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Tiger Mom: Some cultural
groups are superior

New York Post, by Maureen Callahan

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Posted By:Judy W., 1/6/2014 10:10:17 AM

She’s doubling down. Amy Chua, the self-proclaimed “Tiger Mom” who, in 2011, published a book arguing that Chinese women are superior mothers — thus their offspring superior children — has even more to say. In “The Triple Package,” Chua and her husband, co-author Jed Rubenfeld, gather some specious stats and anecdotal evidence to argue that some groups are just superior to others and everyone else is contributing to the downfall of America. Unsurprisingly, the Chinese Chua and the Jewish Rubenfeld belong to two of the eight groups they deem exceptional. In no seeming order of importance, they are: Jewish Indian

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The truth of this is obvious but the author of the column (who doesn´t belong to one of the groups) takes great umbrage at it. Perhaps she isn´t intelligent enough to realize that an individual from any group can have the traits it takes to succeed. And that many people have different criteria for success from her list, like putting a higher value on close families than economic mobility, or being active and independent in one´s work above income and status.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: msjena, 1/6/2014 10:19:17 AM     (No. 9681498)

There may be some truth to this, but the Tiger Mom´s kids started with good genetics. All the Tiger Mom tactics in the world won´t get a kid of average intelligence into Harvard (but it will help them get into a decent school).

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 1/6/2014 10:31:51 AM     (No. 9681515)

Not sure about the book, but the article doesn´t even mention the most significant factor in determining a child´s future success no matter what the cultural background of the mother is . . Balanced parental supervision.
BUT if her books do cover this and correlate the success of certain cultural groups with the rate of two parent households in that particular culture, then she just might be on to something.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rather Read, 1/6/2014 10:35:05 AM     (No. 9681520)

Hmm, some truth I think but a lot of it is parental interest. Look at Dr. Ben Carson.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: mitzi, 1/6/2014 10:37:47 AM     (No. 9681525)

This reminds me of something I read many years ago. I think I still have the original paperback around here somewhere. I just checked Amazon to see if it´s still in print and available at Amazon.

Beyond the Melting Pot, Second Edition: The Negroes, Puerto Ricans, Jews, Italians, and Irish of New York City by Nathan Glazer, Daniel P. Moynihan.



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Reply 5 - Posted by: tennman, 1/6/2014 10:52:38 AM     (No. 9681541)

In some ways yes, in some no. Environment is critical. Just because you can doesn´t mean you do.

This mom´s tactics are quite extreme and are totally results oriented. Not everyone´s cup of tea. She also now coming across with a superiority complex.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter, 1/6/2014 10:53:57 AM     (No. 9681542)

Among my daughter´s other friends during her growth years were two Oriental girls, one Chinese and the other Korean. Both were from very strict families who severely restricted their social lives in favor of mandatory studying and both were ultimately accepted into Stanford. According to my daughter, though, they´re also socially whacked out these days. Worth it? I don´t know.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: EQKimball, 1/6/2014 11:08:25 AM     (No. 9681559)

"Do you know what the kids in our class say about Asians?" our fifth-grade daughter once asked us. We looked at each other apprehensively. "Born to do homework," she said, cheerfully supplying the answer. A racial, but hardly racist, observation by innocent classmates noting the success of peers raised by Tiger moms and dads.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: kanphil, 1/6/2014 11:09:24 AM     (No. 9681561)

OP´s analysis is spot on, it seems to me.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/6/2014 11:18:02 AM     (No. 9681570)

Self-discipline and self-control taught early on is the key. Respect for learning and excellence are important, and tempered with love and laughter, it is the key to success. As a parent, it is difficult to say no to our children. It is hard work, but that is the job description of a parent.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Aunt Agnes, 1/6/2014 11:21:42 AM     (No. 9681572)

Impulse control, discipline, judgement - I don´t have any argument with anything she says. Some people just don´t like the truth. Truth is not PC.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Sambini, 1/6/2014 11:38:30 AM     (No. 9681592)



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Reply 12 - Posted by: Sambini, 1/6/2014 11:56:03 AM     (No. 9681614)

Dr Sowell has been writing about this for years. Culture Matters.
There are always exceptions to the rules, of course!
Highly recommend anything he´s written:
http://www.tsowell.com

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Reply 13 - Posted by: octrojan, 1/6/2014 12:02:01 PM     (No. 9681627)

The article doesn´t offer any facts in rebuttal, just that the writer doesn´t like Chuy´s conclusion, obvious tho´ it might be. As one poster noted, these groups have a higher tendency to be 2 parent families. Throwing out Ben Carson is a red herring, as he´s clearly an outlier.

The main premise is really beyond argument, i.e. that some cultural groups are, in fact, superior to some others.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 1/6/2014 12:11:31 PM     (No. 9681641)

The Tiger Mom theory demonstrates a distinct lack of any “superiority” of intellect, perception or vision of those who would advocate it. In particular, the “Tiger Mom” theory has certain inarticulated assumptions that are not about any innate “superiority” of the particular subject person(s)-- but rather are about the freedom provided by the host society.

Of the groups mentioned, and regardless of any alleged appearance of “superiority” when members of such groups are relocated into America, Jews did not do well in pre-War II Germany, the Chinese still work in sweatshops in China, Indians struggle in India to get enough to eat, Iranians have an economy that only Stalin could envy, etc., etc. And, as for LDSs, does anyone think that they would show “superior” results in say … China, India, Iran, Nigeria, Cuba, etc.?

In the United States, our politics compel the simulation of an image of “meritocracy”, and “testing” is the vehicle for carrying out this façade. However, the tests in many instances are predicatively invalid, and thus measure nothing but the ability to take the test –a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy that makes subsequent administrative choices somewhat easier.

Moreover, if the “Tiger Mom” techniques as carried out by such groups in America were indeed inherently superior, the “Tiger Mom” approach would function for everyone. However, there are only so many spots in, for example, Harvard for these little “test-preppers”.


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Reply 15 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 1/6/2014 12:14:14 PM     (No. 9681645)

In point of fact, the “Tiger Mom” approach has utility only when the number of recipients for this “tough love” (qua harassment of children) is relatively small in number compared to the general population.

In such circumstances, it may yield positive results to win a spelling-bee (even though we have software for spelling), rather than to play baseball. And, it may make sense to permit/encourage “test preparation” to distort the very results of the testing.
But this approach only works in a free society.

In other social environments, it tends to create the quasi-populist counter-thesis of purported “parasitism” -- as in Nazi Germany, Africa and Latin America -- where the businesses of the Chinese and Indians Diaspora were confiscated, or worse.

But, even in America, disproportionate results may unfortunately create a down-side pressure to morph the American quasi-“meritocracy” into a “quota system” – or “group-rights” system.

And, one reason might be that the American testing schema was never a genuine “meritocracy” in the first instance, but rather merely a test-takers’ dream.




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Reply 16 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 1/6/2014 12:24:05 PM     (No. 9681662)

That´s what Mao´s mother thought too.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: leonardo, 1/6/2014 12:41:30 PM     (No. 9681680)

Those who bow at the PC altar of multiculturalism simply cannot stomach the thought that some groups are culturally superior to others ... THIS is the impetus
for the progressives´ "equality" movement - to IMPOSE an equality of RESULT for cultural groups who might be anti-social, sociopathic, unmotivated, or God forbid even IQ-challenged. Such "equality edicts" bestowed on the arguably undeserving, only serve to stifle motivation in these groups and so preserve their inferior status indefinitely. Who are these groups? You KNOW who they are, and they´re generally NOT Jewish or Asian.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: smcchk, 1/6/2014 12:44:30 PM     (No. 9681683)

I read Ms. Chua´s first book. It was intense but her point that parents aren´t supposed to be their children´s friends is well taken. I don´t mind her hitting our soft culture with some brutal truths but the severity of her parenting is not something I would support.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 1/6/2014 1:46:22 PM     (No. 9681754)

Most of our posters seem to have a worthy agenda -- i.e., to demonstrate that, within the context of this free Society, personal responsibility and parental discipline are effective.

And, they are….

However, this is not what the Tiger Moms are seeking to excuse. In an act of attempted self-exculpation, the argument of their tome is that their cruelty towards their own children should somehow be excused, emulated – and, even praised?! With short-term tunnel vision, they would observe that the put-upon child might be admitted to Harvard – instead of perhaps, Purdue, the University of Washington, or Penn State….

However, what these sociopaths in fact teach is harassment of children, via artificial punishments and intentional fear-generation (paranoia) – e.g., “You must be “better” -- otherwise you will never have a chance -- because everyone hates us. And, everyone hates YOU (including me)…”. [[A bit like “ The Boy Named ‘Sue’ ”…Johnny Cash…]]



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Reply 20 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 1/6/2014 1:46:45 PM     (No. 9681756)

Sometimes anecdotal evidence is interesting. Once upon a time there was a lawyer who, as a child, was the only Overseas Asian minority in his school. His parents forced him to do nothing but study. Unlike Bernard (in Arthur Miller’s “Death of a Salesman”), he wasn’t well-liked; he wasn’t liked; and indeed, he wasn’t liked at all.

Today, he is financially successful, but not as much as others – others, who wrestled and played football, studied music, went to the dance, had a girlfriend…. And, he seems to know nothing about anything – no interest in religion, philosophy, sports, politics, literature, poetry, music, the graphic arts, etc., etc. He is uber-dull, and knows it. He wishes that he had had a “normal” life.

So, he will die -- and leave his children some extra money that they will not have earned themselves.... Paradoxically, his “Tiger Mom” will have post hoc and generationally converted his life into a “living-lie”.

"After all the highways, and the trains, and the appointments, and the years, you end up worth more dead than alive."
- Arthur Miller, Death of a Salesman, Act 2

"Biff: Pop! I´m a dime a dozen, and so are you!
Willie: I am not a dime a dozen! I am Willy Loman, and you are Biff Loman!"
- Arthur Miller, Death of a Salesman, Act 2


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Reply 21 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 1/6/2014 2:38:48 PM     (No. 9681836)

The Tiger Mom’s lack of fluidity in intellect is astounding – well, there is nothing really astounding about this pretentious mediocrity.

Their quasi-Marxian, non-dynamic thesis is that analysis of a social system can (or should) begin and end statically – i.e., when everything is presently and nicely in place—and thereby ignore the forces that created the system, that will sustain the system, and that will change the system.

The Tiger Moms second pseudo-assumption is to pretend that this American society is not an integrated, functioning whole -- and therefore the “poor white trash” cannot be deemed to be as “superior” as the certain selected, smallish “really superior” groups. This Tiger Mom sophistry is, of course, very like the false argument that the thumb is somehow superior to the fingers within the context of the gripping function of an integrated hand.

The Tiger Mom argument seems to be: “We don’t need the “little people”, they need us…”.

One counter-example should suffice.

In contrast and in truth, since the founding of the Republic, the Appalachian poor have always been the backbone of the American army. Wherefore, the perceived “utility” of the “white trash” members of this society depends very much on the need – at any particular time and place – for the American army. For example, Ms. Rubenfeld and Chua, if one were to have asked a Jewish prisoner at Auschwitz to assess the relative value(s) of (i) a liberating “poor white trash” teenage GI with an M-1, versus (ii) a stateside Stanford-educated, Chinese-American CPA carrying a pencil, what would the answer likely have been?


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Reply 22 - Posted by: watashiyo, 1/6/2014 3:27:41 PM     (No. 9681911)

What Tiger Mom says is realistically true. However, when you follow Tiger Mom´s rule and send your kids to the public school, realistically, they get screwed up. All of the above argument becomes mute.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 1/6/2014 6:38:17 PM     (No. 9682233)

Having two well off educated parents doesn´t hurt. Problem with a superiority complex is what happens when nature takes it´s course and a not so perfect child comes along ? What happens when Chau´s husband decides to cheat on her with someone less demanding ?

Better your child loves you rather than fears you.

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Say what you will about Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), but they know a train wreck when they see it. They also know when to separate themselves from the cranks and the losers on the right. Although both supported the shutdown and were heartily supported by tea party groups in their own Senate races, neither one has endorsed Matt Bevin in Kentucky, Milton Wolf in Kansas or Chris McDaniel in Mississippi. In fact, Cruz’s office confirms he hasn’t endorsed anyone in the primaries. He may weigh in after the primaries. Rand Paul has endorsed two very establishment

Nevada GOP removes social issues from platform,
moves ahead with pre-primary endorsements

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Associated Press, by Sandra Chereb    Original Article
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LAS VEGAS — The Nevada Republican Party stripped opposition to abortion and gay marriage from its platform Saturday as state convention delegates instead focused on judging fellow Republicans on their worthiness to serve in office and adherence to GOP values. The platform, with few changes, was adopted overwhelmingly as the Las Vegas convention stretched late into the evening. The vote mirrors that of the Clark County GOP, which voted earlier to remove platform language defining marriage as between a man and a woman and statements opposing abortion. Many Republicans are re-evaluating their strong stances on conservative social issues as public

Video: Flash mob of women steal
$20,000 worth of sunglasses
from California store

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New York Daily News, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 4/13/2014 10:50:38 AM     Post Reply
A brazen flash mob has been caught on camera storming a California store and making off with $20,000 worth of sunglasses. Surveillance footage shows eight women piling into a Sunglass Hut and crowding around display cases. Shielding workers from what they´re doing, they quickly stuff dozens of fashion specs into their bags. A store clerk pleads with them to stop, before running out of the shot to get help and dial 911. The thieves then all bolt outside and escape in a waiting SUV. The incident occurred at the Valencia Town Center mall, in Santa Clarita, at 3 p.m. on

Democrat Center Folds
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American Thinker, by Clarice Feldman    Original Article
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It’s hardly been a secret that in recent years the moderate center of the Democrat party has been driven away and what remains is a conglomeration of disparate blocs which, to date, the party has been able to treat as if there were no conflicting interests between them. As the midterm elections approach and the administration’s incompetence, along with the distaste for the president’s signature ObamaCare legislation, drive the party’s chances down further, the make-believe coalition of opposites may well crumble if the opposition doesn’t blow it. Democrats hope to retain control of the Senate and recapture the House by driving


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