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Does Phil Robertson
get the Bible wrong?

CNN, by Daniel Burke

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Posted By:Desert Fox, 12/21/2013 8:48:56 AM

The Robertson family of "Duck Dynasty" fame has rallied around its patriarch, saying his controversial comments on homosexuality are "grounded in the teachings of the Bible." But Scripture is fiercely contested ground, and some experts say Phil Robertson misinterprets a key Bible verse. A&E, the network that broadcasts the hugely popular "Duck Dynasty" show, suspended Robertson for a now infamous interview with GQ magazine. In the article, Robertson, who became a born-again Christian in the 1970s after a prodigal youth, is asked to define "sin." Here´s what Robertson says: “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Grace1798, 12/21/2013 8:58:19 AM     (No. 9662808)

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as if he were a woman, both men have committed an offense (something perverse, unnatural, abhorrent, and detestable); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Grace1798, 12/21/2013 8:58:47 AM     (No. 9662810)

Romans Chapter 1 and Chapter 2
1 Corinthians Chapter 6. Very, very clear!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Grace1798, 12/21/2013 9:01:32 AM     (No. 9662817)

Since Jesus came, no one has to die according to the OT Laws which were brutal. But because we are Saved through Christ Who paid for our sins.......we turn from known sin day by day with the power of God and the Holy Spirit. I don´t agree with killing anyone....that´s also evil and SIN. Exodus 20. But...the NT writings are clear on this issue. And anyone who rejects it, is rejecting God and that´s something each individual will have to deal with some day. They can change laws here on earth, but NO ONE changes God´s Laws once you stand before HIM on the day of Judgment.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: dirtyjersey, 12/21/2013 9:01:57 AM     (No. 9662821)

Sorry folks, but this is all starting to smell like a publicity stunt. Have the star make statements that his audience likes, but the corporate brass despise.

Then put him on "suspension", and watch the firestorm. All this just happens to occur right before a new season that´s already filmed...hmmm...

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Reply 5 - Posted by: WI Cynic, 12/21/2013 9:07:02 AM     (No. 9662834)

The passage confuses the author... who probably was also confused by the meaning of the word "is".

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Michaelus, 12/21/2013 9:07:33 AM     (No. 9662837)

I love listening to the pervertophiles try to explain away scripture…..

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Reply 7 - Posted by: eoddad, 12/21/2013 9:15:41 AM     (No. 9662858)

What part of the word Abomination does CNN not understand. The issue is no longer about opinions on anal sex, it has moved on to First Amendment issues called Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Keekng, 12/21/2013 9:22:18 AM     (No. 9662868)

A very easy bible verse to understand. There is no necessity for anyone to re-interpret the meaning of words to justify immoral behavior.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 12/21/2013 9:28:49 AM     (No. 9662879)

CNN would have us believe that the Bible, like the US Constitution, is a living, breathing document that is subject to reinterpretation whenever a reinterpretation is required in order to advance the Left´s agenda. While acknowledging that translating the Bible from the original texts is open to interpretation, it is those translations which have remained constant over the millennia which hold the most validity. God´s word is constant: as it was in the beginning, is now, and forever shall be. And secular liberals who dishonestly attempt to twist God´s word in an attempt to justify their own earthly desires expose themselves as the sinners they are. They are not fooling anyone.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: M2, 12/21/2013 9:30:28 AM     (No. 9662881)

Pro-homosexual groups always twist Scripture to conform to their own desires. Even that is prophecied in 2 Timothy 3-4:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

That said, first of all, the NIV may be the most popular Bible but it isn´t the best translation. There are more accurate versions.

Second, here is a long quote from gotquestions.org, among the better Christian Apologetics websites:

The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God......

..... continued

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Reply 11 - Posted by: M2, 12/21/2013 9:30:46 AM     (No. 9662885)


God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27) and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true with homosexuality.

The Bible is not ambiguous about the proscription against homosexual behavior among men or women. It is clear teaching. Put that together with the prophecy at the beginning of this post and you have Truth, with a capital T.

As for the Bible being "translated by men", that a poor argument: These were men guided by the Holy Spirit, Who doesn´t make mistakes. Using that argument attempts to make all of the Bible null and void. Sorry. It´s a bad argument and an old one.

Trying to mold this teaching like a wax nose only makes the pro-homosexual liberal theologians look worse than they are.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: M2, 12/21/2013 9:32:51 AM     (No. 9662889)

Italics should still be on at the beginning of post #11 until the words, "The same is true with homosexuality.:


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Reply 13 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 12/21/2013 9:36:13 AM     (No. 9662902)

Parse away, Mr. CNN ´Belief Blog Co-Editor´. The vast majority in this country would side with Phil rather than an army of you pointy-headed geeks masquerading as experts.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Freeloader, 12/21/2013 9:42:25 AM     (No. 9662917)

Of course Mr. Robertson is right. What sodomites do with their God given reproductive organs is nowhere supported by Holy Scripture. It´s an abomination...End of story!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: mikkins2, 12/21/2013 9:44:03 AM     (No. 9662918)

I have discussed with a few gay/lesbian friends and family about this issue and each one only had this complaint about Phil Robertson´s remarks. His statement, as it has been published seems to conclude their relationships are comparable with bestiality.
That is what they are in disagreement with.

Not a single one of them supports A&E firing Phil Robertson because they are fans of the show and believe he has a right to answer a question truthfully and not be fired for it.

I do think that A&E has the right to fire Phil if they believe his remarks are detrimental to the company.

I explained to my friends that I do not think the support for Phil Robertson is because every hates them. Its more of a backlash against the selective outrage that is expressed when those who preach and demand tolerance in fact are the ones who have no toleration for opposing views and opinions.

Got Tea?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: nimby, 12/21/2013 9:45:05 AM     (No. 9662919)

And has Daniel Burke ever written a piece entitled" Does Barack Obama get the Constitution wrong?"

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/21/2013 9:49:27 AM     (No. 9662927)

The loud and strident screams from the gay community only show that they KNOW what they are doing is wrong and do NOT want to be reminded of it.
Their efforts towards "gay pride" prove my point.
It is wrong and I cannot accept that lifestyle as being normal. Wave all the pretty flags you want, have your parades, but gays are wrong.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: terrywhite, 12/21/2013 10:03:09 AM     (No. 9662956)

"His statement, as it has been published seems to conclude their relationships are comparable with bestiality." And, this is what gay people are objecting to? That may be what they say, but I doubt that´s the real reason. To what authority do they turn that finds bestiality wrong? I really don´t see much distinction. Both homosexuality and bestiality are perversions of the intended sexual experience; one is sex with the same gender, one is sex with animals. Otherwise, what´s the difference? I think they really resist the idea that there is an objective reality to which they are not adhering (in other words, some things are sins) and the Bible affirms there is judgment for sinners who are not redeemed.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: stealthy, 12/21/2013 10:07:16 AM     (No. 9662966)

Behold, the doctrine of demons. GOD is the same yesterday today and forever. Thankfully his mersies are new every day. Boy do I dislike starting mine with this. The truth is written on their hearts so they will never be happy happy happy while continuing in sin.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Hermoine, 12/21/2013 10:08:58 AM     (No. 9662970)

The good professor finally gets around to admitting the truth at the end of the article:

Even so, scholars such as Allen acknowledge there are no Bible passages that support same-sex relationships, and at least seven that appear to condemn gay sex.

"There´s no way around the fact that those passages take a negative view of homosexuality, and nowhere in the Bible is a positive view offered," Allen said.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Bazi, 12/21/2013 10:20:19 AM     (No. 9662994)

For a refreshing change of pace, what do the religion of peace and the koran say about

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Reply 22 - Posted by: jimK1, 12/21/2013 10:25:28 AM     (No. 9663000)

We all know that Christianity is "out" this year with the progressives, so let´s forget the whole Bible thing. Why don´t we turn to the religion of peace which all good progressives know is true and wonderful and see what islam has to say about the subject.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 12/21/2013 10:42:07 AM     (No. 9663021)

Since Phil Robertson has managed to get the Country focused on the subject of how the Bible views homosexuality and sin, let us imagine the firestorm that would be raging right now if he had talked about the subject of abortion and the passage referring to millstones and God´s anger about harming His little ones.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 12/21/2013 10:46:12 AM     (No. 9663028)

Regarding "experts":

2 Peter 3:
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

FTA: Even so, scholars such as Allen acknowledge there are no Bible passages that support same-sex relationships, and at least seven that appear to condemn gay sex.

"There´s no way around the fact that those passages take a negative view of homosexuality, and nowhere in the Bible is a positive view offered," Allen said. "So conservatives and liberals continue to debate."

This isn´t the only subject where men wrest scripture to try and justify erroneous beliefs. Playing with fire - eternal fire.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 12/21/2013 10:50:40 AM     (No. 9663034)

It´s nice to see that CNN is suddenly concerned about accuracy! Maybe they should start with their broadcasts before going after Phil.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: bugboy, 12/21/2013 10:52:46 AM     (No. 9663037)

FTA: But other Bible experts said the Scripture Robertson cited isn´t quite clear about homosexuality.

Maybe not that verse and I think Phil was assuming all peoples have a handle on the Bible. But lets be specific anyone that believes in the inerrancy of scripture and that it is inspired by the Holy Sprit will take these verses at face value.

Leviticus 18:22 And you shall not lie with a male as lying with a woman; that is a detestable thing.

Now look at Romans 1 with the verses leading up to the premise. In Romans 1For from the creation of the world, his invisible attributes, both his eternal power and deity, are discerned clearly, being understood in the things created, so that they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their reasoning, and their senseless hearts were darkened...

Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to immorality, that their bodies would be dishonored among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God with a lie, and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed for eternity. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to degrading passions, for their females exchanged the natural relations for those contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, abandoning the natural relations with the female, were inflamed in their desire toward one another, males with males committing the shameless deed, and receiving in themselves the penalty that was necessary for their error. And just as they did not see fit to recognize God, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do the things that are not proper,...

There are many so called ´Bible experts´ that have a low view of scripture.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Marzipan, 12/21/2013 10:58:31 AM     (No. 9663049)

Reality check, the emperor is still naked.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/21/2013 10:59:09 AM     (No. 9663050)

Yep, CNN is always the first source I go to when I need clarification on what The Bible says...

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Reply 29 - Posted by: mikkins2, 12/21/2013 11:10:20 AM     (No. 9663082)

"Otherwise, what´s the difference? I think they really resist the idea that there is an objective reality to which they are not adhering (in other words, some things are sins) and the Bible affirms there is judgment for sinners who are not redeemed."

If you cannot see the difference then any further debate is useless. If all you can see is sex and not the love between two people than what hope is there for reasoning.

It has always amazed me that people who claim a christian faith disregard portions of the Bible that they feel are inconvenient nor useful in today´s society.

When G*d stops supporting love between HUMANS, he/she/it has no purpose.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: FLCracker, 12/21/2013 11:10:44 AM     (No. 9663083)

I´m with you, #28.

CNN is now going to explain the Bible and Christianity to me. I am sooo relieved - all with become clear.

Hey, CNN! How about explaining the Muslim view of homosexuality to me, too? Just don´t lose your head over it.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: god of irony, 12/21/2013 11:24:50 AM     (No. 9663114)

#7, This is not about free speech or freedom of religion, it is about the free market(it is not the government firing him). No one has stopped Phil from saying what he wants or believing what he wants. This is a matter of A&E and Phil deciding between making money or sticking by their beliefs and facing the wrath.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: franq, 12/21/2013 11:29:20 AM     (No. 9663122)

Rat own, #21. The cowards in the media will never bring that up, since adherents to the ROP are in the same protected class as "gays".

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Reply 33 - Posted by: lostinmassachusetts, 12/21/2013 11:42:19 AM     (No. 9663147)

The author´s biblical exegesis contains more BS that all the pastures in cattle country. But it´s not surprising: since when is CNN an authority on the things of God?

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Reply 34 - Posted by: kahunavol, 12/21/2013 11:58:58 AM     (No. 9663177)

Re the bestiality issue - Lev 20.13 is where lying with another man is condemned. Lev 20.15-16 states - "If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Phil Robertson didn´t put those issues together, God did.

Here is the real issue at stake in America and the church today, not the conduct itself, but Isaiah 5.20 and 21-
Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
and shrewd in their own sight!

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Reply 35 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 12/21/2013 4:58:23 PM     (No. 9663596)

The Robinsons need to huddle and come back with a conversion to Islam and quote the Koran on the issue. (Not really) but it would be fun to see A&E try to fashion a response.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: mitzi, 12/21/2013 5:37:35 PM     (No. 9663629)

I thought that the whole thing with Protestants is that they are each free to interpret as they see fit. That there is no authority to tell them what to believe. That they don´t need any intermediary between themselves and God and his Word.

What´s the deal? Do you allow personal interpretation or not?

Is CNN now the Protestant Magisterium?

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The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM     Post Reply
It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

White House blames fox for
destroying Michelle’s garden

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Daily Caller, by Vince Coglianese    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:59:04 PM     Post Reply
The White House is going to war with another fox — and this time, it’s personal. The Wall Street Journal reports that a red fox has been causing chaos around the White House, tripping security alarms, digging up Michelle’s garden and distracting the president from his duties. The Secret Service won’t give any details about how often the fox trips the White House’s obviously sophisticated security alarms, but rest assured, officials say, they’re watching. President Obama was apparently “stunned” to see the fox roaming freely down the oft-photographed White House colonnade, home to the world’s shortest, but most dramatic, outdoor strolls. The bushy-tailed visitor

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Living in the New York Times World
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American Thinker, by J. Paul Masko    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/19/2014 7:48:36 AM     Post Reply
I began reading the entirety of the first section of the New York Times at nine years old, and continued that practice, more or less, for decades.(snip) ...the power of reverence, intrinsic to what I call the “cascade” of The Times: the near avalanche-like flow and distribution of information through electronic and print networks: through like-minded network newscasts, magazines, local newspaper s, blogs, daytime talk TV, late-night entertainment, statements at media award ceremonies, the celebrity Twitterverse, etc. The cascade rolls through Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, The New Yorker, the mouths of third-grade teachers, Elmo, Madonna and Susan Sarandon …through

In a Hole, Golf Considers
Digging a Wider One

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New York Times, by Bill Pennington    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/19/2014 10:48:33 AM     Post Reply
GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

Obama: ´For me, Easter is a story of hope,
a belief in a better day to come´

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/19/2014 9:16:36 AM     Post Reply
Hi, everybody. For millions of Americans, this time of year holds great meaning. Earlier this week, we hosted a Passover Seder at the White House, and joined Jewish families around the world in their re-tellings of the story of the Exodus and the victory of faith over oppression. And this Sunday, Michelle, Malia, Sasha, and I will join our fellow Christians around the world in celebrating the Resurrection of Christ, the salvation he offered the world, and the hope that comes with the Easter season. These holy days have their roots in miracles that took place long ago. And yet, they still inspire us, guide us, and strengthen us today. They remind us of our

Harry Reid calls dissident Nevada ranchers
´domestic terrorists´ following show of
force against the federal government

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 4/19/2014 9:29:17 AM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:09:17 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Ann Coulter takes up ‘Mitt
Romney for President’ chant again

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 7:03:28 PM     Post Reply
Conservative columnist Ann Coulter — who used her talk show platform in the last presidential election cycle to campaign hard for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney — has taken up the mantra once again, calling on Republicans to give the failed White House bidder another shot in 2016. She made the suggestion during a discussion on Sean Hannity’s radio show while speaking of her new book, “Never Trust a Liberal Over 3-Especially a Republican.” Ms. Coulter also addressed the question of Mr. Romney’s shortcomings by saying that his 2012 loss wasn’t entirely his fault. “I think too much blame, not only in this

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