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If it talks like a duck:
Is America at war with itself?

Daily Inter Lake [Kalispell MT], by Frank Miele

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Posted By:davesenior, 12/22/2013 10:32:24 AM

I can honestly say that the last thing I wanted to write about on the Sunday before Christmas was “Duck Dynasty.”Nonetheless, as I read about the continuing controversy over the comments made by “Dynasty” star Phil Robertson regarding homosexuality, I started to feel like it might be a topic worth exploring.[SNIP]All that really matters is that America is at war with itself.The fight between A&E and Robertson is actually a fight between traditional values and secular humanism, and what it reveals is the deep divide that exists between those two world views that inhabit the same political body.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: dcomd, 12/22/2013 10:45:54 AM     (No. 9664325)

Perhaps it´s time for those of us who espouse traditional values to file for ´divorce´ from those who want to force their progressive, secular humanism down our throats?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: maggie2u, 12/22/2013 10:57:37 AM     (No. 9664333)

Poster #1, I"ve thought that for a long time. We need to divide our country in two. In one country will be all the decent, normal, hard-working, God-fearing patriotic Americans and in the other, all the democrats.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: M2, 12/22/2013 11:02:14 AM     (No. 9664338)

After Frank got the snark out of his system, he wrote a good article, except for this erroneous conclusion:

...that means a significant change is going to happen. Either we are going to become a society where secular humanism will prevail and where preaching from the Bible is going to land you in jail, or we are going to become a society where people with traditional values will fight back against their marginalization and re-establish the so-called moral majority, possibly at the expense of certain liberties which we now take for granted.

No, no, no.

Phil Robertson is just the last straw: His worldview does indeed represent most of America but the gay community, while more vocal and visible, does not. In fact, the gay community wants to silence Christian views.

By contrast, Christians don´t want to silence anybody. We just want to be left alone.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: frenesi1, 12/22/2013 11:07:25 AM     (No. 9664344)

If I am forced to pay for A& E thru cable or dish then they serve the public and should not be allowed to discriminate against Christians....for the same reason the judge forced the baker to make a wedding cake for two gays

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Mildred, 12/22/2013 11:12:18 AM     (No. 9664350)

Did you ever think that this could be just a giant advertising ploy to get a bigger audience and a bigger contract? Who really cares about a bunch of duck guys and what they say or do? Probably the same people who care what Miley Cyrus (the Mensa person) says. I don´t like the way Christians are being treated but why allow it? Ignore it and it will go away and we can go back to being Christians, changing one person at a time. Remember this is Christmas not a backroom bar brawl.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: richwill, 12/22/2013 11:15:18 AM     (No. 9664357)

Robertson has been suspended while the show is not being taped. Once A & E begins taping he will be back to work.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: FunOne, 12/22/2013 11:24:04 AM     (No. 9664367)

#1 and #2: We tried that in 1861, and the big old federal government won--and continued to grow from that point.

Perhaps it is time to try it again. That might be the only hope for retaining Western Civilization.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: angelesgift, 12/22/2013 11:25:15 AM     (No. 9664371)

An excellent article with some very good thoughts. However, I want to point out this: Phil Robertson said that (because of his beliefs) he does not approve of the homosexual lifestyle. Martin Bashir said that (because of his beliefs) Sarah Palin should be assaulted in an incredibly vile manner. These attitudes are not remotely comparable.

So, if we are a country divided, I know which side I´ll choose. Lord love a duck.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: cjjeepercreeper, 12/22/2013 11:37:14 AM     (No. 9664386)

One big problem I have with both sides of this argument. Phil, and the Robertsons, are NOT employees of A&E. The are CONTRACTORS. The relationship between an employee and his employer and a contractor and a contractee is totally different in a legal sense, and can also be very different in a practical sense. So everyone that has looked at this issue from the employer/employee relationship point of view just needs to start all over with their thinking.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/22/2013 11:49:52 AM     (No. 9664401)

It is very nice of A&E to "protect" the gay staffers on the Duck Dynasty show -- i.e., from any perceived insult.

When the Robertson´s leave A&E, these staffers will likely lose their jobs

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Reply 11 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 12/22/2013 12:18:16 PM     (No. 9664450)

The next time a friend , relative, co-worker or even fellow poster asks you why the two parties can´t just sit down and work out a compromise, send them this column. The left has pushed its agenda to the point where this country´s very survival is at stake. I always look forward to reading Frank Miele´s work on Sundays but today I realized that even he may not quite understand the gravity of letting Marxists push us over a cliff- a plunge from which we might not recover.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: raspberry, 12/22/2013 12:18:24 PM     (No. 9664452)

Look, these gay guys say they represent a minority, 5 or 10 percent they once claimed. Why can´t the majority of straight Americans prevail in this silly squabble? All we must do is speak out overwhelmingly in support of traditional Christian values and laugh them down for their untraditional an un-American views. Their argument is mostly propaganda and based on lies and half truths. The nicest thing we can say about their private acts is it is unnatural behavior, and immoral--and that is the truth.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: enuf8, 12/22/2013 12:23:14 PM     (No. 9664459)

Since the Robertsons were ´self-made´ millionaires prior to their A&E association, I see only where A&E has cut off the Nose to spite their face for a few misguided perverts.
A&E has pulled some activity; i.e., doing blips in the shows to allow the viewer to believe profanity was used WHEN It Was Not and A&E was challenged on that and also at the end of a Robertson´s prayer trying to remove "Jesus Christ" which the Robertson´s used and A&E was confronted on that as well.
Looks like A&E tried to sabotage the Robertsons moral values prior to this incident.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 12/22/2013 12:40:43 PM     (No. 9664479)

Thank you #8. FTA: "Nine: A significant portion of the advocates on both sides of this issue are hypocrites. Conservatives who this week say that A&E should not discipline Phil Robertson just two weeks ago were demanding that MSNBC fire Martin Bashir for vilely insulting Sarah Palin."

Phil had identified a particular kind of sin practiced by some homosexuals, and had correctly condemned it with correct reference to the Bible. He had not called for any consequences to be imposed by mankind. He expressed love for them. He affirmed his belief in God´s love for them.

Martin expressed and advocated personal anger at Sarah Palin, and stated that a physical assault and extreme abuse of her was, in his view, understandable.

To be angry at A&E´s abuse of Phil and angry at Bashir´s abuse of Palin is not hypocrisy in the least. Any godly person will be totally in agreement with our anger in *both* cases!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: maggie2u, 12/22/2013 1:24:38 PM     (No. 9664557)

Poster #1, I understand what you´re saying. But the Civil War was started by democrats who wanted to keep Blacks enslaved. I am not calling for another war, but we should be able to ´civilly´ separate from those who want to enslave us to their immoral beliefs.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: dcomd, 12/22/2013 1:47:35 PM     (No. 9664587)

Please forgive the 2nd post.

#15, I concur re. the ´civil´ separation; I´m certainly not advocating the spillage of any blood.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 12/22/2013 10:10:16 PM     (No. 9664959)

#5,staying off the radar and teaching one person at a time might - for a short time - prevent persecution such as the following from happening if you are very careful and don´t "offend" anybody:

Acts 4:3-22
Acts 5:17-42
Acts 6:8 - 8:1
Acts 13:44-51
Acts 14:19-20

Many more examples in Acts and elsewhere, but suffice to say they weren´t keeping silent in the face of persecution. As a Christian, I´m thankful that Christians through the ages didn´t ignore sin and hope it would go away. That isn´t going to happen.

If the Robertson family can be threatened and lose their jobs for voicing their belief in the gospel of Christ, if a photographer can lose a business because of religious beliefs, or a baker, or any number of others who have been persecuted for speaking their religious beliefs (and they have), it might not be wise to believe - unless someone takes a stand for free speech - that we won´t be prevented one day from speaking to that one other person about Christianity, or even letting anyone know what we believe.

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