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Comrade Mandela’s Secret Life
Accuracy in Media, by Cliff Kincaid

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 12/7/2013 10:23:19 AM

The South African Communist Party is admitting Nelson Mandela was a high-ranking member. Will the media report these facts? Or will the “myth” continue to prevail? My friend Victor Lasky used to write books about liberal or left-wing figures that carried the name of the person and the subtitle, “The Man and the Myth.” He would compare the coverage of a political figure with the truth. The coverage of the death of Nelson Mandela has focused mostly on the myth. Key facts are being omitted, including Mandela’s secret membership in the South African Communist Party (SACP), which may shed light on

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: lydwho, 12/7/2013 10:39:50 AM     (No. 9644274)

A true Communist just like Comrade Obama!!!!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: steveW, 12/7/2013 10:56:34 AM     (No. 9644291)

When people of the Left worship certain "black leaders", you can be sure that their race is entirely secondary to their socialism. Had Mandela been a free marketer and a Reagan Republican you can be absolutely certain he´d now be lynched by the very same "progressives" who claim to stand in awe of his legacy. When skin color can be used to hide or distract from the underlying socialist agenda, it will be used - just ask the Oval Office.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/7/2013 11:41:22 AM     (No. 9644349)

It is very easy to for armchair critics to pontificate from afar -- and with the moral security provided by the lessons of History – in condemnation of those persons from other places and times who had been forced to confront a vastly different set of problems.

It is a bit like the anachronism of other of such post hoc geniuses in excoriating George Washington and Thomas Jefferson for having been “slave owners”.

And moreover, as a further illustration of this transcendental temptation towards temporal hypocrisy, in our own country it took two (2) full generations after (i) Jefferson in 1806-7 had condemned the international slave trade and had obtained passage of law preventing any further importation of slaves into the United States, and (ii) the British in 1807 had outlawed slavery entirely, for the North to stop living off of it – inasmuch as the South with 20% of the population was paying the majority of federal taxes.

In all candor and for the further sake of "Accuracy in Media", there was very little help for native persons in South Africa coming from this brilliant analyst’s own bedfellows in the United States to attempt to truncate the vicious practice of Apartheid. Cliff, my good friend, what did you, personally, do to help?

Strange enemies make strange bed fellows.


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Reply 4 - Posted by: mc squared, 12/7/2013 11:47:27 AM     (No. 9644356)

I would bet my Brass Figlagee with Bronze Oak Leaf that the White House and the media have a 10 day remembrance of Fidel Castro ready to go.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: jinx, 12/7/2013 12:09:08 PM     (No. 9644373)

The Communist Party in Chicago formed a New Party which Obama joined. Look it up. He will deny it but his Communist roots go way back. He used Mandela´s words when he was trying to cover his lies during the campaign. He said, "I am not perfect; I am a flawed man." Did he give Mandela credit for them or did he plagiarize him?

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Reply 6 - Posted by: bluehouse, 12/7/2013 12:28:37 PM     (No. 9644394)

When I went to the article, a bold orange link from the bottom of the page popped up with no way to close it. I was not interested in the link but found it so annoying I did not read the article. There are plenty of other articles about Mandela to read. Why would a website drive away its traffic?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Words have Meaning, 12/7/2013 12:52:58 PM     (No. 9644425)

As Lying Libs Speak. Yeah sure, you´re telling me that Mandela was a high ranking Communist Party member. I´ll believe that like I´ll believe Robert Byrd was a KKK member. Nice try you conservatives.

PS We´ll fix this false narrative when the new Common Core textbooks come out.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: MisterDickens, 12/7/2013 1:40:15 PM     (No. 9644456)

Why else would Zerobama Ø. Zerobama have such admiration for Mandela?

Are you pompous, #3, or is it my temporal hypocrisy getting in the way of my ability to reason?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: belwhatter, 12/7/2013 2:34:50 PM     (No. 9644502)

I have problems with the logic of #3 and #7. The Mandela the press is raving about is not the Mandela I remember the press reporting on back when they were believable. Why Mandela was put in jail for so many years is a question worth pondering? He was known as the communist leader of the ANC and caused much trouble. Time can change perspective, obviously he has assumed the hero role since release from jail and the apparent demise of apartheid, though now it would seem reverse apartheid is taking place with white settler descendants having targets on their backs. My cousin and her family know all too well about this - they were held at knife point in the dead of night.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/7/2013 4:02:31 PM     (No. 9644573)

The “logic” of #3 is the same anti-Presentism logic as inherently expressed by #9.

As we know, “Presentism” is a mode of literary or historical analysis in which present-day ideas and perspectives are anachronistically introduced into depictions or interpretations of the past.

Quite simply, today’s standards cannot be used – validly – to examine events that took place in prior times.


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Reply 11 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 12/7/2013 4:52:43 PM     (No. 9644597)

Presentism is a mode of literary or historical analysis in which present-day ideas and perspectives are anachronistically introduced into depictions or interpretations of the past.

You forgot to give credit to Wikipedia (word for word).

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Reply 12 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 12/7/2013 4:59:22 PM     (No. 9644604)

His "lovely" wife, Winnie, had a fondness for some killer necklaces back in the ´80s - she apparently loved to see other people, who disagreed with the ANC, wearing them.

They placed a tire around the legs and over the shoulders of the offenders, forced them to drink gasoline, poured gasoline over their bodies and into the tires then lit them on fire as they stood around them shouting taunts and generally enjoying themselves. It took 20 agonizing minutes, or more, of the hot fire and melting rubber burning into their flesh to end the life of the poor unfortunate person.

Quite the effective deterrent.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/7/2013 5:08:57 PM     (No. 9644610)

Correct, the definitions of terms are usually found in a dictionary-like medium, including Wikipedia.

And one may find the source of quotations by using a search engine. Given the limitations of this medium, the omission of citations is usually appreciated.

And, there may or may not be a point of importance to this discussion in adding a citation.

But more importantly, what about the invalidity of attempting to apply the concept of Presentism to Mandela´s actions?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/7/2013 5:18:39 PM     (No. 9644614)

Accusing someone of being “pompous”, rather than addressing the substance of their argument is, as we know, an “ad hominem argument”.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Intelligent people attempt to avoid errors in logic. Some of our posters do not so attempt. Therefore…

Quaere: Is this an ad hominem argument -- or merely an hominem referential statement?

You decide.


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Reply 15 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/7/2013 6:39:12 PM     (No. 9644664)

So, Ploof-ster.

Is it a conflict-in-interest both (i) to post, and (ii) to comment?

BTW, and as a somewhat punctilious Hoosier law professor, I greatly admire your skills in using the Google search engine.



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Reply 16 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/7/2013 6:58:25 PM     (No. 9644675)

Just to finish this post off -- and then to do something more interesting -- like watching a re-run of “The Sound of Music” starring Carrie Underwood (who is very beautiful and exceptionally talented)…

Nelson Mandela was not a perfect human being. He did what he could do during his lifetime (as many of us do in our own ways, and with the resources that we possess) -- to help his people

It is very easy to label people – i.e. as being “communists”, or something else. But, if truth be told, there are few of us who would deny that they would not accept, and even embrace, any help that they could get to throw off subjugation.

Americans above all should not forget this lesson.

So, what will people say in 100 years about Nelson Mandela? We don’t know – as History is indeed fluid, and nearly entirely dependent upon “how it all turns out”. In fact, those who are then in charge will write the history books.

What can we control? We can control who we are, and what we believe, NOW…

St. Paul pronounced that the time of salvation is now. This is good theology – and, it is every bit as good as political philosophy.


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Reply 17 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 12/7/2013 7:59:28 PM     (No. 9644726)

I accept that Mandela did many good things for his nation, but that does not mean he was any kind of friend with the US. In fact, he usually opposed the US on the world stage.

He also was vocal in his affection for Castro, Hussein (not the one in the WH), and Khaddafi (sp?). There is no hiding his long term affiliation with socialist and communist organizations.

I do not understand why US flags are at half-mast for someone who was not our friend, but were not lowered for a staunch friend of the US, Margaret Thatcher.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Lalo, 12/7/2013 8:27:57 PM     (No. 9644744)

Just because someone is not a big fan of one´s own country does not disqualify that person from greatness. And so what if he was a member of the communist party? Did he make SA a communist state? No - he did something that South Africans of all races appreciate very much - he unified their country.

He was not Castro, who rendered his people miserable. He was not the murdering Che.

And as for Winnie - who is celebrating Winnie here? No one. They were married only around 4 years before he was jailed, and it is during that period when she was up to her revolutionary tricks. Their marriage was over long before he was released.

I wish people could see beyond a very narrow set of criteria.



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Reply 19 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 12/7/2013 8:41:25 PM     (No. 9644751)

He can be great in his own country. That does not mean he was our friend. We should, however, be consistent. Thatcher was a much larger presence, being a principle player in the freeing of untold millions from communist oppression. A much larger feat that Mandela´s.

Who lowered the flag for her? Not the US. I bet SA did not. I am certain fewer countries lowered their flag for Reagan, even though he worked with Thatcher and John Paul II to liberate many more than Mandela.

So can we drop the pious indignation over those who want to keep the US response proportionate to the response we have given to other world leaders´ deaths?

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Reply 20 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 12/7/2013 10:13:16 PM     (No. 9644818)

Why is it that the United States should "celebrate" a man who made it clear that he was no friend of our country? He was on our terrorist list until 2008.

Why such a to-do trying to prove that Mandela was not a member of the Communist Party, as if the lack of his signature on some paper somewhere would prove more than his actions and choice of associates, friends and a wife?

I wish people could see beyond a very narrow ´set of criteria´ too. We have a president who says that he wants to unify our country too. The problem for some is that the unity is apparently not to be according to our Founding Documents.

There is indeed a fundamental transformation when America celebrates a communist as a great liberator and ignores the funeral and celebration of the life of one of the greatest liberators from oppression in modern history - Margaret Thatcher.

What ´narrow set of criteria´ might possibly be in play when we see that those who were once our friends because of shared ideals and values have been replaced by those who have said and demonstrated that they are no friend to the free republic of the United States of America?

I can´t imagine any of those friends of America ever being associated with, much less marrying, anyone capable of using the horrific, violent methods of Winnie Mandela and the ANC (murdering men, women, and children by burning them alive - “With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country.”) to carry out the fundamental transformation of their country. That is a bit much to ´see beyond´.

Dan Greenfield wrote this eye-opener in July of this year (for those who don´t already know):
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/obamas-visit-to-hell/


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Reply 21 - Posted by: StuartL, 12/7/2013 11:03:48 PM     (No. 9644843)

#13 -- “the omission of citations is usually appreciated” -- especially if your name is Doris Goodwin… or Stephen Ambrose or Jayson Blair or Jonah Lehrer or Stephen Glass or Kaavya Viswanathan … or Joe Biden.

P.S. -- “Law professor,” eh? Why am I not the slightest bit surprised.


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Reply 22 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 12:17:56 AM     (No. 9644873)

Weak and wimpy sarcasm qua personal attack -- and well off the point -- which is Mandela´s strategic use of all available allies to end the subjugation of his people.

But, why not contribute to the merits of the discussion instead?

BTW, if someone needs to be told where to find a definition, they are probably too obtuse to matter -- and likely need to be taught how to use Google.

Moreover, some people don´t like law professors, because they have no respect for the law -- or Constitutional government, or fundamental logic. Hence, many of these share a basic kinship with Obama voters.

But, finally, on this business about Maggie Thatcher -- one of the stellar leaders of our time. It was Mandela who just died.

They both had many elements of greatness -- for different reasons, at different times and under vastly different circumstances. Comparisons here are futile. But Maggie got along with the opposition when necessary and beneficial to the goal. So did Reagan. So does anyone with any sense. Mandela was not different in this regard.











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Reply 23 - Posted by: hoosier-luger, 12/8/2013 12:24:13 AM     (No. 9644877)

To capsulize it...

Did the Communists use Mandela?

Or did he use them?

You decide....

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Reply 24 - Posted by: StormCnter, 12/8/2013 11:58:36 AM     (No. 9645408)

Eight comments on a single thread? Sheesh!

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Attorney General Eric Holder disputed a Government Accountability Office report on his use of Justice Department airplanes for personal trips, saying it overstated the number of trips he took and failed to recognize that some trips were job-related. "My staff keeps telling me to take it easy, you know, well, this is one that gets me," Holder told Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va., during a House Appropriations subcommittee hearing. "There was this notion that we´ve taken -- I think it was described as hundreds of personal trips. That was wrong. GAO counted flights, not round trips. And we looked at it

Back to Africa? For some African-
Americans, the answer is yes

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Christian Science Monitor, by Chris Stein    Original Article
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Accra, Ghana — Jimmy Thorne says that relocating to Ghana is one of the best moves he’s ever made. It doesn’t matter if he, an African-American, gets called “obroni,” the local word for white person, in the streets, or if some of his family can’t quite figure out what he’s doing in this West African nation so far from his roots in North Carolina. (Snip) Whether motivated by love, money, or the desire to rekindle a long-lost connection, black repatriation to Africa remains alive and well, even if it never quite became the high-volume, emotional return to African roots

Romney’s return to public life stokes
speculation about potential 2016 run

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FOX News, by Staff    Original Article
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Former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney has sworn off running again for elected office, but Americans have certainly heard that one before. Speculation that Romney might run again has largely been stoked by the reunion he planned to host last month in Park City, Utah, for members of his 2012 campaign and debate team and a string of recent public appearances. He has appeared on TV news shows 12 times in the past six months. That’s essentially on pace with Michigan GOP Rep. Mike Rogers, who led all national politicians last year with 26 appearances over 12 months. Romney has

The artist formerly known as Cat
Stevens enters rock’s hall of fame

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Boston Globe (MA), by James Sullivan    Original Article
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“Morning has broken, like the first morning.” Whatever your faith, if you’ve got any at all, that’s pretty much what it boils down to. The sun comes up, and we give it another shot.(snip) Stevens converted to Islam in the late 1970s, and he angered a lot of fans when he appeared to support the fatwa against novelist Salman Rushdie with comments he made in 1989. But for a kid in thrall to the kinetic power of the spinning records in his father’s hi-fi console, Stevens seemed to be living proof that popular music (he had 11 Top 40 hits in

Worth the wait! Reclusive movie
star Doris Day smiles and
waves to fans as she makes
rare public appearance on her
milestone 90th birthday

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DailyMail (U.K.), by Helen Zhao and Juliet Paylor    Original Article
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Reclusive movie star Doris Day greeted fans with a rare smile and a wave from her balcony on Thursday as she rang in her 90th birthday. The Oscar-nominee appeared in great spirits as she made the rather regal gesture from her home in Carmel-by-the-Sea, on California´s north coast - a quiet little enclave also home to Clint Eastwood - the first time she´s been seen in public since 2008. After opening up to Closer Weekly about her milestone birthday, revealing she´s still very much in demand, with scripts pouring in all the time, the silver-haired beauty appeared as sprightly as


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