first year & lots of fun when you´re traveling. (Friend had one)

Put your cell phone in the fruitcake tin and don´t be predictable. Your phone will think it´s in a dead spot & pick up when you make it available again.

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WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
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Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Ann Coulter takes up ‘Mitt
Romney for President’ chant again

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
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Conservative columnist Ann Coulter — who used her talk show platform in the last presidential election cycle to campaign hard for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney — has taken up the mantra once again, calling on Republicans to give the failed White House bidder another shot in 2016. She made the suggestion during a discussion on Sean Hannity’s radio show while speaking of her new book, “Never Trust a Liberal Over 3-Especially a Republican.” Ms. Coulter also addressed the question of Mr. Romney’s shortcomings by saying that his 2012 loss wasn’t entirely his fault. “I think too much blame, not only in this

You lie! Reporters accuse Obama
of deception, demagoguery just
to get attention

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
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Prominent Washington correspondents are accusing President Obama and his aides of knowingly stretching the truth on issues like the so-called women´s pay gap just to create controversy and keep issues -- and the president -- relevant. Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus kicked off the attack last week when she blasted as “demagoguery” the administration´s tactics during the pay gap debate. “The level of hyperbole -- actually, of demagoguery -- that Democrats have engaged in here is revolting,” she wrote. CBS White House Correspondent Major Garrett then weighed in this week in his National Journal

Clintons celebrate Chelsea’s
pregnancy announcement

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New York Post, by Stephanie Smith    Original Article
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The Clintons had a busy night of celebrations after Chelsea announced she and husband Marc Mezvinsky are expecting a baby. Bill joined “House of Cards” star Kevin Spacey at the Revlon Rainforest Fund Benefit Concert at Carnegie Hall Thursday, joking of Spacey’s Machiavellian character, “When I was president people accused me of murder all the time, made a show of investigating. Spacey’s president for 15 minutes and he gets away with murder.” Spacey, who sang during the event with Sting, Stephen Stills and James Taylor, also showed off his Johnny Carson impression, taking a swipe at the coverage of Flight

White House asks American parents to
monitor their children for signs of terrorism

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Daily Caller, by Eric Owens    Original Article
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In a speech earlier this week, Lisa O. Monaco, President Barack Obama’s assistant for homeland security and counterterrorism, insisted that American parents must be vigilant because their “confrontational” children could be on the verge of becoming terrorists. Monaco’s full, prepared text is available here. She presented the speech, entitled “Countering Violent Extremism and the Power of Community,” at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government on April 15. Monaco began her remarks by eloquently describing the lives tragically lost last year during the Boston Marathon bombings. Interestingly, the Harvard grad failed to mention the religion or the motive of brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan


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