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Marine Vet Slams Paul Ryan´s
´Outrageous Attitude´ Toward
Military Pension Cuts

Breitbart´s Big Government, by Tony Lee

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Posted By:mikkins2, 12/29/2013 11:32:56 AM

Two days after President Barack Obama signed a budget compromise that slashed pension benefits for military veterans, retired Marine Jessie Jane Duff blasted Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) for his "outrageous attitude" toward the sacrifices those in the armed forces have made. Appearing on Fox & Friends on Saturday, Jessie Jane Duff, who is at the E7 level, said Ryan, who brokered the deal with Sen. Patty Murray (D-WI), does not realize that many active duty military personnel go back to civilian life "broke" and "without a job" and have difficulty getting on equal footing with their "civilian counterparts." She noted

This is what happens when your main concern is protecting your defense industry benefactors at the detriment of America´s Veterans.

Ryan and the Republican Establishment can show pie charts, graphs, and regurgitate talking points that have been prepared for them by lobbyists until they are blue in the face. The fact remains that no cuts were made that the Pentagon recommended for needless equipment and redundant departments. And no cuts were made to entitlement programs.

And your still a Republican why?

Got Tea?


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Reply 1 - Posted by: GringoinQuito, 12/29/2013 11:50:59 AM     (No. 9671735)

As a Marine Corps veteran, 1965-1972, this is the dumbest thig Ryan could have done. Why not cut the pensions of congress and federal workers?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Shimmer128, 12/29/2013 12:11:59 PM     (No. 9671751)

I´m the widow of a retired Navy man. I get a whopping $550 or so a month. They always, ALWAYS list an officers retirement (a retired Colonel makes $2000 something per month) never mentioning that the vast majority of retirees are not officers. Makes me so angry.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: JAN, 12/29/2013 12:21:56 PM     (No. 9671763)

Can someone explain the truth of this matter?

Is it a cut in the COLA increase or an actual cut in the monthly payout?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: dcomd, 12/29/2013 12:29:01 PM     (No. 9671773)

I hope and pray that a conservative vet in Ryan´s congressional district would come forth and primary Ryan!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: judy, 12/29/2013 12:31:14 PM     (No. 9671775)

Did Ryan cut his own pension? Ryan could have cut some real waste like funding alcohol for federal employees, cut the trips ,cut the parties, cut the pay raises for federal employees & congress etc. Ryan is just another conservative turned liberal. Must be the water in DC 99% of republicans turn liberal within 3 months.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: snichols, 12/29/2013 12:33:34 PM     (No. 9671776)

I´m with #3. From what I have read, it is a cola decrease of 1% until the retiree reaches normal retirement age (65?), then the 1% is restored to the pension. If this is true, it is a reduction of an increase, not a cut. What is the real story?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: mindyourbubble, 12/29/2013 12:44:47 PM     (No. 9671785)

They went after the Military people because they cannot complain.

Active military are "forbidden" from making or taking any kind of political comment or action respectively.

By the way, past elections have shown that Military absentee ballots are usually delayed in reaching the soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen. Then to add insult to injury, their filled in ballots never get back in time to be counted.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: ocho reales, 12/29/2013 12:48:42 PM     (No. 9671787)

It is a reduction in the COLA not a retired pay cut. The military has a non contributing pension system as opposed to federal workers. The military contribute nothing to their pensions and retire at half pay for life after 20 years of service. Federal workers contribute 6% to their pensions and can retire at age 55 if they have 30 years of service. The item in question reduces the military COLA by 1% until the military retiree gets to normal retirement age at which time it is restored. # 6 is right on the money. There is a lot of disinformation going around on the whole issue.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Illinois Mom, 12/29/2013 12:51:16 PM     (No. 9671790)

I realize that Ryan is at fault but where is the outrage at the Democrats who participated and allowed this to happen?

They could have "caught" this and become the "heroes."

Seems to me they are to blame as well for passing it.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: JediJerry, 12/29/2013 12:56:11 PM     (No. 9671793)

Perhaps the bigger strategy in this will be that next election Republicans can campaign on restoring veterans benefits and make it retroactive. You know a John Kerry reverse psychology kind of thing. Republicans were for it before they were against it. But I doubt it.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/29/2013 12:56:16 PM     (No. 9671796)

It is a 1% cut to the COLA..you know, the same COLA that social security recipients depend on. The military can´t speak out, but the seniors would be screaming without their COLA..the military is also experiencing higher costs for medical care for themselves and families.
Ryan not only stepped in it, he jumped in it with both feet.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: mikkins2, 12/29/2013 12:56:36 PM     (No. 9671797)


"The deal Obama signed includes a provision that would "pare down annual cost of living increases in benefits for military retirees under age 62, saving the government an estimated $6.3 billion over a decade." What that means is a sergeant first class at the E7 level like Duff who retires at age 42 would lose $72,000 in benefits over a lifetime, according to a Fox News analysis.

I don´t know what you are confused about if you read the article.

Then again, maybe $72,000 means nothing to you and therefor there is a disconnect. That´s a big chunk of a mortgage that would be paid off to free up money for retirement in the world I live in. I think maybe your world view is looking from inside the beltway out instead of outside the beltway in.

Just sayin´.

Got Tea?

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Reply 13 - Posted by: bearcat, 12/29/2013 1:07:51 PM     (No. 9671804)

Oddly enough I had to get the real story about the COLA from WaPo. Fox and Breitbart totally misinforming. Brit Hume is trying, but drowned out. The military has some strong lobbies. I used to believe all, now I check before donating. This is an underhanded campaign. It´s fairly hard to get 20 yrs in. I think the percentage collecting pensions is something like 17%. Not universal. Great education. Many go on to other well paid careers

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Reply 14 - Posted by: bearcat, 12/29/2013 1:12:49 PM     (No. 9671811)

By the way, we seniors don´t always get a COLA, and when we do, the amt varies.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Agent Orange, 12/29/2013 1:13:03 PM     (No. 9671812)

Number 8 said that we didn´t contribute to our pension fund, I beg to differ with number 8, it´s called giving it all for the country, you know, with your life. As far as I´m concerned that is how I contributed to my hard earned pension.

And our men and women in uniform that have endured more deployments than I can count to the under belly of the middle east.... Yep, I believed our vets have contributed in full for their pensions. What have the LoFo´s done to earn theirs?

MSgt, USAF (ret)

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mickeymat, 12/29/2013 1:26:15 PM     (No. 9671817)

Ryan has lost me as a supporter. This was the final straw. He is so much like the Republicans in Congress who are so similar to the Dems, it is pointless to even cal themselves Republicans.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: jar, 12/29/2013 1:32:21 PM     (No. 9671820)

Why no mention of Patty Murray´s role in this? Why is it billed as exclusively Paul Ryan´s doing? Why is he the fall guy?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/29/2013 1:36:23 PM     (No. 9671821)

When my spouse joined the Navy (back in the dark ages), he made 53 cents an hour while the minimum wage was 1.00 an hour. He was told that he was paid less to ensure his retirement and FREE healthcare for life for himself and his family. (The family that lived without him 7 months a year) while he was deployed.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 12/29/2013 1:41:29 PM     (No. 9671823)

Ryan is politically dead.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 12/29/2013 1:51:32 PM     (No. 9671831)

#17 We expect Democrats like Patty Murray to pull crap like this. We didn´t expect our shining little star, Paul Ryan, to sell us down the river. That is why conservatives are angry...military, too! As my neighbor would say, "Paul Ryan is dead to me."

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Reply 21 - Posted by: franq, 12/29/2013 2:00:03 PM     (No. 9671838)

Yet the Feds had $108 billion to blow on improper SS payments in 2012.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: absalom, 12/29/2013 2:11:50 PM     (No. 9671853)

When is an increase a decrease and when is a decrease an increase? Hmmmm.... talk about getting lost in the weeds. Lord have mercy!!
At the end of the day, this allows spending to roll on inexorably and that is the big picture, the forest. Ryan would never have been picked by Willard were he not another trendy progressive and this devil´s bargain proves it as well as his infantile political instincts.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/29/2013 2:14:19 PM     (No. 9671859)

The primary issue is one of fairness, you can´t change the law retroactive to the service already given. If you want to decrease the pensions, do it now for people signing up.

Let me remind all that the congressional staffers were all faced with losing the 75% coverage of their health care premiums because they were required by law to go onto Obamacare. Congress decided that despite the law, some effort must be made to replace that money even though there was no provision in the law to do so. There is no premium support in law for those with 6 figure incomes.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: ocho reales, 12/29/2013 2:21:49 PM     (No. 9671869)

"Number 8 said that we didn´t contribute to our pension fund, I beg to differ with number 8, it´s called giving it all for the country, you know, with your life. As far as I´m concerned that is how I contributed to my hard earned pension."

Perhaps it would have been more accurate if I had said "financially" contributed. Of course the military contribute with a risk to their life, as do the CIA, the FBI, the DEA, and the State Department. All of the latter pay into the pension program to the tune of 6%. I´m not saying the military is getting a free ride. I am trying to be accurate as to the pension contribution amount.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: MDConservative, 12/29/2013 2:35:45 PM     (No. 9671885)

Lot´s of gored oxes on display here. Under the Ryan-Murray agreement, pension contributions paid by federal civilian workers hired after January 1, 2014 will increase by 1.3%. This means that the contribution amount for new FERS employees would be 4.4% of their salaries instead of the 0.8% most federal employees now pay. (Six percent if under the old CSRS system.) What does the military pay? Still nothing.

Social Security adjustments will soon be made using "chained CPI" to cut those increases across the board. Yeah, the seniors are mad, and they´ll lose.

Got Tea? Unlike civilian pensions, there is no "trust fund" with cash flow backing military pensions. The cash comes directly out of tax collections and borrowed money. So, if you´re "taxed enough already" tell me how this obligation will be paid without raising taxes...cuts or no cuts. How about another cup?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Smart11344, 12/29/2013 3:11:13 PM     (No. 9671912)

#26....and congress will continue to give themselves raises.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: mikkins2, 12/29/2013 3:14:34 PM     (No. 9671914)

To all the Ryan/Republican Establishment supportets above.

You still have not addressed the primary reason for the backlash Ryan well deserves:

What exactly was cut from entitlement programs and the defense budget that the PENTAGON REQUESTED BEFORE veterans benefits that were PROMISED THEY WOULD RECEIVE AT ENLISTMENT AND RE-ENLISTMENT?

In fairness we will allow you time to receive talking points faxed from K Street and RNC Headquarters to answer.

Got Tea?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: tipover, 12/29/2013 4:08:01 PM     (No. 9671961)

Keep in mind that while the education level of the average enlisted member is higher than it used to be it is still not an easy transition to the civilian workforce.

There are not many jobs for enlisted artillery troops (unless the local police have towed or self propelled artillery to control the streets). Or an infantryman or scout sniper. Even an aircraft maintenance tech will require years of training to do the equivalent job in the civilian world. That can be a long time to live on 50% of your usual enlisted base wage (that doesn´t include BAQ/BOQ or separate ration help for off base living expenses).

Enlisted or Officer, the retired military are starting their careers from the beginning and it is not necessarily easy, especially in Obama´s economy.

BTW, don´t forget the Guard and Reserves. since 1990 they have had multiple deployments (90 day, 6 mos, 14 months). Want to watch a civilian career die. Be gone multiple times, for extended periods. If lucky the employer will keep you but it´s not likely they will put you in key positions of responsibility where you must be replaced with little notice.

For those that think the military is too privileged, they need spend a month or two in the sandbox or aboard ship. It can be so much fun....

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Videodrone, 12/29/2013 4:42:40 PM     (No. 9671986)

it is glaringly obvious that several posters in this thread have never signed a blank check payable to the People of the Untied States of America.

Self restraint and this venue prohibit me from expressing my true feelings of those who so cavalierly dismiss those who have served.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: thelmalou, 12/29/2013 4:44:31 PM     (No. 9671989)

I don´t care what kind of a cut it was or wasn´t. It is directed at the military, and Paul Ryan of all people, to work on a massive budget money-spending debacle with Patty Murray? Ye gods.

Paul Ryan, you are dead to me. You now go in the Dead to ThelmaLou pile with Peggy Noonan, and many others. :spit:

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Amanoftwistsandturns, 12/29/2013 5:47:57 PM     (No. 9672053)

With that budget deal Paul Ryan assured himself that he will never hold higher office.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Cor-vet, 12/29/2013 8:44:44 PM     (No. 9672194)

It´s always interesting that no congressional people got these cuts, no federal workers got these cuts, Jug-ears and Mooch continue to travel the globe and all the low-flo perks keep right on coming, but!

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Reply 33 - Posted by: hamrman, 12/29/2013 11:55:57 PM     (No. 9672301)

She was wonderfully passionate in annuncating our position!

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Casual marijuana use may come with some not-so-casual side effects. For the first time ever, researchers at Northwestern University have analyzed the relationship between casual use of marijuana and brain changes – and found that young adults who used cannabis just once or twice a week showed significant abnormalities in two important brain structures. The study’s findings, to be published Wednesday in the Journal of Neuroscience, are similar to those of past research linking chronic, long-term marijuana use with mental illness and changes in brain development. Dr. Hans Breiter, co-senior study author, said he was inspired to look at the effects of casual

Glaring limits of the Civil Rights
Act: We need to redistribute wealth

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Salon Magazine, by Matt Bruenig    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/14/2014 7:20:41 PM     Post Reply
Although the Civil Rights Act, the landmark legislation which just reached its 50th anniversary, made great strides in desegregating the economy, economic discrimination is still widespread, and anti-discrimination legislation alone can never rectify the economic damage inflicted upon blacks by slavery and our Jim Crow apartheid regime. The Civil Rights Act was a mild reform, all things considered, but one conservatives fought with vigor and one many conservatives are still bitter about to this day. When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, the primary purpose was to root out discrimination in public accommodations (like hotels and movie theaters)

White babies just 15 months old show racial
bias when picking playmates, study found

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/15/2014 10:23:35 PM     Post Reply
Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. They also take account of how fairly others behave. Researchers tested the reaction of white 15-month-olds as toys were distributed. Two white adults divided the toys, one equally and the other unequally. Seventy per cent of the toddlers chose to play with the researcher who distributed the toys fairly. But in a second test, when one researcher favoured a white recipient over an Asian one, they picked the ‘fair’ researcher less often, the journal Frontiers in Psychology reports. And the babies are more likely to help those who share the same ethnicity, which is known as

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

White is not right: Campus admins ask
for help weeding out white people

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Daily Caller, by Robby Soave    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 7:47:18 PM     Post Reply
Western Washington University sent a questionnaire to students asking them for advice on how the administration could succeed at making sure that in future years, “we are not as white as we are today.” The question notes that WWU’s racial make up does not perfectly reflect the nation at large, and asks students to consider strategies that other universities have used to focus on skin color as the paramount indicator of a student-applicant’s worth. The president of WWU has stated that his explicit goal is to reduce the white population on campus, according to Campus Reform. “I’ve said before and I’ll say it

If a nuclear bomb exploded in downtown
Washington, what should you do?

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The Week, by Marc Ambinder    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast

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