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Nelson Mandela, Communist
New York Times, by Bill Keller

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Posted By:MDMuskrat, 12/8/2013 10:12:21 AM

IN 2011, the British historian Stephen Ellis published a paper concluding that Nelson Mandela had been a member of the South African Communist Party — indeed, a member of its governing Central Committee. Although Mandela’s African National Congress and the Communist Party were openly allied against apartheid, Mandela and the A.N.C. have always denied that the hero of South Africa’s liberation was himself a party member. But Ellis, drawing on testimony of former party members and newly available archives, made a convincing case that Mandela joined the party around 1960, several years before he was

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A Bill Keller whitewash of a Communist. Enlightening.

Please do not edit out the middle of a sentence. LCom Staff.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: southron, 12/8/2013 10:36:25 AM     (No. 9645304)

A typical New York Times sanitizing of a Leftist media-created hero - a communist but not really a communist! Can you imagine how the Times would treat someone who said, "I was a member of the Klan but I did not agree with the Klan´s philosophy."

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Skeptical1, 12/8/2013 11:20:15 AM     (No. 9645362)

I´m with the Times on this one. Who would expect a man of Mandela´s time and place to be an ardent and consistent supporter of free market capitalism? His own economic thoughts were probably socialist (just guessing), and his allies were communists, so what´s the big deal about joining the party when it suited his purposes?

I think the key thing is whether his motivation was African rule for South Africa, or establishment of an international communist order.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 12/8/2013 11:25:49 AM     (No. 9645367)

That´s why our black communist leader and his Congressional Black Communist Caucus are all going to attend the funeral.
Obama wants the center stage glamour and the rest just want to visit Mother Africa on our dime to send off a fellow communist traveler.
This all stinks.
The New York Times, he was against the communist before he became a communist. Like being a little bit pregnant.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 12/8/2013 11:29:46 AM     (No. 9645374)

"It is something in the nature, the culture, of liberation movements [aka "community organizers"]. United by what they are against, they tend to be conspiratorial, to discourage dissent, to prize ends over means."

fits our Prez like a glove eh?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: mc squared, 12/8/2013 11:34:02 AM     (No. 9645379)

At a family birthday party yesterday, I mentioned this and everyone thought I was nuts because the TV news never mentioned it.
Had to show them Lucianne posts.
Now this.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 11:37:33 AM     (No. 9645384)

To capsulize it...

Did the Communists use Mandela?

Or did he use them?

You decide....

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Reply 7 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 11:44:37 AM     (No. 9645391)

The issue of importance for us today is not whether Mandela was a Communist....

But rather whether Obama -- and, by definition, his co-collectivists/statists, Reid, Polosi, Kerry, etc. -- are communists....

The People will decide this in the next election.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jinx, 12/8/2013 12:13:49 PM     (No. 9645431)

We went to war in Vietnam to fight the spread of Communism. Thousands of our young men lost their lives; we spent millions of dollars on that war. When we left Vietnam, millions of Vietnamese were murdered by the Communists. And now we are celebrating a Communist, and our President once belonged to the New Party in Chicago which was basically a Communist party. What is wrong with this picture.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: gagolfer, 12/8/2013 12:22:42 PM     (No. 9645440)

Sometimes you ally yourself with others who share your main objective like we did with Communist Russia in WWII. Doesn´t mean we were Communists ourselves nor did Mandela govern as a Communist after 1994. Wasn´t Mandela´s ending apartheid a worthy objective and enough to make him one of history´s heroes? Most people think so.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: sinic, 12/8/2013 12:29:28 PM     (No. 9645447)

Professor Keller has a sit down with the children to discuss todays topic ... "Revisionist History as Applied to Mandella and South Africa" In other words, pay no attention to that Communist behind the curtain. Let´s all make believe that he´s the 2nd Coming of Christ!!
Mandella was nothing more than African version of Che Guevara ... minus the firearms ... maybe.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Screwgun, 12/8/2013 12:30:18 PM     (No. 9645450)

The comments by the Times Bolshevik readers are hilarious. They interpret being labeled a communist a compliment.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Civilservant, 12/8/2013 12:34:50 PM     (No. 9645455)

Had the Soviet Union not fallen before Mandela was released, and unable to provide the support Mandela was expecting It is my opinion that the world would have known a far different man.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: ida Lou Pino, 12/8/2013 12:37:21 PM     (No. 9645457)

Yes, #11 - - I saw those NYT comments.

They´re enough to make you laugh and weep at the same time. I have to think that most of the moonbats posting comments there are the final leftovers from the Lincoln Brigade and the Alger Hiss defenders.

I´d find it chilling if any of those loonies are under 70 years old.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: harper, 12/8/2013 1:07:18 PM     (No. 9645484)

The stench from the Fishwrap of Note is never worse than when Communism is being defended.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 1:16:05 PM     (No. 9645495)

We fought the Viet Nam War because we can’t resist sticking our noses into other peoples’ business – in direct violation of George Washington’s sage, departing advice.

In Viet Nam, Uncle Ho hated the United States, because – instead of eschewing the (albeit juvenile) concept of dictating to other peoples what kind of government they must have -- we had always backed “our friends” the French -- who “democratically” had owned everything of value in Viet Nam. Thanks, JFK, for deciding for us that 50,000 American boys would “pay any price…”.

Woodrow Wilson had no qualms about sending American kids to die in a foreign war “to make the world safe for Democracy”.

Thereafter, this social Democrat created the seeds of WWII by allowing/encouraging “our friends” the democratic French, etc. to steal most of Germany. Hence, it was very easy for Hitler to convince the German people that, when they did the same thing in reverse a few years later, it was just a legitimate pay-back time. Thanks, Woodrow -- for all your democracy and nation building.

Cuba is very much the same thing. Castro remains a “communist” to the extent that it has assisted him in creating and maintaining his island dictatorship for the past 50+ years. Mugabe in Africa is the same.



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Reply 16 - Posted by: Dadofboys, 12/8/2013 1:16:22 PM     (No. 9645496)

Mandela was an amazing man and leader FOR AFRICA. He did not become a dictator and allowed himself to fade from power. That alone makes him a giant in a land of Mugabes. But he was NO friend of America. Extensive documentation records his hatred for America and what it (used) to stand for. Lower no flag for this man.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 1:16:41 PM     (No. 9645498)

“Communism” is simply the name for the system that prevents the subjugated masses from resisting the dictator – and one that spins the tale that it is really what is good for them. Uncle Ho, Castro and Mugabe were only trying to help.

If there were a lesson in all of this for America, it would be to mind our own business where there is nothing in it for us -- and to resist the siren song of the Internationalists/statists who have this quasi-religious belief that it is the function of America to “stamp out evil” across the globe.

Let’s see how well we do in drilling and fracking our own oil, so we never have to do business with the Arabs, the Iraqis, the Iranians, etc. again.

We probably won’t, because of guys like George Bush and McCain – who are addicted to their own self-importance in running their “world democracy “side-show.

Their message is: “What’s the matter with you? Don’t you like Democracy? And, by the way, you want to be “manly”, don’t you?”


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Reply 18 - Posted by: kanphil, 12/8/2013 1:19:14 PM     (No. 9645500)

Communism is tribalism. Mandela was a tribalist.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: hoosiergirl71, 12/8/2013 1:28:16 PM     (No. 9645510)

I believe the motivation for GW to go into Iraq was well justified and desperately wanted by the miserable Iraqis. I was and am very proud of our efforts there to set those people free and put them back into control of their government. And I am so proud of our forces who gave their all to accomplish it.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 1:28:17 PM     (No. 9645511)

Communism is cannibalism.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 12/8/2013 1:28:35 PM     (No. 9645512)

Since #7 has made the same post twice today, I will provide the answer he seeks.

It is clear from his long trail of comments and associations, neither was "using" the other. They went together like hand in glove.

To say a man that lived to 95 was used by, or using, the communists is a bit of a stretch. If he had erred for a year or so as a twenty something, maybe. A lifelong association, on the other hand, cannot be ignored or explained away.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 1:29:14 PM     (No. 9645513)

Obama is a cannibal.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 1:30:27 PM     (No. 9645516)

Mandela didn´t like America.

My feelings are very, very hurt.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: congaree53, 12/8/2013 1:46:05 PM     (No. 9645530)

Bush and Barry will travel on Air Force One for the funeral; two failed presidents can compare poll numbers

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Reply 25 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 2:14:28 PM     (No. 9645555)

It is insufficient to point out that Mandela had been a member of the Communist Party for probably 70 of his 95 years. And, it is a self-fulfilling fallacy to point out that this was "not a youthful mistake." Of course not; Mandela was a well-educated person (a lawyer), and knew precisely what he was doing.

Moreover, the inarticulated assumption is that Communists are evil. And they are.

But the question that remains to be answered is: Who was using whom?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 12/8/2013 4:02:44 PM     (No. 9645646)

I´m impressed (though not favorably) that a new poster can supply a third of the posts on this thread (6,7,15,17,20,22,23,25) and not be admonished. You must know somebody.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 7:09:53 PM     (No. 9645791)


We don´t need personalities, here. Civility is important in maintaining a logical, informative, productive, adult discussion and exchange of ideas.

Unfortunately, Some people just don´t like what is being said -- so they attack the person.

Moreover, if more people were interested in the article selected, a few posts here or there would not constitute a significant percentage of the total.

Next, apparently, we will hear the suggestion that we should start controlling the number of articles that a single source can post. We all know those in this society and in others who must control the activities of others. In contrast, there are others of us who will continue to speak out for freedom -- to speak out.

Also, and fundamentally, a poster cannot control the number of posts by others -- which is a material element (i.e., by definition) in determining an arbitrary ratio or percentage.

But more importantly, this forum is dedicated to political speech, which is the very thing that the First Amendment seeks to protect.

Finally, this is Christmas -- loosen up, dude....

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Prominent Washington correspondents are accusing President Obama and his aides of knowingly stretching the truth on issues like the so-called women´s pay gap just to create controversy and keep issues -- and the president -- relevant. Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus kicked off the attack last week when she blasted as “demagoguery” the administration´s tactics during the pay gap debate. “The level of hyperbole -- actually, of demagoguery -- that Democrats have engaged in here is revolting,” she wrote. CBS White House Correspondent Major Garrett then weighed in this week in his National Journal

Clintons celebrate Chelsea’s
pregnancy announcement

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New York Post, by Stephanie Smith    Original Article
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The Clintons had a busy night of celebrations after Chelsea announced she and husband Marc Mezvinsky are expecting a baby. Bill joined “House of Cards” star Kevin Spacey at the Revlon Rainforest Fund Benefit Concert at Carnegie Hall Thursday, joking of Spacey’s Machiavellian character, “When I was president people accused me of murder all the time, made a show of investigating. Spacey’s president for 15 minutes and he gets away with murder.” Spacey, who sang during the event with Sting, Stephen Stills and James Taylor, also showed off his Johnny Carson impression, taking a swipe at the coverage of Flight

Harry Reid Doubles Down on Bundy
Ranch: ´If They´re Patriots, We´re
in Big Trouble´

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Breitbart Big Government, by Kerry Picket    Original Article
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Friday stood by his statement regarding embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, saying on KSNV’s What’s Your Point?, “If anyone thinks by any figment of their imagination that what happened up there last week was just people rallying to somebody that was oppressed, 600 people came in armed. They had practiced. They had maneuvered.” Reid continued, “They knew what they were doing. They set up snipers in strategic locations with sniper rifles. They had assault weapons. They had automatic weapons. And they boasted about the fact that they put women and children, in fact one


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