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Paul Ryan Budget Deal Cuts Military Pensions to
Pay for Spending Increases

Breitbart´s Big Government, by Matthew Boyle

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Posted By:mikkins2, 12/16/2013 9:46:52 PM

The budget deal that House Budget Committee chairman Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) made with Senate Budget Committee chairwoman Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) cuts military pensions to pay for immediate spending increases, CNN Money’s Jennifer Liberto reports. The bill raises spending by $63 billion over the next couple of years. “The deal cuts pension cost of living raises by 1 percentage point for military retirees who aren´t disabled and not yet 62 years old,” Liberto wrote last week. Cost of living hikes are automatic raises intended to keep up with inflation. The problem is, most military retirees are a lot younger than private

Mr. Ryan and you managed to cut how much in welfare benefits as well?

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Reply 1 - Posted by: ruready?, 12/16/2013 9:48:47 PM     (No. 9656680)

What kind of trance has fallen over the GOP? Why did we not recognize who they were sooner?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: god of irony, 12/16/2013 9:59:28 PM     (No. 9656692)

Just for the record this is the same type of budget Ryan was proposing in 2012 that a whole lot of Republicans were slobbering over when they were trying to gin up support for Romney.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rinktum, 12/16/2013 10:02:38 PM     (No. 9656694)

Despicable. There is no way Ryan can justify this. These pathetic politicians just do not get it.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: TXknitter, 12/16/2013 10:05:04 PM     (No. 9656697)

Ryan knows exactly what he is doing. Time to get rid of him too.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Cor-vet, 12/16/2013 10:10:13 PM     (No. 9656701)

As long as those poor Government Unionists don´t lose any of their pensions or be required to contribute to their health plans, our elites will be OK!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 12/16/2013 10:11:54 PM     (No. 9656704)

There was a time, not long ago, when a good many elected representatives had military experience. This is what you get when those who write the laws have no idea what it takes (In Blood) for them to have the privilege. AND JOHN McCAIN I NEVER AGAIN WANT TO HERE ABOUT YOUR SERVICE. This is the most despicable action I can imagine of someone who claims war hero status.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 12/16/2013 10:23:23 PM     (No. 9656712)

Ryan´s interview with the Weekly Standard put an entirely different light on the pension issue.
"It´s very clear that without this deal two things would happen:
The military would have borne the full force of these cuts starting in January.
And we would have at least one more government shutdown drama.”

"The pension reform only affects servicemembers who have served the 20 years necessary
to qualify for a pension (just 20 percent of all veterans) and retired before the age of 62.

The bill has a "catchup provision" so that at age 62 the retiree´s pension goes up to where it would have been without the COLA reduction.
"I don´t think people know there´s a catchup provision," said Ryan.
"Once they hit the age of 62,
this provision recalculates their benefits so they get the full adjustment for inflation
and their pension pay goes up as if nothing had happened. And from then on they have full inflation protection."
In addition, nothing happens until 2016 -on purpose.
"We delayed this provision so that it doesn´t take effect until the year 2016,
which gives Congress and the military community time to address the broader compensation issue,
including this provision,
if people believe there´s a better way to solve this problem," he said.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 12/16/2013 10:28:06 PM     (No. 9656715)

I read The Weekly Standard article and stand by my post. The "pass it now and we will fix it later" dodge is a liars ploy to pass crap.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/16/2013 10:32:37 PM     (No. 9656718)

Diminish the worth of already vested military pensions and back an amnesty for millions of illegal aliens so that they can qualify for government benefits, that bait and switch is not going to do the Republicans much good in the next election.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 12/16/2013 10:41:59 PM     (No. 9656724)

It seems that while the Mighyt Wind blew across the Great Plains a few facts were left behind at the HufPo.

The million dollar question for all the Establishment Republican types is, why is it just the Military Pensions affected and not Federal Retirees?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: JediJerry, 12/16/2013 11:10:56 PM     (No. 9656736)

I am beyond disappointed. I am so freakin mad right now my heads is going to explode. Any deal involving Patty Murray is guaranteed to be a scam and a farse. Shame on Ryan for shamelessly cutting the military´s benefits. If anything they should be increasing military benefits and cutting food stamp increases. I´m done with Ryan and Boehner too. They are all sell outs.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: god of irony, 12/16/2013 11:40:07 PM     (No. 9656750)

Experts say that it will costs us about $70,000. Add that on top of the return of the zero defect standards to cut personnel numbers. no mission statements, low moral, change in morality standards, highly restrictive rules of engagement, abandonment by civilian leadership, pay not keeping up with inflation, benefits being cut, training cut, dwindling support back home and it really makes career soldiers wonder why they serve.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Silly Old Me, 12/16/2013 11:41:57 PM     (No. 9656753)

#7 and others: two points. First, the guy who retires at 40 (typical enlisted) still loses the cost of living $ between 40 and 62 years of age. Second, midway in my career, 1970, retirees were still trying to get the recalculation they had been promised in the early 50´s. Political promises are not worth spit! Retired Master Sergeant.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: bluefindad, 12/17/2013 12:28:30 AM     (No. 9656769)

Sorry guys, but I have to disagree with majority opinion. I have known a lot of veterans who retired in their forties or early fifties and immediately got jobs as DoD civilians or contractors. "Double-dipping" is a very common practice.

These guys make very good money between their pension plus employment until they enjoy their second retirement in their early sixties.

I am not condemning the practice - I am simply pointing out that the vast majority of military retirees do not live exclusively on their pension, and that a temporary cut in the COL increase is not such a despicable thing. Of course, those who are disabled should be excepted.

By the way, I am a veteran.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: pensom2, 12/17/2013 1:26:11 AM     (No. 9656783)

I am also a veteran and I agree with #14. Too many people read the headline and are unfamiliar with the details outlined in post #7.

Make exceptions for disabled veterans. Somehow, force the government to at least be honest with its veterans, rather than making them sue to receive the promised benefits they have duly earned.

And, impose the same rules for government employees who retire before age 62--including "retired" U.S. Senators and Congresspersons.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: miceal, 12/17/2013 2:00:12 AM     (No. 9656787)

IF this applies to ALL Federal Retirees, I´m for it. If just the Military...BeeEss! Military Retiree from 1994....

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Reply 17 - Posted by: losgatos, 12/17/2013 2:38:26 AM     (No. 9656791)

I must defer to our two vets, 14 and 15. My office had many young military retirees working toward another government pension so I don´t find a problem with this with the exception of the disabled vets.
Additionally, I´d like to just get this budget deal out of the way and go back to bashing Obamacare.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: smcchk, 12/17/2013 3:12:44 AM     (No. 9656794)

Not many folks, even in the Federal Government, can retire around the age of 40. Protect any disabled vet and this should not be a deal breaker. It is time to start campaigning for ´14 and starting with a budget passed and no shutdown is a good place to start. For those who scorn at Patty Murray, she is the Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman. Who was Ryan supposed to work this out with, the Tooth Fairy? This is the way the Congress is intended to work, with participation from both sides, much as some here are loathe to admit it.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Kerryman, 12/17/2013 3:21:55 AM     (No. 9656795)

Since the reason for this is to restore the Defense sequester cuts, they are being asked to repay the government for their ammunition usage and renting their weapons for their careers, at minimum.

This should only go into effect for those who have more than one year left in their first enlistment as well as all federal employees employed less than two years who would have the same COLA restriction from retirement to age 62.

As this exists, it´s garbage.

It´s a shame Congressman Ryan forgot his tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Whoops! Never mind.

Semper Fi

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Reply 20 - Posted by: mikkins2, 12/17/2013 3:32:24 AM     (No. 9656796)

Once again, just how much did Ryan get in cuts to welfare benefits to help share the load the military is being told it must bare?

Working at far less than minimum wage to defend your country for 20 years should entitle one to earn a pension without any stipulations as whether you decide to get another job and get paid for it when NOTHING is being asked of those DOING NOTHING and getting paid for it.

Also, once again, all of this is being done to facilitate Ryan´s wet kiss to even more rampant spending by our government that Republicans supposedly are supposed to be fighting against.

Everything posted above not addressing these basic points is just an excuses to avoid the actual issue of more spending and no cuts to welfare entitlements.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Trigger2, 12/17/2013 4:43:59 AM     (No. 9656820)

Ryan & Murray should have cut congressional pay. We´re not getting our money´s worth.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Rakasha, 12/17/2013 6:06:39 AM     (No. 9656834)

#´s 14&15, I hope you will excuse me for disagreeing with you. As someone who did not serve, I am grateful beyond my ability to express for people like you. One way I can express it, however, is to state that I do not feel it a waste of my tax dollars to compensate men and women who risk everything in defense of their country.

This money was promised to our veterans as partial payment for not only the physical risk and potential hardships they might face on the battlefield, but also for the hardships placed on their families and the time that they have lost when they could have been building a business or a career.

The fact that people like you, #´s 14&15, are willing to sacrifice once again for your country, only reinforces my determination that you should be provided this compensation. And, as others have noted, the fact that our ´rulers´ in Washington are willing to take from those who have served our nation but not from anyone else is completely disgusting.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: hamrman, 12/17/2013 6:30:49 AM     (No. 9656849)

This guy is a disgrace and disrespects our men and women who have served...

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Reply 24 - Posted by: byzantine, 12/17/2013 6:35:48 AM     (No. 9656853)

I lost what little respect I had for Paul Ryan way before this, when he decided to pose for TIME photographers dressed like a socially retarded Frat Boy in a T-shirt, basketball pants, and backwards baseball cap, lifting dumbbells. It was his Dukakis-in-a-Tank moment. It told me he was never serious about Conservative philosophies or agendas.

And people still ask me why I didn´t vote..

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The cash infusion by the federal government is actually going to help the city pay pensions, even though they´re playing a kind of shell game with the money. As for "blight removal," perhaps they could start with city hall. Reuters: Michigan officials and President Barack Obama´s Administration are discussing a plan to free up $100 million in federal money to aid Detroit´s retired city workers, the Detroit Free Press reported on Tuesday. Citing two people familiar with the talks, the newspaper said the talks were centered around federal money flowing to Michigan for blight removal. Under the plan, $100 million

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