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Ducks, Gays, and Steyn
Power Line, by Paul Mirengoff

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Posted By:stjohnswood, 12/26/2013 10:00:51 AM

John has mentioned the controversy between Mark Steyn and his National Review editor, Jason Lee Steorts. The matter centered around Steyn’s column of last Friday called “The Age of Intolerance.” Citing the experience of Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson, who came under attack from gay rights activists for expressing his view of homosexuality, Steyn argued that the forces of “tolerance” are so intolerant that they threaten to make ours a decidedly illiberal society. Steyn led off his column with two old jokes about gays. The first, from Bob Hope, was, as Steyn said, ´´oddly profound´´ because it somehow foresaw the intolerance

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 12/26/2013 10:32:18 AM     (No. 9668220)

You are kidding me, the joke in question starts out, "How do you make a fruit cordial?"

It´s classic Vaudeville in style, and nothing but a groaner throwaway anyhow.

I guess you just can´t say "cordial" anymore.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/26/2013 10:46:19 AM     (No. 9668236)

Even Mirengoff, who meanders too much for my taste, doesn´t get why Steyn included those two jokes. He was pointing out that only a relatively few years ago those jokes were told in public or on television.

Now we have moved from being expected to be tolerant to being expected to be "celebratory". Those expecting this are the radical activist leaders of the "gay movement" who, like all the other leaders of "movements" do not necessarily speak for those they purport to represent.

I know several gay men who abhor this activism, preferring to live quietly and enjoy friends and neighbors regardless of gender preferences. One couple has been together for 30+ years. Longer than many heterosexual couples. This kind of activism is repulsive to them.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: AltaD, 12/26/2013 10:47:43 AM     (No. 9668239)

The joke is completely harmless, it wasn´t crude or vulgar like liberal humor is. NRO simply isn´t what it once was and I hope Steyn finds a new internet home.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: bugger, 12/26/2013 10:50:06 AM     (No. 9668243)

Great article, I read the response Steyn had for the editor, from that:

"As to his kind but belated and conditional pledge to join me on the barricades, I had enough of that level of passionate support up in Canada to know that, when the call to arms comes, there will always be some “derogatory” or “puerile” expression that it will be more important to tut over. So thanks for the offer, but I don’t think you’d be much use, would you?"

I absolutely adore Mark Steyn. He does not hesitate to slap around the editor that is criticizing his (excellent) original artical. And he does it in the editors publication, no fear there.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 12/26/2013 10:53:45 AM     (No. 9668245)

If you didn´t read the Steyn article the first time again, don´t miss it. There is a link embedded in Mirengoff´s piece. Do read it. It is a doozy!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 12/26/2013 10:54:57 AM     (No. 9668248)

The National Review under Rich Lowry has become a shadow of its former self. The only things still worth reading are Nordlinger, Steyn, and Victor Davis Hansen. That politically correct little twerps like Jason Lee Steorts (who?) have infiltrated the magazine to the editorial level is indicative of Lowry´s leadership disability.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 12/26/2013 11:00:16 AM     (No. 9668256)

Okay. I´m just really confused here, and it doesn´t have anything to do with lack of coffee.

I missed Steyn´s column titled "The Age of Intolerance," so I looked it up, and Steyn does not start the column with two old jokes about gays. It starts with "Look, I’m an effete foreigner who likes show tunes."

Has the column been censored by National Review editor, Jason Lee Steorts?

I did learn through following the links in the feathred article that if you want to know what Steyn really thinks, read this column:

http://nationalreview.com/corner/366943/re-education-camp-mark-steyn

Signed: Confused

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Reply 8 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 12/26/2013 11:05:01 AM     (No. 9668261)

Maybe not so confused now. I missed the link in Mirengogg´s column, went back and opened that link, and indeed it is the original column.

So Steyn had two columns titled "The Age of Intolerance"?

Maybe I am still confused. Either way, the Bob Hope joke cracked me up.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: strike3, 12/26/2013 11:11:08 AM     (No. 9668273)

As usual, Steyn is on point and bitingly accurate. The fact that the twerpy editor found fault with his examples of old gay jokes was somewhat pathetic. It could have been far worse but Steyn is a master of the subtle and didn´t need to be crude.

If you want to see crude and unfunny, just allow a little glimpse of the mechanics of gay sex into your imagination.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Calvinesq, 12/26/2013 11:11:14 AM     (No. 9668275)

First, I think this is a little inside baseball being hashed out by an editor who decided to provide his editorial input with a followup post publicly in The Corner. Steyn, of course, had to respond, but I had never heard of Jason Lee Steorts. Was this an intentional "dust-up"? Just asking.

Second, I think Mark´s retort has a very important concept for all conservatives, and that is his explanation of the term "de-normalize" coined by his Canadian co-hort, Ezra Levant. The Left is constantly arguing that a conservative´s speach is extreme, i.e., out of the norm. We must all fight attempts from so-called progressies to de-normalize us. We ARE normal, and don´t let anyone, including editors, tell us otherwise.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: bugboy, 12/26/2013 11:39:25 AM     (No. 9668338)

Steyn´s article was spot on.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: skywarrior, 12/26/2013 11:59:46 AM     (No. 9668377)

From #2 _ "I know several gay men who abhor this activism, preferring to live quietly and enjoy friends and neighbors regardless of gender preferences. One couple has been together for 30+ years. Longer than many heterosexual couples. This kind of activism is repulsive to them."

My gardeners are a gay couple and are EXACTLY the same. And one of them absolutely cannot stand the local Lesbian community. He says they´re the meanest bunch of ... (B word, can´t say it here)in the universe. I´ve noticed that tendency as well.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: RancherJack, 12/26/2013 12:02:30 PM     (No. 9668383)

Paul Mirengoff as well as Steorst fall into that category I hate .. the self-obsessed opinion writer who rehashes a circular story bout Who Shot John until the resulting muddle of ´then he said when I said´ devolves into a maundering spew of browbeating a ghost over a slight that is so slight that only the blind could mistake the target for an elephant.



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Reply 14 - Posted by: MirJoy, 12/26/2013 1:30:43 PM     (No. 9668512)

Love Steyn - never, ever, disappoints.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: jorgecito, 12/26/2013 1:42:45 PM     (No. 9668525)

The Bob Hope joke truly was eerily prescient ... wow.

The Dean Martin/Frank Sinatra joke was much inferior, but even so I can think of several good reasons for Steyn to have included it -- one of which was that, for me, it provoked thought about the category of humor that consists of "calling people names."

To be sure, the Martin/Sinatra joke was low humor and had a mean edge. But 90% of what passes for humor on current tv shows (Letterman, Stewart et al) is mean-edged.

And why is it still considered mildly funny to call a German a "[censored],"* or a Frenchman a "frog" -- but it at the same time, it is now unacceptable to call a homosexual a "fruit"? (as per Martin/Sinatra)

*My original post was automatically rejected by the site´s software, so I have removed the offending word, which referred to a preparation of cabbage in brine.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Chippewa, 12/26/2013 2:47:59 PM     (No. 9668582)

I do not know if Mark Stein has ever had a real job. If he was eligible I would probably vote for him over almost any candidate for 2016.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Chippewa, 12/26/2013 2:52:36 PM     (No. 9668587)

#6 I deeply regret the demise of National Review. I still subscribe but usually only read two pages. Lilecs and Stein.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: thelmalou, 12/26/2013 5:13:00 PM     (No. 9668737)

Glad Mirengoff came down on the side of Steyn, but it wouldn´t have changed my opinion if he hadn´t. Steyn is beyond brilliant, and has proven himself to be one of the very best culture warriors this nation has ever seen.

Loved Steyn´s reply to the NRO editor. And I agree about NR - Nordlinger, Hanson, Steyn are who I read.


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Reply 19 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 12/26/2013 6:55:47 PM     (No. 9668848)

Sorry, #7, but you picked up at the second page of Steyn´s column. Perhaps that´s why it didn´t make a lot of sense to you.

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