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Paul Ryan: Retirement pay
can´t take over defense budget

USA Today, by Paul Ryan

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Posted By:happywarrior, 12/23/2013 5:24:38 PM

The Bipartisan Budget Act that Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., and I drafted will soon become law. We think it´s a small step toward fiscal discipline in Washington. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimates the bill will reduce the deficit over the next ten years by over $20 billion. And unlike current law, it will provide much-needed relief to our already strained defense budget. One part of the bill has become particularly controversial: the reduction in cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs) for working-age military retirees. The federal government has no greater obligation than to keep the American people safe and we must take

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In his own words. He really is doubling down.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Country Boy, 12/23/2013 5:29:51 PM     (No. 9665869)

I haven´t read much on this, but suspect it is out of control, just like municipal government.

"Service" should mean something, and not just the best career path ahead.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 12/23/2013 5:35:35 PM     (No. 9665874)

Little Paulie Numb-Nuts really working on his CYA. Not buying it, Paulie Babes. You got rolled by one of the dumber Democrats walking the halls of Congress.

Look, I understand that Social Security, Medicare AND Military Pensions need re-working. I get it and I stand ready to do my part; but how about Federal Civilian Pensions?? Do all of them not just one. Oh, right. Patty would stand for it.

Why just the military? It looks like an opening salvo in the new war on the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard. Let´s just call it The War on Our Military and a good reason to elect more former military servicemen and women to Congress!



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Reply 3 - Posted by: Babsathome, 12/23/2013 5:36:58 PM     (No. 9665875)

First Congress needs to fix their BS retirement and perks. The military men and women have worked for many years for less pay and less family life than their Federal counterparts. They were promised a lot of things and they should get them. Congress critters are disgusting.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/23/2013 5:37:08 PM     (No. 9665876)

The politicians were pleased as punch to send the military to very dangerous places where they could easily get their limbs blown off, but when it comes to the military retiring, the politicians do not want to pay them their already vested retirement benefits. No service member or veteran should be voting for any politician, no matter their political party, who advocates anything like that because they obviously see service members and veterans as an easy touch.

You can bet that after taking the veteran´s retirement money those politicians would not give reprogramming that money into new benefits for amnestied illegal aliens a second thought.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: congaree53, 12/23/2013 5:44:36 PM     (No. 9665879)

Paulie
How ´bout no more neocon trillion dollar nation- building wars, and leave the vets alone

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Reply 6 - Posted by: alpha91c, 12/23/2013 5:48:33 PM     (No. 9665883)

I am a retired military officer, and trust me when you compare military retirement to what the unions get and most federal retirees, let alone what congress gets, military retired pay is miserly. Especially when you consider the hazardous job, long periods away from home and family serving in one of the worlds, hellholes, normal 12-16 hour days, etc etc. Military retirement isn´t even based upon your highest base pay/rank. You have to have served in a rank for over two years to retire at that rank´s paygrade. Maybe Rep. Ryan should consider limiting all federal retired pay, and especially that of congress.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: eoddad, 12/23/2013 5:53:34 PM     (No. 9665886)

30 years in the Navy 70 % disabled veteran and I´m not mad about this change. What I´m mad about is that these sorry corrupt politicians started cuts on disabled vets without cutting any fat from anything else. Would Ryan explain why Only veterans. Why not an across the board 1% cut for the entire government, no that would show some fairness. Ryan was Romney´s pick and a darling of the establishment and he could have won and be sitting in the VP seat right now really selling us out.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: peebster, 12/23/2013 6:00:11 PM     (No. 9665892)

...Right. Only gov´t union workers (who far outnumber military retirees) are allowed to have their retirement benefits take over a budget. Because those unions donate a lot more money to these slimeball politicians. Just plain crazy.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rakasha, 12/23/2013 6:00:56 PM     (No. 9665893)

You filthy, stinking son-of-a---! Don´t you DARE talk about ´responsible reform´ when you won´t TOUCH all of the garbage, crapola that our taxes are WASTED on every day!

Until you have beaten your head BLOODY against the wall of stupidity trying to get ´responsible reforms´ for welfare, pork spending, Congressional junkets and the myriad of other things that DESERVE a committee review, stuff your sanctimonious ´justification´ back down your throat and SHUT UP!

Tell me, Senator, what percentage did you cut from retirement benefits of House members? It´s not the AMOUNT that ticks me off, Senator, its the WILLINGNESS to take from those who most DESERVE that money when you won´t TOUCH anyone else.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: P51DMustang, 12/23/2013 6:13:14 PM     (No. 9665900)

Paul Ryan is a LIAR and a thief. He robs quarters from our retired military to pay dollars for Staff raises and bridges to no ware.

Its good to know he is a RINO, along the lines of McCain, Graham, Rubio,and McConnell. We knew that Christy was a RINO, so he does not count. What a disappointment these elites have turned out to be.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/23/2013 6:33:21 PM     (No. 9665916)

In private industry, you make these changes to pensions before the service has begun, ie for new hires. Or you have a transition period. If it is so critical that it must be done at once, there is usually a buy-out.

If the government is so hard up for money, we certainly can´t afford to keep paying 85% of the medical costs for Congress.

The simple facts are that Congress doesn´t care about the servicemen but care a great deal about large weapons systems. Enough so they´ll pay for the latter by cutting benefits to the former.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: hoopsfan, 12/23/2013 6:37:24 PM     (No. 9665919)

Well, I get the point that other govt. programs need reined in, and that federal civilian benefits need to be trimmed, also.

But I have to agree with Ryan that military pension COLAs are a reasonable area for cutbacks. How many private sector workers have a COLA adjustment on a pension? How many even have a pension? The country cannot afford to provide this benefit to military retirees and federal retirees.



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Reply 13 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/23/2013 6:41:52 PM     (No. 9665923)

IF Ryan is willing to do this to disabled Vets, he´ll be coming after social security next.
Why not end Obamaphone programs?
Cut food stamps 50%?
End section 8 housing.
To even TALK about cutting military EARNED retirement is a disgrace.
Ryan is a traitor.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: FunOne, 12/23/2013 6:46:59 PM     (No. 9665927)

Love #2´s statement about Ryan: "You got rolled by one of the dumber democrats walking the halls of Congress."

How true. How can we give any credence to Paul Ryan anymore?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Rakasha, 12/23/2013 6:59:53 PM     (No. 9665937)

I would like to apologize for my post at #9. First, I apologize for not reading the comments before, many of which expressed my thoughts more calmly and coherently.

I also apologize for posting in the ´heat of the moment´. I am still angry beyond belief, and I stand by the underlying thoughts I expressed, however, I should not have blown up in our gracious hostess´ salon. I am sorry.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mamafrog, 12/23/2013 7:14:13 PM     (No. 9665943)

All government pensions should be treated the same way . . . . . . and I expect they will be in next year´s budget. If you get Social Security expect your COLA to be reduced

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Reply 17 - Posted by: curious1, 12/23/2013 7:16:06 PM     (No. 9665945)

As #13 points out, there´s loads of freeloader spending that can be eliminated (not ´cut´) and loads of departments outside the constitutional authority of the federal gov (think EPA, DOE, FDA, DHS, FBI, etc) that can save trillions, before you even think about cutting the military, who aren´t paid that much, but are asked to sign a blank check over to the government when they enlist.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Keekng, 12/23/2013 7:16:10 PM     (No. 9665946)

Tell me Paul, what should take it over, the crappy pork Congress is spending it on?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: LouD, 12/23/2013 7:21:37 PM     (No. 9665951)

Wow! It will reduce the deficit by over $20 billion in the next 10 years! Obama will spend more on vacations in the next three years. I guess we veterans will just have to shoulder one more burden without complaining. The bastards.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: rockytop, 12/23/2013 7:38:28 PM     (No. 9665961)

All government pensions need to be reduced, and I mean all, including Congress, Post Office and all civilian workers. We simply can´t afford these generous benefits any more. Promises were made that can´t be kept, and people need to be honest about this. A good start would be reducing the federal workforce by at least 25% immediately; that would lower future costs.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: fayebeck, 12/23/2013 7:39:50 PM     (No. 9665964)

Face it folks. Government spending will never be cut. No group receiving government money is willing to give up one dime.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: mikkins2, 12/23/2013 7:41:10 PM     (No. 9665965)

Ryan is using talking points fed to him by K-Street lobbyists who are working on behalf of the defense industry.

Civilian contractors are making money hand over fist with bloated payrolls that would make a Boston politician wince. Congress refused to cut spending on equipment that the PENTAGON, you know, the guys who actually use the stuff, said they do not need or want. Members of congress refuse to listen.

That is because the Pentagon doesn´t fund their campaigns nor provide them and their families with "jobs" after their stints are done. That is what the defense industry and its lobbyists do. So who do you think the Republican Establishment and politicians like Ryan are going to listen to when making cuts in defense spending?

Ryan´s spending bill masquerading as a "budget deal" is intended to do more than ensure the defense industry profits. Its a calculated campaign ad that tells big money donors that he will keep taxpayer money flowing unabated into their coffers if they support him.

Ryan is, without a doubt, Romney´s successor as the "most electable guy ever!" Why do you think the Republican Establishment let Ryan put his name on this "budget deal"?

Got Tea?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: hamrman, 12/23/2013 7:47:51 PM     (No. 9665969)

More Broken Promises!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: happywarrior, 12/23/2013 7:50:14 PM     (No. 9665974)

For me it was always a given that liberals have been trying to get their hands on servicemember´s pensions for years, and Patty Murray has come through for them. Now after reading #12´s comments I sadly realize that the RINOs and their supporters have been itching to get their hands on them too.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: KTWO, 12/23/2013 8:18:03 PM     (No. 9666006)

The only good I see in this is theory. If you manage to cut one group it should make it easier to cut others. The others lose the moral argument that no one else is being cut. Those first cut always yell ´why me´ and ´why just us´.

And we do see that argument. The military retirees are saying right now that the civil service pensions should be cut too. And the Congressional ones, and on and on.

And I don´t dispute what the military retirees say, if cuts must be made then make them affect others too.

Frankly, saving $20B in ten years doesn´t sound impressive. Especially when you realize that a government projection is often a convenient fantasy.

Cut $20B somewhere right now, visibly, using accounting standards, and I will be impressed.



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Reply 26 - Posted by: stablemoney, 12/23/2013 8:19:15 PM     (No. 9666009)

Didn´t we just bail out GM and the rest of the auto unions retirement pay, when we had no obligation to do that? Take that back and give it to the veterans.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: fishermanswife, 12/23/2013 8:22:48 PM     (No. 9666014)


Really, Paul? Really?

Why wouldn´t you start with the civilian agency "workforce" first? Why? Why would you start with our heroes? Why?

Really?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Bohallx, 12/23/2013 8:45:26 PM     (No. 9666044)

One of the reasons to hold public hearings is so people can ask questions about the more egregious or stupid stuff in the bill.

This had no public hearings, just two of Congress´ better known doufouses ~ Ryan and Murray.

And, it´s full of garbage.

They sitll can´t coherently answer questions about what they came up with.

Again, we need a bipartisan delegation to visit Ryan in Wisconsin over Christmas and tell him to not bother coming back.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: ctpro, 12/23/2013 9:17:57 PM     (No. 9666073)

I think the COLA cuts to military pensions are the least onerous way the military pensions can be cut. As a military retiree for 12 years, I can safely say they are amongst the best out there, especially for those who have served the past 10 years where pay raises have far exceeded inflation. I am shocked to see what a 22 year old NCO with no college degree can pull down these days... and an O-3 with 4 years in already has pay that exceeds 85% of his cohorts in the civilian sector.... and he can retire with almost half (~2.5% per year) his pay by age 42 and pull this pay down for 35-40 years. Fed employees, who we love to bash, earn ~1% per year, have to buy (highly) subsidized health ins, and usually have to have 30+ years fed/mil time to be retirement eligible (compared to 2o years for the AD mil). There is no comparison between mil and Fed civs re pay and bennies.... mil wins hands down. And anyone who has done time in both will tell you the same. The grunts who have put it on the line deserve more... fer sure, but by and large most of the military I know have it pretty good - and rarely deployed (and those will become rarer still). This is not your father´s military anymore.... much kinder, gentler, better compensated than even 10 years ago let alone the Nam/draft era

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Reply 30 - Posted by: hoopsfan, 12/23/2013 9:56:16 PM     (No. 9666112)

Thanks to #29 for making some informed observations that seem very relevant to this discussion.



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Reply 31 - Posted by: dwa, 12/23/2013 10:07:07 PM     (No. 9666123)

All of you on here that say the military pension system needs to be reformed, I´ll listen to your arguments when and only when the government quits giving tax money to illegals and to those who are more than capable to work but will not work; The military is an easy target because they don´t have unions and cannot "diss" the CoC or members of congress and that scum uses that to the hilt when they act. And don´t even try to compare service in the military to a civilian job, there is no comparison and many of you make it very apparent that you don´t have a concept of what military service requires.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: nonsense, 12/23/2013 10:14:17 PM     (No. 9666125)

What does Paul Ryan get for foisting this horrible deal on the American people? Surely he knows that millions of American voters now think he is a snake oil salesman, and have no respect for the man. Why doesn´t it matter to him? The pay off must be mighty big considering the fall out from his deal with the communist mom in sneakers.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Happywarrior, 12/23/2013 10:32:26 PM     (No. 9666139)

#29, I suggest you go out and meet some more servicemembers, active and retired. We know so many who have been deployed numerous times and many who are wounded. Maybe you could let them know its kinder and gentler and not their fathers military and these cuts are deserved.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: laurenc, 12/23/2013 11:08:17 PM     (No. 9666160)

If someone can retire at age 38, we probably should be looking at their retirement package, considering that some are living to age 80, or older. Retired military are coveted among employers, and they at age 38 should be able to get civilian employment.

If they are disabled vets, no cuts to retirement or benefits. They should get whatever they need. They earned everything we can provide them.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 12/24/2013 3:15:53 AM     (No. 9666235)

I´m all for responsible cuts to spending, but why the military first?

What about all the waste and welfare the federal government funds?

Didn´t we just lose $10 billion on the GM bailout deal?

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Reply 36 - Posted by: ctpro, 12/24/2013 3:56:34 AM     (No. 9666256)

As I said this is probably the least onerous of ways to tackle military compensation. It will have to be tweaked no doubt. I have spent much of the past 16 years in the Mid East, Central Asia and East Africa (i.e. pre/post 9-11) and seen first-hand what our troops do for the American people. I have been in or around the military for over 50 years.... this is the best military in US history... smarter, better shape and just as dedicated as any generation before them...and we pay them well as a result. But there are many (most) who benefit from the cache generated by those relatively few who actually go into harm´s way... most will never hear, smell or feel combat yet will be equally compensated to those who do. These people by design or specialty will likely bounce around stateside slots or overseas in Korea (admittedly an easier assignment than in the past), Europe, or float in the Arabian Sea. There are compensation reforms being discussed that will improve the post-mil compensation of those who aspire to go into harm´s way (SOF, FMF, INF or any tactical fixed or rotary wing aircrew) on a regular basis, and cut the post-mil compensation of those who pushed paper in air-conditioned spaces while billeted in CONUS or Alaska and Hawaii most of their career. I think Ryan, by going after the military on these relatively minor cuts, innoculates the mil from more steep cuts AND also provides him the bona fides to go after the real budget busters - entitlement programs.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Magdalene, 12/25/2013 12:47:59 AM     (No. 9667214)

My Senator, Tom Coburn, has issued his annual "Wastebook". In it he details over $30 billion in wasteful spending. That would have provided the needed funds and a whole lot more.

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Daily Caller, by Alex Pappas    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/15/2014 5:22:51 AM     Post Reply
Neurosurgeon Ben Carson says the White House wanted him to apologize for “offending” President Obama after he famously delivered a conservative message at the National Prayer Breakfast last year. Carson, the former director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital, recalls the events surrounding his 2013 speech in his new book, One Nation: What We Can All Do To Save America’s Future. The Daily Caller obtained an advance copy of the book, which is set for release May 20. “He did not appear to be hostile or angry,” Carson writes of Obama, “but within a matter of minutes after the conclusion of

Obama Generation Losing
Interest in Obama

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Wall Street Journal, by James Freeman    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 4:23:09 PM     Post Reply
President Obama inspired a generation of young people to support his historic election in 2008. And in 2012, despite the struggles of his first term, Mr. Obama still managed to win the support of a full 60% of voters age 18-29. But the man who once dreamed of being a transformative leader in the Reagan mold is inspiring few of those young people to follow his lead. "For all the talk about the movement that elected Mr. Obama, the more notable movement of Obama supporters has been away from politics. It appears that few of the young people who voted

Why You Should Be Sympathetic
Toward Cliven Bundy

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Powerline, by John Hinderaker    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo- 4/15/2014 8:40:58 AM     Post Reply
On Saturday, I wrote about the standoff at Bundy Ranch. That post drew a remarkable amount of traffic, even though, as I wrote then, I had not quite decided what to make of the story. Since then, I have continued to study the facts and have drawn some conclusions. Here they are. First, it must be admitted that legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on. The Bureau of Land Management has been charging him grazing fees since the early 1990s, which he has refused to pay. Further, BLM has issued orders limiting the area on which Bundy’s cows can

Megyn Kelly and the
Sandberg Head Shaker

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American Thinker, by Richard F. Miniter    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/15/2014 9:16:05 AM     Post Reply
Megyn Kelly’s "Kelly File" is a great news show. She’s incisive, informed and customarily handles the toughest guest with aplomb. But her lengthy interview of Facebook C.O.O. Sheryl Sandberg about her second book in the Lean In series Lean In: For Graduates was a head shaker. Amazing that she of all people allowed Sandberg to restring the same old, same old, shamed, and shopworn feminist myths about women and girls and then jangle it in front of her viewing audience like something new out of the box. Indeed Kelly all but genuflected in front of this woman. Kept her on thru

Chelsea Clinton no longer
ruling out politics

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The Hill (Washington DC), by Judy Katz    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 11:57:36 AM     Post Reply
Chelsea Clinton says when people ask her these days whether she wants to go into politics, her answer isn’t an automatic “no.” The 34-year-old former first daughter told Fast Company in an interview published Monday, “for so long the answer was just a visceral no. Not because I had made any conscientious, deliberate decision, but since people had been asking for as long as literally I could remember, it was no." Now, the only child of former President Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton explains, "I live in a city and a state and a country where I

Glaring limits of the Civil Rights
Act: We need to redistribute wealth

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Salon Magazine, by Matt Bruenig    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/14/2014 7:20:41 PM     Post Reply
Although the Civil Rights Act, the landmark legislation which just reached its 50th anniversary, made great strides in desegregating the economy, economic discrimination is still widespread, and anti-discrimination legislation alone can never rectify the economic damage inflicted upon blacks by slavery and our Jim Crow apartheid regime. The Civil Rights Act was a mild reform, all things considered, but one conservatives fought with vigor and one many conservatives are still bitter about to this day. When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, the primary purpose was to root out discrimination in public accommodations (like hotels and movie theaters)

White is not right: Campus admins ask
for help weeding out white people

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Daily Caller, by Robby Soave    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 7:47:18 PM     Post Reply
Western Washington University sent a questionnaire to students asking them for advice on how the administration could succeed at making sure that in future years, “we are not as white as we are today.” The question notes that WWU’s racial make up does not perfectly reflect the nation at large, and asks students to consider strategies that other universities have used to focus on skin color as the paramount indicator of a student-applicant’s worth. The president of WWU has stated that his explicit goal is to reduce the white population on campus, according to Campus Reform. “I’ve said before and I’ll say it

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

White babies just 15 months old show racial
bias when picking playmates, study found

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/15/2014 10:23:35 PM     Post Reply
Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. They also take account of how fairly others behave. Researchers tested the reaction of white 15-month-olds as toys were distributed. Two white adults divided the toys, one equally and the other unequally. Seventy per cent of the toddlers chose to play with the researcher who distributed the toys fairly. But in a second test, when one researcher favoured a white recipient over an Asian one, they picked the ‘fair’ researcher less often, the journal Frontiers in Psychology reports. And the babies are more likely to help those who share the same ethnicity, which is known as

If a nuclear bomb exploded in downtown
Washington, what should you do?

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The Week, by Marc Ambinder    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast

Obama Selects First Openly Gay
Episcopal Bishop to Lead Easter Prayer

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Mediaite, by Andrew Kirell    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 12:46:05 PM     Post Reply
President Obama pulled a surprise move Monday at the White House’s Easter Prayer Breakfast when he selected Gene Robinson to lead the closing prayer. Robinson is famously known as the first openly gay Episcopal bishop. Talking Points Memo’s Tom Kludt spotted the following tweet from Robinson, who was in attendance: (Tweet) Robinson, 66, became diocesan bishop of New Hampshire in March 2004. He retired in January 2013 and is currently a senior fellow at the progressive


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