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Short-cut to produce hydrogen
seen as step to cleaner fuel

Reuters, by Alister Doyle

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Posted By:markinalpine, 12/8/2013 1:03:00 PM

OSLO - Scientists have produced hydrogen by accelerating a natural process found in rocks deep below the Earth´s surface, a short-cut that may herald the wider use of what is a clean fuel, a study showed on Sunday. Used in rockets and in battery-like fuel cells, hydrogen is being widely researched as a non-polluting fuel, but its use is so far hampered by high costs. A few hydrogen vehicles are already on the roads, such as the Honda FXC Clarity and Mercedes-Benz F-Cell, and more are planned. Researchers in France said aluminum oxide speeded up a process by which hydrogen

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici, 12/8/2013 1:19:19 PM     (No. 9645501)

Where are they planning to get the energy from to extract the hydrogen?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: TheMom, 12/8/2013 1:30:39 PM     (No. 9645517)

Bob Inglis must be wetting himself right about now. Hydrogen is his pet method to save the world.


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Reply 3 - Posted by: JediJerry, 12/8/2013 1:37:57 PM     (No. 9645522)

Chevy will be coming out with the next big thing in hydrogen powered vehicles. The Hindenburg GTZ06.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 12/8/2013 2:04:53 PM     (No. 9645542)

Nobody is going to find a process for producing hydrogen that is more efficient than splitting water. I don´t think that splitting olivine in situ is practical, and splitting it in refineries is never going to win even with a catalyst. And the hydrogen is still nasty to store and transport - except as water!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/8/2013 2:18:36 PM     (No. 9645560)

According to the EPA, the US is producing 13 million short tons of chlorine a year, or 26 billion pounds. In the process, they make over 0.7 billion pounds of hydrogen. Once largely vented to the atmosphere, the gas can be collected and burned with natural gas to generate the electricity for the process or burned in chlorine to produce HCl. The problem isn´t generating hydrogen, its getting it safely and economically to the power plant.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: absalom, 12/8/2013 3:14:24 PM     (No. 9645606)

Sand, water and chemicals, similar to hydraulic fracturing, are used to release hydrogen.
Hydrogen and electricity, both fads and fantasies, that a genius like Edison dismissed; remain the holy grail for the enviro nuts; desperate to replace the internal
combustion engine. Our present and future power source is Methane Gas, in which the USA is now self sufficient. Would be nice if Doyle knew anything about chemistry or science.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Twinkle93, 12/8/2013 4:38:47 PM     (No. 9645671)

When you burn hydrogen you get energy and water is the combusition product. That same amount of energy as a minimum is required to reverse the reaction to yield hydrogen and oxygen.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Bur Oak, 12/8/2013 5:12:12 PM     (No. 9645701)

Hydrogen isn´t an energy source unless you´re a star.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 12/8/2013 8:22:45 PM     (No. 9645841)

Gee, so all we have to do is produce heat at 500 degrees F and enormous pressure. Wow, how simple. Oh wait. How much energy would be required to achieve those conditions? Yeah right, never mind.

So scientists have figured out how to replace an enormously expensive process with one just slightly less expensive and some dopes think we are close to massive commercial production of hydrogen? Give me a break! Who knows what wonders the future will hold but lets stop drooling over every little scientific step like it is the Holy Grail of energy.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: terry_tr6, 12/8/2013 9:46:30 PM     (No. 9645889)

hydrogen is a difficult fuel to work with. Ask the guys down at KSC who use it to fuel rockets

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Reply 11 - Posted by: drkillj0y, 12/9/2013 3:37:29 AM     (No. 9646031)

FTA "using temperatures of between 200 and 300 degrees Celsius (400-570 Fahrenheit) at a pressure equivalent to twice the depth of the deepest ocean."

300C and 32000 psi ?
That´s going to be real economical to process in trillions of cubic-foot per year quantity...

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