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Obamacare’s Silent Insurers
Tribune Media Services, by Jonah Goldberg

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Posted By:StormCnter, 12/18/2013 5:19:17 AM

When will the insurers revolt? It’s a question that’s popping up more and more. On the surface, the question answers itself. We’re talking about pinstriped insurance-company executives, not Hells Angels. One doesn’t want to paint with too broad a brush, but if you were going to guess which vocations lend themselves least to revolutionary zeal, actuaries rank slightly behind embalmers. Still, it’s hard not to wonder how much more these people are willing to take. Even an obedient dog will bite if you kick it enough. Since Obamacare’s passage, the administration has constantly moved the goalposts on the industry. For instance, when

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Country Boy, 12/18/2013 5:32:34 AM     (No. 9658239)

A lot of banks, but NOT all the banks, dangled over the precipice in the crash of 2008. Some of them saw it coming, and refused to purchase large quantities of the junk mortgages being packaged by FNMA and Freddie Mac.

The common theme, 2008 and now, is that many large company CEOs are surprised by the level of bad acting (incompetence or felony conspiracy) that the government can produce.

obamaCare, same massive scam, different name, different day.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/18/2013 5:46:27 AM     (No. 9658250)

I´ve been thinking the same thing and why they´re so quiet abut what´s being rammed down their throats.People in the banking indusry are probably under the same quandry.I can´t igine a more destructive force than Obama but somehow he stays in relatively good standing with the public.

As incompetent as Obama is ,he´s hard to fight because of his rank incompetency..

The big thing is scandal.That´s the only thing that really gets people´s attention and Obama´s been very clever at escaping it.They´re still writing new Benghazi narratives which diminish the real meaning of what happened,hoping to bury the story forever with the additional incentive of cleansing Hillary shoddy record.

Obama has the power to make anyone´s life hell with threats of government investigations. There´s so many obscure rules and regs in the federal registry,they could dig something up on anybody. They used a rarely enforced reg against the owners of Gibson Guitar which cost them over a million to defend.The gov´t has bottomless pockets to persecute and prosecute anybody into bankruptcy.

On top of that nobody can possibly know if they´re being spied on and that Obama could use the info to ruin their existence.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rinktum, 12/18/2013 6:43:20 AM     (No. 9658302)

We have tolerated the growth of big government for decades because it was a far away entity that for the most part did not threaten the livelihoods of average Americans. We grumbled and groused but were confident that the government wouldn´t actually actively move against us. All that changed with Obama. He and his administration are more than happy to use the power of the United States government against individuals and private companies. We now have an oppressive tyrannical government breathing down out necks because it can. No one stands up to the government bullies as they seek to bring us into total compliance.

Either we as individuals and private companies start pushing back hard against this imperial president and his out of control departments and agencies or freedom as we have known it is lost forever.

Government tyranny and a complicit media are a recipe for disaster. The outrageousness of this administration is a call to every freedom loving American to stand up now or forever be known as the generation that could not be bothered to resist the tyranny that is barreling down upon us. Obama is achieving what standing armies could not. Powerful men need to stand up now because although Obamanomics may eat them last, they still will surely be eaten for this beast has a voracious appetite.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: wtm, 12/18/2013 7:27:59 AM     (No. 9658348)

What I do not understand, is, can´t these Insurance Companies understand that Obama really wants to put them out of business ?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: raspberry, 12/18/2013 7:31:32 AM     (No. 9658350)


The "huge guaranteed profits stemming from the diktat of the health insurance mandate" bought them off and now they cannot talk or act independently. Another great giant step in the death of American free enterprise has been accomplished. Higher premiums, higher deductibles--can we go back? I think not since too many are now corrupted. Pray for America.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Poobah, 12/18/2013 7:34:00 AM     (No. 9658354)

Referring to the insurance company executives, the article says, “Sure, they have obligations to shareholders, but their obligations do not end there. Can’t one of them resign on principle and speak up? Or are their mouths so stuffed with gold that they couldn’t get the words out even if they tried?”

Jonah Goldberg is supposed to represent the conservative wing of the press. He’s supposed to be sympathetic with the difficulties of the American businessman -- to appreciate how much they add to our standard of living through their devotion to their jobs, their intelligence and hard work, and their sacrifice of home life and leisure – all in the cause of keeping the world running smoothly. Instead, he comes up with phrases like, “their mouths so stuffed with gold”.

Do you wonder why those executives question whether their attempts to “speak up” would meet with a fair hearing?


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Reply 7 - Posted by: Starlady, 12/18/2013 7:38:46 AM     (No. 9658356)

They are silent because they have been threatened by the WH. They speak through the PR executive of their association according to a posted article here approximately one month ago.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Really?, 12/18/2013 8:00:14 AM     (No. 9658382)

It is wrong to equate "insurance companies" with the Executives that are allowed to run them. I see many employees agents and others who are disgusted with the whole premise of ACA, but who need their jobs to stay afloat.

Most people in the industry know the truth, and it is ugly.

The only hope now is an overwhelming tide of Republican victories in 2014. Without it we are all toast...including those who voted for Democrats.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 12/18/2013 8:19:48 AM     (No. 9658416)

I join #6 in questioning Jonah´s subtle derision of the insurance industry. It´s not just the LoFos that misunderstand the vital importance of insurance in our society. It is governed by the law of large numbers and by design and necessity pays money out to a small number of claimants. As a society we have disdain for insurance companies all week long but can´t wait to get to the casino on Saturday night.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: MattMusson, 12/18/2013 8:21:25 AM     (No. 9658418)

Insureres exist at the pleasure of the President. If HHS does not subsidize them they will go under.

Also, there is that whole pesky thing about the NSA monitoring all their phone calls and web travels.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 12/18/2013 8:21:56 AM     (No. 9658419)

The executives who had their "mouths stuffed with gold" will not be the ones to suffer when we end up with a single-payer system. They will grab their exit bonuses from the coffers as they wave goodbye to their employees.

And we the citizens will finally figure out that we must vote for, and contribute to Democrats in order to get approval for that surgery we need.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: M2, 12/18/2013 8:24:26 AM     (No. 9658422)

Just go ahead and extend the deadline for paying, she urged insurers; we’ll work out the paperwork later.

That will eventually rank right up there with "If you like your plan...."

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Reply 13 - Posted by: dagger, 12/18/2013 8:24:55 AM     (No. 9658424)

The Insurers CEO´s and their boards know and have known full well that the intention down the road is single payer. They are counting on being "stuffed with gold" in the interim and on the fact that even in single payer the Gov. with its glaring incompetence will have to contract out the health insurance services to surviving companies. Each hopes that when the constriction comes in the industry it will be the other guy that loses out. They also have clearly been threatened by the WH. A shareholders lawsuit claiming planned destruction of the corporate value and thus shareholders interest might stiffen some backbones and offset some WH pressure. I will not hold my breath.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Jebediah, 12/18/2013 8:48:47 AM     (No. 9658465)

It is hard to feel great sympathy for the insurance companies, who were front and center with Obamacare when it looked like they would they would profit immensely. Now they are the (latest) scapegoats. And then of course there is the AARP, an organization that claims to represent those of us over 55 but in actuality represents only itself and Big Givernment!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: geoguy, 12/18/2013 8:51:26 AM     (No. 9658473)

Posters #6 and #9, you lack understanding what you are describing are capitalism and companies who are willing to duke it out in the market place. However, Jonah is describing crony capitalists who use government to take an unfair advantage of the market and eliminate competition and fair pricing.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: GoPack, 12/18/2013 9:09:14 AM     (No. 9658499)

People here forget that the witch Angela Braly, the former CEO of WellPoint, did do one decent thin in taking a brave stand against ObamaCare, to the point that there was a full page writeup in the WSJ about how ObamaCare wouldn´t work. And WellPoint paid a big price for it. Just as one example, their head of investor relations got audited by the IRS after he put some not-so-flattering news out about ObamaCare in an investor call. Sebelius would also call friendly state insurance commissioners and tell them to pay particular attention to WellPoint´s rate filings. Further, WellPoint also does a ton of business with CMS in Medicare Advantage, and processing Medicare A & B claims. It´s like doing business with the mob.



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Reply 17 - Posted by: Poobah, 12/18/2013 9:40:40 AM     (No. 9658541)

Lucianne should inaugurate a new feature called, "Post of the Day" awarded to the best post in any thread. Rinktum´s post number 3 above should win.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab, 12/18/2013 10:02:49 AM     (No. 9658586)

Don´t forget that 0bama has hinted that the insurance companies that acquiesce to his dictates will get some of that sweet, sweet FIAT money that Bernanke prints out in the tens of billions of dollars per month to give to their Wall Street cronies, and that Yellin promises to increase when she takes over the reins at the Federal Reserve.

All these big businesses that are ´Too Big To Fail´ just salivate over the idea of having the taxpayers give them money so that they don´t have to actually produce anything, or compete in a free market system.

And as long as they get their cash NOW, they don´t care that they are part of a fraud that will cause Weimarian / Zimbabwean levels of hyperinflation, and eventually the complete collapse of the world economy.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: maryc, 12/18/2013 10:28:07 AM     (No. 9658634)

Madoff´s dealings were more honest than obamacare. At least people had the option to say no.


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Reply 20 - Posted by: peterfleming, 12/18/2013 10:46:40 AM     (No. 9658667)

Over the years, studying the corruption in Hollywood, we invented a phrase, THE RULE OF SILENCE. Once explained, it is the easiest rule to prove. In Hollywood,
Any films on the subject of communism, or anti communism, are forbidden, prohibited ! Proof? There are none! 60 years of NONE ! Breitbart, Ben Shapiro, Roger L Simon and the legendary David Mamet, have all opened up the subject of Hollywood communist controlled propaganda in their best selling books. But to this day, THE RULE OF SILENCE prevails with a heavy, threatening hand. Nobody speaks out ! !

The medical insurance industry, too, totally dominated
by THE RULE OF SILENCE. Jonah provides no answers except stuffing their mouths with gold.. One spokesman or spokeswomen could tell us us, reveal to us, how they have been roped into all this fascist destruction. One person can do this.

Right or wrong, Eric Snowden ripped open the NSA RULE OF SILENCE. Each government dominated industry needs an insider whistleblower/patriot to risk his or her life to speak the truth.

Imagine, under orders from our own Reid Puglosi Jaret
Fascist dictators, MILLIONS of families have had their insurance STOLEN from them. Heil Hitler, or what ?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Butch59, 12/18/2013 10:55:09 AM     (No. 9658678)

Not just insurers but just about any company, when promised having huge jumps in profits, will jump at the chance. I don´t like it any more than Jonah. But the real problem here is the government for being allowed to make these promises. And it all seems to revolve around re-elections. Each and every one of both parties will do just abut anything to get re-elected. It´s a sad commentary on the state of our (once) union.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: strike3, 12/18/2013 12:03:22 PM     (No. 9658794)

These insurance company execs knew that they were hopping into bed with the devil from day one of the ACA. Indeed many of them and their lobbyists helped to design the money-gobbling monstrosity. They didn´t foresee that they would be screwed by their own handiwork.

Let us not lose sight of the fact that average, everyday Americans are killing this beast because, without our money, insurance companies, the ACA and the US Government are all going to die. We answer to a higher power than shareholders.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: pensom2, 12/18/2013 1:46:19 PM     (No. 9658924)

My friend, a recently-retired health insurance broker, says that the Obamacare fiasco is working just as Zippy hoped and predicted: by 2016, the entire country will be "bailed out" by single-payer, socialized medicine, and everyone in the health care industry will be as beholden and dependent on the federal government as are federal employees today.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: absalom, 12/18/2013 3:23:02 PM     (No. 9659057)

#15 and Jonah Goldberg are on the mark. The insurance industry is larded w/crony capitalists, just as the auto and banking industries were during Bush´s massive bailouts in ´08. In fact, many of the biggest financial supporters of hard left D´s are ´big business´ types in it for their subsidies and tax breaks. Suggest several posters acquaint themselves w/Adam Smith´s warning about the corrupting influence on free markets of these the frauds and hustlers.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: absalom, 12/18/2013 3:25:33 PM     (No. 9659059)

#15 and Jonah Goldberg are on the mark. The insurance industry is larded w/crony capitalists, just as the auto and banking industries were during Bush´s massive bailouts in ´08. In fact, many of the biggest financial supporters of hard left D´s are ´big business´ types in it for their subsidies and tax breaks. Suggest several posters acquaint themselves w/Adam Smith´s warning about the corrupting influence on free markets of these frauds and hustlers.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: busterman, 12/18/2013 8:08:26 PM     (No. 9659328)

Follow the money.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 12/18/2013 11:21:19 PM     (No. 9659609)

The first sentence of #3´s third paragraph sums it up. But, come on, ObieCare Insurer CEOs, say something, anything. Time to come clean and be heard.

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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

Harry Reid Doubles Down on Bundy
Ranch: ´If They´re Patriots, We´re
in Big Trouble´

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Breitbart Big Government, by Kerry Picket    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 9:39:40 PM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Friday stood by his statement regarding embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, saying on KSNV’s What’s Your Point?, “If anyone thinks by any figment of their imagination that what happened up there last week was just people rallying to somebody that was oppressed, 600 people came in armed. They had practiced. They had maneuvered.” Reid continued, “They knew what they were doing. They set up snipers in strategic locations with sniper rifles. They had assault weapons. They had automatic weapons. And they boasted about the fact that they put women and children, in fact one

Those ‘rogue’ agents
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New York Post, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:37:07 AM     Post Reply
Remember when Lois Lerner, in answering a planted question at an American Bar Association conference, admitted the IRS had targeted conservative groups but tried to pass it off as the work of rogue agents — “our line people in Cincinnati”? Today we know there were indeed federal agents involved. But they weren’t rogue, and they weren’t confined to IRS workers in Cincinnati. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request by Judicial Watch, we now have an e-mail Lerner sent to colleagues noting the Department of Justice was looking into criminal prosecutions of these tax-exempt groups. We know something else, too. These investigations

Glen Campbell has been
moved into a facility

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People Magazine, by Gilliam Telling    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 4/17/2014 6:58:48 PM     Post Reply
Glen Campbell has been suffering from Alzheimer´s for over three years, but the Grammy-winning singer, 78, has recently moved into a facility, PEOPLE has confirmed. "He was moved to an Alzhemier´s facility last week," says a family friend. "I´m not sure what the permanent plan is for him yet. We´ll know more next week." The "Rhinestone Cowboy" crooner first opened up about having Alzheimer´s to PEOPLE in an exclusive 2011 interview. Campbell and his fourth wife, Kim Woolen, decided to go public with the news because Campbell hoped to embark on a final farewell live tour. The couple wanted his


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