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Jahi McMath case: Brain-dead girl in
´very bad shape´ after transfer

Los Angeles Times, by Staff

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Posted By:earlybird, 1/8/2014 10:00:07 AM

The attorney for the family of Jahi McMath, the brain-dead 13-year-old girl at the center of a legal controversy, says her body has deteriorated to the point that "we don´t know if she´s going to make it."(Snip)Bodies of the brain-dead have been maintained on respirators for months or, in rare cases, years. However, once cessation of all brain activity is confirmed, there is no recovery, Rebecca S. Dresser, professor of law and ethics in medicine at Washington University in St. Louis, told The Times. Dresser also served on a presidential bioethics council that in 2008 reaffirmed "whole-brain death" as legal

I would expect so, Mr. Dolan. She has been dead since December 12. Trial attorney Dolan perpetuates the myth that one with total brain death (including the brain stem) is still alive because machines are keeping their heart and lungs going.

No one has figured out how to bring a brain back to life. Without circulation the brain cells die and the brain liquifies.

In another article just posted, it is revealed that McMath attorney Dolan has been president and is now a board member of Consumer Attorneys of California, the prime group funding the ballot initiative to lift the limit on


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Reply 1 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/8/2014 10:02:32 AM     (No. 9684068)

Now attorney Dolan has to hammer away that the "deterioration" occurred because the Oakland Children´s Hospital stopped feeding this girl´s corpse after her brain totally died.

He is despicable. Taking advantage of the emotions of a grieving family. Prolonging their pain.

And raising money.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 1/8/2014 10:23:45 AM     (No. 9684111)

Thirteen is probably way too young to have in place a Health Care Power of Attorney, but I hope those of us who are of an age to fully understand it, make our wishes known in writing so there will be no guess work on the part of those we leave beind.

I hope if I was ever faced with making the decision for a loved one who didn´t have a HCPA in place, I would not let emotions get in the way of common sense.

I can not presume to judge the parents of this poor child, but I do pray they are not being led and/or steered by the unethical and money grubbing --of which there is no lack.

I hope they find peace.

According to the vast majority of Conservatives/Christians, I was on the wrong side of the Terry Schiavo [sp?] issue when that national nightmare occurred. I never understood people who wanted to keep that poor woman on life support. But then again, I´ve never had to face letting a loved one go under those circumstances, so what do I know?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Susannah, 1/8/2014 10:23:49 AM     (No. 9684112)

Of course she´s in bad shape. She´s been decomposing for almost a month.

The family and the lawyer should get their stories straight. Jahi´s grandmother said that the girl looked "glowing and healthy" when she left the hospital. Her uncle said she smiled.

Dolan is clearly gearing up to sue the hospital for negligence.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: farmwife, 1/8/2014 10:47:14 AM     (No. 9684160)

The hospital bungled this. If they had shown a little more compassion, it wouldn´t have come to this.

And they may be at least partially to blame for a 13 year old girl in for a tonsillectomy dying. I do think they immediately went into a CYA mode on this one.

My heart does go out to this family, but I believe they are not prolonging her life, they are prolonging her dying. Who knows what they would do in this situation?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: farmwife, 1/8/2014 10:49:15 AM     (No. 9684166)

All that said, I do believe that we are headed into a time where life and death decisions will not be made by families and doctors, but by cold faceless paper pushers, as dispassionate as the posters above.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 1/8/2014 10:56:21 AM     (No. 9684175)

The girl didn´t have a tonsillectomy.

If the OP still has the links to the articles that she posted a few days back, she might post them for you so that you can read for yourself just what the surgery entailed. No way could it be considered a tonsillectomy. That´s a fraud the media is putting out in order to gin up sympathy for the multi-million dollar lawsuit in the works.

Without the links that the OP posted, I would still be wondering how something as simple as a tonsillectomy --day surgery in most cases, could have gone so wrong.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/8/2014 11:25:10 AM     (No. 9684240)

Re #5 and others who continue to call her surgery "a routine tonsillectomy" or "a simple tonsillectomy" - and don´t read the good info that has been posted here - here, once again, is an excellent analysis written by a former RN who actually studied this case and read all the court papers:

An excerpt:

From CHO’s attorney’s response court filings on December 20, we learned that Jahi had not had a simple tonsillectomy, but actually several invasive procedures to open up her upper airway. She’d undergone an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty, and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates. In laymen’s terms, her tonsils and adenoids had been surgically removed from the back of her throat, her uvula (that thing hanging down at the back of your throat) and soft palate removed or remodeled, and excess soft tissue removed from the back of her nose. These tissues are very fragile and highly vascular, meaning they can bleed a lot, as anyone who has had a nosebleed can testify to. We learned via local media that the teen had recently been given the privilege of taking the bus to nearby Berkeley to get her favorite treat from an ice cream shop: a snickerdoodle ice cream sandwich with vanilla ice cream, despite weight being a huge factor in obstructive sleep apnea.


Perpetuating untruths is sloppy or even irresponsible. Not what I´d expect of LDotters.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/8/2014 11:27:37 AM     (No. 9684243)

PS. The fact that she was hospitalized in ICU where she did not hemorrhage for three days after her surgery should tell even an amateur that this was not "a simple tonsillectomy" which is usually day surgery.

This was a complex surgery and, according to the article linked in my last Reply, the family did not follow the post-surgical rules. They had her talking and eating popsicles when the rules said "no".

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Emerson, 1/8/2014 11:30:47 AM     (No. 9684249)

The family would have known she was dead if she had not been hooked up to a ventilator at their request because they did not want her to "die" before Christmas. That started this whole mess.

She was gone December 12!!!

Once she was on the ventilator they took the mechanical body signs that the ventilator created as signs that she was somehow "alive". She was not.

And attorney Dolan got into the act.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Susannah, 1/8/2014 11:34:42 AM     (No. 9684258)

To the documents the OP has provided, let me add this affadavit filed by the pediatric critical care specialist who examined Jahi´s body. Warning: Graphic.


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Reply 11 - Posted by: mossley, 1/8/2014 11:37:01 AM     (No. 9684263)

For the sake of justice, let´s all hope #5 isn´t on the jury if this ever goes to court.

You´ve only heard the family´s side of the story because the family refuses to let the hospital talk. There´s a reason for that - the family has been lying non-stop to the press. She didn´t have a tonsillectomy, but multiple serious operations. She had preexisting conditions, including a family history of clotting disorders which they didn´t bother telling the doctors. The family ignored post-op instructions.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: farmwife, 1/8/2014 11:40:17 AM     (No. 9684272)

My apologies. I had not read much of what is posted. I stand corrected.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Redneck In NY, 1/8/2014 11:46:56 AM     (No. 9684283)

For the sake of compassion and humanity, lets hope the majority of posters don´t have this happen to them. Good lord people, this is someones little girl. That most of you can refer to her as a corpse, or describe her failing body in such cold, clinical terms is depressing.

I can empathize with the family totally. I too, could not just pull the plug and give up like so many of you would. I would try everything, anything, to bring back my child.

And spare me the medical textbook definitions and doctor speak. I get it, your wayyy smarter than me. But I believe in miracles, especially when chirldren are involved.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: M Stuart, 1/8/2014 11:47:49 AM     (No. 9684285)

That was convincing #11. Thanks.

I think hospital bungled this.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/8/2014 11:57:54 AM     (No. 9684306)

If there are any doubts left, read the pdf affidavit at #11. And no, the hospital bungled nothing. All they did was try to comply with the family´s wishes, hooked her up to a ventilator to get the family past the Christmas celebration they threw in her room, and then let her go. But the family had lawyered up.

There are strong indications that the family´s disregarding Jahi´s post-surgical restrictions and urging her to talk may have caused her fatal hemorrhage which resulted in cardiac arrest and brain death. Total brain death.

Her deterioration began on December 12 when her total brain died.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 1/8/2014 12:12:21 PM     (No. 9684335)

Re #14, decades ago I lost my 2-1/2 year old stepson when his careless mother let a dog-dug hole under her swimming pool fencing go unrepaired and this sweet baby drowned. Total brain death. Nothing could have brought him back. And hooking him up to a ventilator would have been an abomination.

Children do die. And they cannot stay. That is God´s will.

Please do not preach when you don´t know your audience.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: mickturn, 1/8/2014 12:13:28 PM     (No. 9684338)

Hmmmmm, at some point isn´t this abuse of a Cadaver?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: The Advocate, 1/8/2014 12:14:11 PM     (No. 9684340)

Thanks 11.
Dr. Flori clearly states the girl is dead by all accounts in her Affidavit.
Fundraising by Trial Lawyers to overturn Cap on Pain and Suffering is despicable.
Howard Dean stated that Obamacare did not limit Tort claims because they are major Dem contributors.
Without tort reform, medical costs and malpractice will continue to rise.
Obamacare and this case are both designed for Dem Trial Lawyers- not health CARE.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 1/8/2014 12:34:57 PM     (No. 9684362)

Among ´non-scientific´ types there is often a notion that medical miracles are available if only the doctors ´care´ enough and if enough budget is available.

I will avoid dragging race into this debate but.....I still have this nagging feeling that
this family feels ´entitled´ to the same quality of ´miracle´ that ´others´ get.

It´s sad and understandable but they are wrong, nonetheless.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Susannah, 1/8/2014 12:41:15 PM     (No. 9684374)

I wish I could find the reference, but at a press conference a week ago or so, Jahi´s uncle mentioned that the $250,000 payment for wrongful death was "chump change," and that the more likely payment for a live but permanently incapacitated child would be $30,000,000.

That may have something to do with some parties´ eagerness to maintain the fiction that the child is alive.

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