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ACLU sues US bishops over
Catholic hospital ethics

Associated Press, by Staff

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Posted By:StormCnter, 12/2/2013 5:52:12 PM

DETROIT — The American Civil Liberties Union is taking aim at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and its ethical guidelines for Catholic hospitals. The ACLU filed a lawsuit in federal court in Michigan accusing the bishops of being negligent for barring certain treatments or the mention of the treatments such as abortion. The lawsuit was filed in the case of a pregnant woman whose life was at risk from premature labor. The ACLU says Mercy Health Muskegon hospital didn’t tell her that she should consider terminating her pregnancy because the bishops’ guidelines barred mention of abortion. The lawsuit was filed amid


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Reply 1 - Posted by: StormCnter, 12/2/2013 5:55:06 PM     (No. 9637248)

NPR did a piece on this a little while ago. There were comments from various law professors, one of whom expressed serious doubt that the bishops can be sued for the application of Catholic doctrine. The face of the lawsuit is a woman (minority) who came to the hospital, eighteen weeks pregnant and in labor. The staff gave her medication and sent her home, according to her statement. She returned later and gave birth to a baby who died almost immediately. I´m assuming the lawsuit accuses the hospital of not administering abortion medication.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Northcross, 12/2/2013 5:57:30 PM     (No. 9637253)

You can always count on the ACLU to side with the forces of infernal evil.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: reilly, 12/2/2013 6:13:11 PM     (No. 9637262)

Catholic doctrine, if I´m not mistaken, would sacrifice the mother, who has received the gift of life, before the child who has not. A child is another soul.

Oh, and the soulless ACLU can burn in hell.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: trackman999, 12/2/2013 6:13:55 PM     (No. 9637263)

I have never ever thought of abortion as a " treatment".

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Reply 5 - Posted by: SemperParatus, 12/2/2013 6:15:24 PM     (No. 9637267)

I remember overhearing an ACLU attorney spout off during a dinner party in DC. Things that would normally turn your stomach appeared quite normal to his "audience." He seemed to cling to and mesmerize the few weaklings in the crowd. The host finally, thankfully, asked him to stop as he was upsetting people.

He didn´t understand the request. He genuinely seemed perturbed that there were people around him who had morals. How dare they!

Immature... ungrateful... deplorable. That´s my take-away from this "genius."

Semper Paratus

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Newtsche, 12/2/2013 6:26:07 PM     (No. 9637275)

Legal strength notwithstanding, this should cost the church some big bucks in court costs so job done. Kind of a side trip on the Cloward-Piven Highway to Hell.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Mai Bad, 12/2/2013 6:37:45 PM     (No. 9637284)

Yo..yo..Michelle is siding with the Bishops. She has already banned Barry from having anymore sausage in the can.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Northern Redman, 12/2/2013 6:41:26 PM     (No. 9637286)

Maybe Catholic hospitals should make being Catholic a criteria for admission. Then it will be a "private club/association for the benefit of its members" and not subject to government control or regulation. BTW, I´m not a Catholic.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: jlw509, 12/2/2013 6:42:14 PM     (No. 9637287)

#3, you are mistaken. Catholic doctrine does not require either or both the parties in a high-risk pregnancy situation to be "sacrificed" for the other.

The mother and the baby, as human beings, possess the right not to be killed. That is, nobody has the right to come at either one of them with the intention of ending their life.

If you´ve go a chance to save them both, you have to try to save them both.

If it is physically impossible to save them both, you have to save the one who has the best prospects for survival, while still not directly aggressing against the other. (Classic example: Pregnant woman. Cancerous uterus. There´s no legal or moral reason on earth why she can´t have a lifesaving hysterectomy, even if it´s foreseeable that the baby won´t survive.)

Note well: for all those decades when abortion was illegal in Ireland, Ireland also had the lowest maternal mortality rate in all of Europe. That pretty well illustrates that abortion is not necessary for women´s health.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Daria, 12/2/2013 6:42:40 PM     (No. 9637288)

Catholic doctrine teaches that the mother´s life and the child´s are intertwined, but the mother´s life takes precedence. For instance, if a pregnant woman is treated for cancer, the intent is to first save the life of the woman. If her unborn child loses his or her life in the process, that is a tragic result of the treatment given to preserve the life of the mother. The Church would consider it morally wrong to first abort the child and then treat the mother´s illness. In this case, if the child died because of efforts to stabilize the mother, that would not be considered wrong under church teaching.

I think there is more to the story than what is stated in the article.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: masscon, 12/2/2013 7:20:59 PM     (No. 9637326)

Always thought deep down the entire point of obamacare is to close down Catholic hospitals. The point of gay rights is to outlaw Christianity. The left is Satanic. When are people going to wake up?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: saguni, 12/2/2013 7:22:52 PM     (No. 9637332)

FTA: The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops says it can’t comment because it hasn’t been officially notified of the lawsuit.

So, the ACLU claims to have filed a lawsuit, which hasn´t yet been "served" to the Conference of Catholic Bishops, and they are rushing to tell their "side" of the story (with no guarantee of honesty) to taint the "court of public opinion" while the Conference of Catholic Bishops are in the dark. The article doesn´t list the patient´s name, so the Conference of Catholic Bishops can´t even look up the facts in a medical file.

Kind of like what Trayvon´s parents did to Zimmerman.

A lie goes around the world before the truth gets his pants on.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: stablemoney, 12/2/2013 7:33:44 PM     (No. 9637352)

I am sick and tired of the ACLU filing lawsuits where they have no standing, have not been harmed, don´t know the parties, flew in from somewhere else, and are not involved. This needs to be brought to a halt.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: kono, 12/2/2013 7:49:46 PM     (No. 9637373)

Thanks, #8, for the "I´m not Catholic" disclaimer -- you can´t be expected, then, to realize that to offer medical, economic, or educational assistance only to Catholics contradicts our understanding of what it means to be Christian. We are called to give our love and service to all people, especially those who are not particularly friendly to us. (Take the Good Samaritan as the quintessential lesson on what it means to ´love our neighbor´.)

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Reply 15 - Posted by: kanphil, 12/2/2013 7:56:33 PM     (No. 9637389)

I hope the ACLU files this suit. The Catholic Church is one of the few institutions that has deep enough pockets to take on the ACLU and win.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: 100percenttexan, 12/2/2013 8:46:23 PM     (No. 9637453)

If the facts in the article are correct: The woman went to the hospital 18 weeks pregnant and the doctors were able to stabilizer her and send her home. Some time later she returned to the hospital, delivered the child and the child died.

The ACLU (The American Communist Litigation Union) is suing the Catholic Bishops because they, by their rules, allowed God to decide the fate of the child instead of allowing a man to.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: jlw509, 12/2/2013 9:14:58 PM     (No. 9637482)

#16, good point.

But --- hey, we gotta stop these Catholic hospitals with their "medical ethics" thing.

If we let them get away with it, pretty soon everybody´ll have ethics...


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Reply 18 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 12/2/2013 9:22:18 PM     (No. 9637487)

When will somebody sue the ACLU ?
The reason this party with no vested interest will go anywhere to get involved is every time they win, We pay.

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