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Pot Opponents Predict
´Hogwild´ Colorado Trainwreck

U.S. News and World Report, by Steven Nelson

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Posted By:Desert Fox, 1/1/2014 5:10:32 AM

Colorado will make history Wednesday as the first American state allowing stores to sell marijuana for recreational use – eliciting fear and predictions of doom from anti-drug campaigners. On a Tuesday conference call hosted by Smart Approaches to Marijuana, former Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., said Colorado and Washington state – where stores will open later in 2014 – are "canaries in the coal mine." "There are a lot of ´unintended consequences´... that will make them ponder whether this was the right decision," Kennedy said, predicting more traffic accidents, increased school truancy, higher drop-out rates and a general decrease in public health. Kevin Sabet,

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 1/1/2014 5:38:18 AM     (No. 9675087)

When will the push to prevent employers from screening job applicants by drug testing begin?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 1/1/2014 7:44:13 AM     (No. 9675134)

Will they resurrect Joe the Camel for pot ads?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: mikkins2, 1/1/2014 8:03:19 AM     (No. 9675149)

Whats funny to think about if the trainwreck doesn´t happen, what will their argument be?

They will look like nothing more than nosy-bodies involving themselves in peoples lives where they don´t belong.

I have always thought the ban on marijuana use idiotic. Any sensible person knows that the true "gateway drug" is and always has been alcohol. Matter of fact most people I know smoked marijuana for the first time at a party getting drunk and with inhibitions waning, took a toke off a joint being passed around. I know that is when I tried it for the first time.

I don´t smoke marijuana, but have seen far marital issues, pain, suffering, abuse, and death as the result of alcohol, not marijuana. Anything of the same side effects that can be attributed to the use of marijuana is due to it being illegal.



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Reply 4 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 1/1/2014 8:07:02 AM     (No. 9675152)

But with the marijuana industry, he said, "if we can catch it early enough we can prevent some of the most egregious adverse impacts."

Like the militarization of our state and local police?

Like the incarceration of vast swathes of otherwise harmless users?

Yeah, marijuana probably isn´t good for you--just like alcohol probably isn´t good for you. But a Prohibition on marijuana is worse for the nation--just like alcohol Prohibition was worse for the nation.

With all due respect to the Goodie Two-Shoes out there, give it a rest! Your War on Drugs has become a War on our Constitutional Rights.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Rinktum, 1/1/2014 8:31:19 AM     (No. 9675186)

Give it time.

Call me a busy body, but I don´t want to be surrounded by pot users OR alcoholics and I have every right to feel that way.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 1/1/2014 8:40:43 AM     (No. 9675198)

Served on a grand jury for a month. Most of the cases were drug and alcohol fueled including three fatalities. There are people out there that are walking disasters, and if they get drunk or high, watch out. You do NOT want to cross paths with them. Alcohol seems to be more problematic than drugs. Most of the drug arrests were against minorities. Was it racism? More likely, minorities were more open about drug use and used drugs more making them easier to be spotted by police.

Would you want to share a house or apartment with someone that abuses alcohol or drugs?

Colorado is about to get interesting. What happens if your local mayor or chief of police is smoking pot?

Alot of poor decisions are based on drug and alcohol use.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 1/1/2014 8:55:00 AM     (No. 9675225)

I suspect that this will turn out similar to alcohol, casinos, etc.: a small group will abuse and have a problem with it, many will indulge recreationally without any problem, and many others won´t partake at all. The predictions of calamity won´t materialize, but then neither will all the claims of societal benefits. I have mixed views on the issue. My gut instinct is that we would be better off not going down the road to legalization of pot, but the world won´t end if we do.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: MirJoy, 1/1/2014 8:55:31 AM     (No. 9675228)

Not too far back, people moved to California for its natural resources and employment opportunities and healthy living. Then a few decades ago, Colorado was the place to go for the natural beauty and chance to be yourself and ski and hike and make a simple living. Lots of changes to both states, and I don´t know if Humptey Dumpney fares any better in states than it does on a wall.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: CEP, 1/1/2014 9:11:54 AM     (No. 9675254)

So it is okay to smoke marijuana but don´t they dare smoke a cigarette, that will result in jail time. Do I have that right?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Halfvast Conspirator, 1/1/2014 9:21:45 AM     (No. 9675269)

Munchie Sales Spike in Wake of Openings

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Reply 11 - Posted by: flybynight, 1/1/2014 9:28:38 AM     (No. 9675285)

Prediction: We will have about the same number of losers, addicted nonachievers, with legalized dope as we do with alcohol. Most people can have a drink or two and go on about their business. Some can´t. Some will smoke a joint with friends instead of drinking. There will be the usual people who must deal with their psychic pain, their internal angst, who will choose pot as their vehicle rendering insensibility instead of alcohol or pills. I suspect most of those who will choose pot already do. The upshot I foresee is that we may have mellower "drunks," but probably not more of them as a percentage of the populace.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: uno_thatguy, 1/1/2014 9:46:51 AM     (No. 9675315)

2. I cherish the thought of a couple of my employees taking a smoke break and others sitting around having lunch getting a contact high. Lovely thought!

Go to #1:

1. When will the push to prevent employers from screening job applicants by drug testing begin?

Yep, freedom of choice is wonderful.


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Reply 13 - Posted by: chicodon, 1/1/2014 10:23:22 AM     (No. 9675384)

Predictions: I predict many connected politicians will get rich. I predict smuggling to dry states will explode. I predict liberal Oregon and California will soon follow.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: peterfleming, 1/1/2014 10:27:46 AM     (No. 9675390)

The two real miracles for the unwashed (those who´ve never given it a thought) are, (1) the removal of the criminal underworld and gang plunder, and (2) the return to free market pricing (it WILL become affordable!).

Of course, de criminalizing the user is also miraculously
sane. Later, we can define how this new class of people must behave in public, and the great news is that it can change and be different in each little or big town ! !

Always remember, grass is not addictive ! It may be habit forming, but it´s not addictive. THERE IS NO EXCRUCIATING WITHDRAWAL PERIOD , like the addictions from alcohol, tobacco and all the elaborately manufactured drugs (as well as, too many medically prescribed drugs). Legalizing grass is a step ahead !

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Reply 15 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 1/1/2014 10:29:51 AM     (No. 9675392)

Why is it OK to smoke marijuana but definitely not OK to smoke tobacco? Would the answer be hypocrisy?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: The Patriot Code, 1/1/2014 10:38:33 AM     (No. 9675402)

Texting while driving is dangerous now. Adding maryjane to the equation is downright scary.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Rusino, 1/1/2014 10:55:58 AM     (No. 9675422)

Read Aldous Huxley, Brave New World! He was a Prophet and he did not know it"

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Reply 18 - Posted by: RancherJack, 1/1/2014 10:56:28 AM     (No. 9675424)

They haven´t thought ther cunning plan all the way through ..

How will this effect ..

1. Economic Development?
2. Recruiting big business?
3. Civil Enforcement?
4. Insurance rates?
5. Children?
6. Hospitals and health insurance?

.. etc

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Reply 19 - Posted by: cindyk, 1/1/2014 10:57:00 AM     (No. 9675428)

Recent job transfer has us here in Denver. Went to the new Hobbit movie at an Imax theatre two nights ago. The two individuals sitting in front of us has just smoked a great deal of their drug of choice. They stunk (plus the fact that the women´s hair looked like it hadn´t been washed in a while)! Where are my rights?! - I had to cover my nose with a coat sleeve to keep from gagging. Thanks CO, I will now have to bring a facemask everywhere to avoid the smell!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 1/1/2014 11:17:22 AM     (No. 9675464)

As a resident of the Denver area, I can tell you that the main reason this law managed to pass is because of the sitter outers here who sat out the 2012 election because Romney got nominated as the repub prez candidate and not their guy. Another main reason the law passed is because Obie´s campaign ground game lobbied the college student pretty hard to vote and vote for pot they did. Now our state will take on the stench of another drug that frankly smells like dog droppings.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: planetgeo, 1/1/2014 11:30:47 AM     (No. 9675493)

As an individual issue, it´s not the end of the world. But as yet another leading indicator, it says a lot about how our country is trending. And what it says is that it...we...are increasingly sybaritic, pleasure (not happiness) seeking, wanting to become detached from behavioral norms, needing and seeking anesthetization. In a word...eloi.

The only problem is...we are surrounded by morlocks. So go ahead and take another toke, it will make our end game go more quickly and less painfully.



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Reply 22 - Posted by: coldoc, 1/1/2014 11:46:08 AM     (No. 9675515)

Free dope for democrats. Maybe they will forget to vote.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: CEP, 1/1/2014 11:53:32 AM     (No. 9675526)

New meaning to Denver being the Mile High City.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: zoidberg, 1/1/2014 11:55:26 AM     (No. 9675528)

Everyone should be entitled to use his intoxicant of choice without legal consequences as long as he does no harm to others´ persons or property.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Butch59, 1/1/2014 12:33:02 PM     (No. 9675600)

First they just wanted a smoke fee section on airplanes and in restraurants, then it gradually expanded that now, in some place, you can´t smoke in any outdoor, public venue. The use of marijuana will, it time, end up the same way. And I´m a non-smoker and have NEVER used marijuana. Just think that if you are going to undergo heart surgery, or any other complicated medical procedure, and the Dr. stops for a few minutes to toke up. Would you be happy with that? Or a large percentage of your police force of firemen are committed pot users? Where will society be then? Regardless of what is touted about how harmless pot is, it DOES damage to the individual. I have concrete evidence of that. One week after his 13th birthday, my son´s sister and my granddaughter were killed in a house fire. Any my granddaughter was born on my son´s birthday. That hurt him terribly. And as he grew older, he went through the grieving process over and over. As a result, he turned to pot to ease the mental pain. For more that ten years, I feared that I would get a call telling me he was dead. Now, praise GOD, he is doing well, drug clean, has a good job and a very nice apartment. So, don´t tell me there is no harm in pot. Yes there is.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: hoosiergirl71, 1/1/2014 1:00:05 PM     (No. 9675640)

Jack Tapper on Twitter gives a new CO. state motto: "Have you seen your hand, have you really seen your hand?"

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Reply 27 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 1/1/2014 1:43:30 PM     (No. 9675725)

Given that obamacare is going to be harder to get of than herpes, make every drug legal. Let people self-treat themselves. We are talking about liberty and freedom aren´t we? It shows a very shallow faith in people to think that they will degenerate to the lowest common denominator - the people who are headed there are going to get there no matter what.

Oh, and if you commit a felony while on any drug, or drive or handle a firearm, throw the book at them. With freedom comes responsibility.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Heraclitus, 1/1/2014 2:20:30 PM     (No. 9675769)

There´s a reason why it´s called "dope." The main drawback is that initiative, ambition, drive are stunted, as are mental and emotional development, especially in those who start using in their early teen (or even younger) years.

Michael Savage who has studied the impact of drugs on the brain´s chemistry, cites the deleterious effects on pot.

Sure, not everyone will use to the same extent or suffer the worst side affects. Some of the worst repercussions will be in those with underlying psychological/emotional disorders or weakness.

I suspect that businesses in CO will have a harder time finding good, motivated workers; schools will have higher (no pun) drop-out rates; number of drug-related auto accidents will increase.

One thing is true, there is much more violence connected with alcohol.

But, does anyone really, really think that drug pushers will pack up and go away? Those people are ruthless and voracious. Weed will not be the only drug growing wild in the minds of Coloradans.

Time will tell. But any other State considering this sort of liberalization ought to cool off and watch CO for ten years or so before jumping off the cliff with them.

In the interim, we might expect the drug-user population to grow as users from around the country, and even the world, will flock to Colorado and wherever drug laws have been abandoned.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: zoidberg, 1/1/2014 2:31:36 PM     (No. 9675782)

According to Wikipedia, "his 1980 book Weiners´s Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine advocated the medical benefits of marijuana."

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Reply 30 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 1/1/2014 3:11:37 PM     (No. 9675810)

Being ambivalent about the legalization issue, I have to say that I really didn´t know that so many people find the smell so repulsive. I can say with great certainty that it is one of my favorite smells. On the hoof or grilled.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: JimK, 1/1/2014 3:26:11 PM     (No. 9675831)

I´m ashamed of my state. But then I´ve been ashamed of my country (or at least a plurality of its voters) since that community organizer was elected.

Without getting into the argument about legalization, there are going to be dire unintended consequences to this.

Such as:
http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=371414

I left California 25 years ago because of nonsense like this. Maybe I´ll have to retire to Wyoming...

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Janjan, 1/1/2014 4:13:34 PM     (No. 9675889)

Once the government gets involved pot will only be legal if you buy it from someone with a government permit who makes sure the government gets their cut. I don´t think that´s what the pot smokers thought they were signing up for. The jails will still be full of people who don´t follow the rules. This is a billion dollar industry for drug dealers.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 1/1/2014 4:14:19 PM     (No. 9675891)

Another unintended consequence will be suffered by the independent growers, if the California experience repeats itself.

I´m in the middle of the Emerald Triangle of northern CA. Prior to the legalization of "medicinal" marijuana established growers were getting $5,000 a pound, since "215" passed the price has dropped to $1,500. The Mexican and other drug cartels controlled the "dispensaries" and supplied the product. Not until their supply starts to run thin around February or March do the dispensaries contact the lucky indies they have deigned "approved".

The growers thought they were going to make a mint a money with legalization, but now they have to sit on their harvests for up to six months and sell at a fraction of their old price. Its bad for our local economy. Pot is our only product since the enviro-communists shut down the timber industry.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: redink, 1/1/2014 5:31:43 PM     (No. 9675969)

"Take your Soma, Bernard."
Yes, indeed...we are becoming that brave new world that has such people in it.

This isn´t about liberty.
Liberty is a responsibility that most Americans now shun.

I know what pot does...and I know what it doesn´t do.
It doesn´t help you build a family, or work hard at school, or enable you to take risks and go after your dreams. It doesn´t let you live...it lets you sleep.
It lets others do the thinking for you. It makes your food taste delicious, but it doesn´t put it on the table with a loving hand.
It takes away fear and regret for a moment and buries it atop your dignity and courage until you can no longer find them.

This legalization is just another part of the madness of this age.
God help me in this new year.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Chippewa, 1/1/2014 7:01:22 PM     (No. 9676012)

There are some Federal issues here in that selling marijuana is still a Federal crime. In terms of the tax law, I understand that they the sellers are taxed on all illegal revenue at normal rates, plus a penalty, but cannot deduct any expenses associated with the illegal enterprise. I wonder if Holder will do anything to enforce any of this.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: lana720, 1/1/2014 7:39:20 PM     (No. 9676024)

My dear hubby has to go to Denver on business. He says the traffic runs so slowly already. Can you imagine his their car insurance costs will spike?

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Reply 37 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/1/2014 10:22:45 PM     (No. 9676117)

Well it only took three responses for the ol´ ALCOHOL to be mentioned.

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For Hillary Clinton, having her own baby grandchild to kiss on the campaign trail, could be one of the biggest boosts to her possible presidential election campaign. Although the former Secretary of State and First Lady has not said if she will run in 2016, the arrival of her first grandchild will soften her image, analysts have said. While Chelsea only revealed her pregnancy on Thursday, supporters of her mother have already started cooing over a possible baby in the White House. With the Clintons having a near-royal status in the U.S., the announcement of a new arrival due this fall has sent

Living in the New York Times World
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American Thinker, by J. Paul Masko    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/19/2014 7:48:36 AM     Post Reply
I began reading the entirety of the first section of the New York Times at nine years old, and continued that practice, more or less, for decades.(snip) ...the power of reverence, intrinsic to what I call the “cascade” of The Times: the near avalanche-like flow and distribution of information through electronic and print networks: through like-minded network newscasts, magazines, local newspaper s, blogs, daytime talk TV, late-night entertainment, statements at media award ceremonies, the celebrity Twitterverse, etc. The cascade rolls through Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, The New Yorker, the mouths of third-grade teachers, Elmo, Madonna and Susan Sarandon …through

Barack Obama and the politics of lies
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Washington Examiner [DC], by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/20/2014 5:45:25 AM     Post Reply
That was quite a victory dance President Obama did Thursday while claiming Obamacare is “working” because eight million people have now supposedly signed up for the health care program. He even indulged in some less-than-subtle mockery of Republicans - and by extension the majority of Americans who have disapproved of Obamacare since before it became law. "The repeal debate is and should be over,” Obama said, taking a dig at Republicans who are “going through, you know, the stages of grief … anger and denial and all that stuff …” But a president who is viewed by most Americans as less

In a Hole, Golf Considers
Digging a Wider One

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New York Times, by Bill Pennington    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/19/2014 10:48:33 AM     Post Reply
GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

Obama: ´For me, Easter is a story of hope,
a belief in a better day to come´

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/19/2014 9:16:36 AM     Post Reply
Hi, everybody. For millions of Americans, this time of year holds great meaning. Earlier this week, we hosted a Passover Seder at the White House, and joined Jewish families around the world in their re-tellings of the story of the Exodus and the victory of faith over oppression. And this Sunday, Michelle, Malia, Sasha, and I will join our fellow Christians around the world in celebrating the Resurrection of Christ, the salvation he offered the world, and the hope that comes with the Easter season. These holy days have their roots in miracles that took place long ago. And yet, they still inspire us, guide us, and strengthen us today. They remind us of our

Harry Reid calls dissident Nevada ranchers
´domestic terrorists´ following show of
force against the federal government

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 4/19/2014 9:29:17 AM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after

White House asks American parents to
monitor their children for signs of terrorism

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Daily Caller, by Eric Owens    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/19/2014 5:50:04 PM     Post Reply
In a speech earlier this week, Lisa O. Monaco, President Barack Obama’s assistant for homeland security and counterterrorism, insisted that American parents must be vigilant because their “confrontational” children could be on the verge of becoming terrorists. Monaco’s full, prepared text is available here. She presented the speech, entitled “Countering Violent Extremism and the Power of Community,” at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government on April 15. Monaco began her remarks by eloquently describing the lives tragically lost last year during the Boston Marathon bombings. Interestingly, the Harvard grad failed to mention the religion or the motive of brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan

Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:09:17 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

You lie! Reporters accuse Obama
of deception, demagoguery just
to get attention

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/18/2014 9:28:24 PM     Post Reply
Prominent Washington correspondents are accusing President Obama and his aides of knowingly stretching the truth on issues like the so-called women´s pay gap just to create controversy and keep issues -- and the president -- relevant. Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus kicked off the attack last week when she blasted as “demagoguery” the administration´s tactics during the pay gap debate. “The level of hyperbole -- actually, of demagoguery -- that Democrats have engaged in here is revolting,” she wrote. CBS White House Correspondent Major Garrett then weighed in this week in his National Journal

Clintons celebrate Chelsea’s
pregnancy announcement

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New York Post, by Stephanie Smith    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:32:52 AM     Post Reply
The Clintons had a busy night of celebrations after Chelsea announced she and husband Marc Mezvinsky are expecting a baby. Bill joined “House of Cards” star Kevin Spacey at the Revlon Rainforest Fund Benefit Concert at Carnegie Hall Thursday, joking of Spacey’s Machiavellian character, “When I was president people accused me of murder all the time, made a show of investigating. Spacey’s president for 15 minutes and he gets away with murder.” Spacey, who sang during the event with Sting, Stephen Stills and James Taylor, also showed off his Johnny Carson impression, taking a swipe at the coverage of Flight

Harry Reid Doubles Down on Bundy
Ranch: ´If They´re Patriots, We´re
in Big Trouble´

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Breitbart Big Government, by Kerry Picket    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 9:39:40 PM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Friday stood by his statement regarding embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, saying on KSNV’s What’s Your Point?, “If anyone thinks by any figment of their imagination that what happened up there last week was just people rallying to somebody that was oppressed, 600 people came in armed. They had practiced. They had maneuvered.” Reid continued, “They knew what they were doing. They set up snipers in strategic locations with sniper rifles. They had assault weapons. They had automatic weapons. And they boasted about the fact that they put women and children, in fact one

Stop dressing so tacky for church
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CNN, by John Blake    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/20/2014 4:40:56 AM     Post Reply
If the Rev. John DeBonville could preach a sermon to lift the souls of churchgoers across America, his message would be simple: Stop dressing so tacky for church. DeBonville has heard about the “come as you are” approach to dressing down for Sunday service, but he says the Sabbath is getting too sloppy. When he scans the pews of churches, DeBonville sees rows of people dressed in their Sunday worst. They saunter into church in baggy shorts, flip-flop sandals, tennis shoes and grubby T-shirts. Some even slide into the pews carrying coffee in plastic foam containers as if they’re going to Starbucks. “It’s like


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