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Pope Francis Is Wrong: Free
Market Is Not A Tyrant

Investor´s Business Daily, by Editorial

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Posted By:Desert Fox, 11/27/2013 8:10:02 PM

Economics: It seems the official position of Pope Francis is that the free market is a wicked enemy that must be restrained. With all due respect, he´s mistaken. The free market has been a heavenly blessing. Two days before our American Thanksgiving, the Argentinian pontiff, in his first apostolic exhortation, called the free market a "new tyranny." "Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world," he wrote in the Vatican report. Claims of free-market success, he said, have "never been confirmed

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Stlouislaxbros dad, 11/27/2013 8:22:24 PM     (No. 9632155)


As a good church going Pro-Life Catholic, I can only say that I hope our present Pope learns to think before he opens his mouth.

What does he propose? Does he think that communism and socialism work to benefit the poor? How many millions and millions have been slaughtered by the leadership of those movements?





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Reply 2 - Posted by: fhancock, 11/27/2013 8:36:06 PM     (No. 9632165)

Being a good Church going Catholic I went to the Apostolic Exhortation English page and bigger than he11 there was the Pope bad-mouthing capitalism...made my head hurt...sounded like it was written for the consumption of South American autocrats who dislike their Northern brethren....just saying...the Church has traditionally been at war with those of a Marxist bent...at least Pope John Paul II was as was Pope Benedict XVI

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Michaelus, 11/27/2013 8:38:01 PM     (No. 9632168)

Go read what the Holy Father wrote and then go learn what the Church teaches about property, capitalism, socialism, usury, greed, sin and redemption. The Church is right.


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Reply 4 - Posted by: Illinois Mom, 11/27/2013 8:47:52 PM     (No. 9632175)

Misinterpretations are all over the place on this one. He was talking to Catholics regarding their personal obligations to the poor...then governments as a natural progression. He is NOT an anti-capitalist.

A good capitalist provides jobs that lift people from poverty...with dignity.

Go to a good Catholic source for what was really said and don´t pay attention to those who have a agenda.


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Reply 5 - Posted by: mitzi, 11/27/2013 8:48:03 PM     (No. 9632176)

#2 - reference please. I don´t even find the word "capitalism" in the document.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: steph_gray, 11/27/2013 8:56:53 PM     (No. 9632182)

Rush said today that the pope was mistranslated.

Wouldn´t surprise me for an instant.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: fhancock, 11/27/2013 8:58:31 PM     (No. 9632184)

Number 5...you are right he talks of "free markets"
"54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us"

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Reply 8 - Posted by: KsGirl101, 11/27/2013 9:10:25 PM     (No. 9632190)

I´m not a Catholic and have the greatest of respect for all who are. However, I can´t help but ask, how many times for how many years must we weep for others pain?
I guess my milk of human kindness is a pint or two short after watching our poor game our system for so long.
Ah we´ll, Happy Thanksgiving to you all anyway.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: mitzi, 11/27/2013 9:15:36 PM     (No. 9632198)

There are an additional 287 paragraphs in addition to the one quoted above.

Read them all.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: WAN2, 11/27/2013 9:30:04 PM     (No. 9632205)

Or, as mom taught us: share and share alike?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: frede, 11/27/2013 9:41:00 PM     (No. 9632213)

I pay taxes so all young people can have 12 years of free education. I have tried to help them. 20 years later, it´s the poor which have spent their money on cigaretts and lottery tickets. Then I am asked to help them again? I did. Don´t ask me again.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: fhancock, 11/27/2013 9:51:44 PM     (No. 9632222)

#9 What I posted is part of the 287 paragraphs he retracts what he said in #54 Ill be happy to look at it...I´m not cherry-picking...I just posted what he wrote in that paragraph

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Bohallx, 11/27/2013 10:34:21 PM     (No. 9632252)

The problem isn´t so much what the Pope believes or doesn´t belive ~ rather it´s because he grew up in Argentina so it´s part of his mental filter.

That´s a place with a screwy understanding of economics.

Juan Peron, Eva Peron, Evita Peron, the Generals, the Colonels, the Disappeared ones, Commies, Nazis, Fascists, ..... start with that right there.



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Reply 14 - Posted by: absalom, 11/27/2013 11:18:32 PM     (No. 9632288)

Clements was right when he suggested that, "It is better to sit in silence and be presumed a dunce than open one´s mouth and remove all doubt". The core focus of the Church of Rome is other worldly; spiritual rather than material. In contrast, Capitalism is a this worldly economic system focused on the production and distribution of goods and services in a free market.
In his magisterial Encyclical "Rerum Novarum", Leo XIII defined the rules, roles, and responsibilities of both Capital and Labor while proscribing all forms of Marxism as well as ´survival of the fittest´ Capitalism. Pope Francis´ words reflect the tone and temperament of Leo´s Encyclical whose central theme was "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar´s and to God what is God´s."

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Country Boy, 11/27/2013 11:59:54 PM     (No. 9632305)

If the Pope was mis-quoted, mis-interpreted, it´s his own fault.

I´m waiting for a Pope to talk about the envy of liberals ruining the world. Remember the 9th and 10th. The problem is pretty obvious.

No Church visits for me.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: bob913, 11/28/2013 12:35:30 AM     (No. 9632315)

Capitalism is what got the church all that gold.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: StuartL, 11/28/2013 12:46:59 AM     (No. 9632317)

#13 is aware, one hopes, that "Eva Peron" and "Evita Peron" are the same person.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 11/28/2013 1:33:27 AM     (No. 9632325)

The current Pope is affirming my decision to leave.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Lalo, 11/28/2013 2:13:44 AM     (No. 9632340)

I am in awe of this pope & in awe of his quintessential statement as provided by #7. Regardless of one´s politics, there are a lot of hard hearts on this thread, and - again, - regardless of politics - I don´t think that equates with being a Christian, which is what so many people here proclaim. You can´t have it both ways.

Somehow #13´s hothouse of an Argentina has produced a miracle of a pope, a truth-telling pope - a pope who is exactly what the world needs. Anyone can kiss up to you. It takes a real friend to tell you what you need to hear.

Perhaps he has something to say to the leftists as well but they are too thick to begin to get through to. I pray the West will be more receptive. (And I´m neither a Catholic nor a Judeo-Christian).

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Reply 20 - Posted by: steveW, 11/28/2013 3:15:25 AM     (No. 9632366)

There can be no justification in 2013 for attacking capitalism, "misquoted" or not. It is under attack enough as it is. Promoting socialism ( = attacking capitalism) is either unforgivably ignorant or intentionally harmful. Let´s face the sad fact that the Left now has the papacy.

Right from the start, this Pope´s touted "concern for the poor" struck me as suspicious, especially in light of the unusually favourable press given him by the loathsome, pro-socialist MSM. His latest statements lay the blame on free markets, which really means he blames free people. How Obama must be smirking. Reasonable people of faith should jump this ship, now.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 11/28/2013 4:54:05 AM     (No. 9632379)

Thank god I´m a Protestant and don´t have to listen to all of this leftist papist clap-trap.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Melody, 11/28/2013 5:27:42 AM     (No. 9632387)

I´m a Protestant, too, and I believe it won´t be long before the Lord returns. This Pope may have a large role to play in end times´ events, so Protestants will not be unaffected by him. We should be aware. The Bible says we should trust in the Lord with all our hearts and lean not on our own understanding. No matter what church we attend, Christians need spiritual discernment especially in these last days. Let´s ask for it for ourselves and for our brothers and sisters.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Judith, 11/28/2013 5:44:29 AM     (No. 9632398)

He really does sound like the loony jesuits that conspired with the murderous thugs of south america. Too bad. The Catholic Church cannot recover with a leader like this.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: ChipThome, 11/28/2013 6:49:12 AM     (No. 9632418)

If he was mis-quoted or mis-interpretted, I think that´s been going on from the beginning because when I read what is published, all I see is just another commie dressed up as a man of the cloth.

Now before anyone would have to ask, I have a very firm belief in my Catholic faith. Its the people running the Catholic Church who I am not at all crazy about.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: starboard, 11/28/2013 8:34:14 AM     (No. 9632495)

Where did he come from? Argentina...enuf said.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Civilservant, 11/28/2013 8:46:06 AM     (No. 9632504)

I don´t care how his statements are parsed HERE, the simple fact is that the Pope just handed our enemies a very big weapon and a victory.

Pope, you´re words are manna.....that sustains the Devil.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 11/28/2013 8:52:42 AM     (No. 9632509)

Francis said what is quoted in #7, and he is factually and demonstrably wrong. The surrounding paragraphs do nothing to change this. They make it worse. He cites God´s commandment "Thou shalt not kill" and makes up one of his own--a new "thou shalt not" that doesn´t permit economic exclusion and inequality. For his devotees who apparently read without comprehension he makes it explicitly clear: "Such an economy kills." [53.] He equates free market economics with murder.

Contrary to his defenders´ claims, this is not about individual charity. He is criticizing our current socioeconomic structure. He explicitly calls upon the state to rectify this: "This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control."[56]. He says economic inequality doesn´t just provoke violence; it causes it because "the socioeconomic system is unjust at its root." [59].

He explicitly calls for political leaders to address the problem, calling for a "vigorous change in approach." [58]. He says "Not to share one´s wealth with the poor is to steal from them...." [57].

In my previous posts I assumed Francis was an idiot who didn´t know what he was talking about. Having read his statement, I now know it´s much worse. It´s his defenders who don´t know what he´s talking about.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: mitzi, 11/28/2013 9:18:34 AM     (No. 9632539)

Two points:

1. The Pope is not speaking "ex cathedra" and no one is obliged to agree with or believe what he wrote here.

2. The controversy and discussion over this may lead some to read the entire document may find "The Joy of the Gospel."

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Reply 29 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 11/28/2013 3:08:42 PM     (No. 9632839)

#19 wrote: "I am in awe of this pope & in awe of his quintessential statement as provided by #7. Regardless of one´s politics, there are a lot of hard hearts on this thread, and - again, - regardless of politics - I don´t think that equates with being a Christian, which is what so many people here proclaim. You can´t have it both ways."

The Pope is dead wrong. Those with *true* compassion for the poor and oppressed will *always* advocate the most "unfettered free-market."

The inherent *limits* that are already in the *definition* of a free market will *already* include all of the *legitimate* penalties for the abuse of anyone´s rights. Any additional penalties created by governments are the fetters that reduce productivity, inevitably hurting us all. Hurting the poor the most!

The most free-market nation in the history of the world, the USA, is the source of more life-saving innovations than any other, and has higher rates of voluntary charity (God´s kind of charity, but not good enough for this anti-Bible "pope")

It is truly tragic that the "pope" fails to understand the Bible!

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Reply 30 - Posted by: OhMy, 11/28/2013 6:59:34 PM     (No. 9632992)

Prior to Vatican II Pope John Paul 1 wanted to invite the bishops from behind the Iron Curtain and the demand was made by the Soviet Union to not have any negative statements about Socialism and Communism. Up to then the Church had routinely stated that Communism was intrinsically evil. Under the so called Rome Moscow agreement the Church promised to never make such statements again. During the Council there were 400 Council Fathers who signed a petition to include in the documents a statement condemning Communism. This was in on time and presented to the council properly but it got quashed. This is remarkable because the council was billed as "non dogmatic" but "pastoral" that is not making teaching statements but on pastoral matters. In a world 2/3 dominated by aggressive militant Athiesm persecuting christians under cruel tyranny this "pastoral problem" is not mentioned! It should have been front and centre as a pastoral concern. This whole story is in the book "The Rhine flows into the Tiber" by a liberal journalist! The Church has continued to honour this Rome-Moscow agreement as this latest Papal Document confirms. The entire story of Fatima centres around a warning about the rise of Communism. It too has been ignored despite being testified to by the miracle of the sun observed by believers and skeptics alike. This post is getting long. If anyone is interested ask me what the third secret of Fatima was all about. That too is relevant!

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Bohallx, 11/29/2013 5:02:35 PM     (No. 9633844)

#17 ~ you need to cite her under both names or you´ll only get half the story ~ a rather duplicative story, but it´s worth picking up on what the devotees have to say as well.

I think it´s worth noting that Francis is talking as though he´s from Argentina, or maybe Uruguay, or Paraguay ~ but not Brazil ~ since we´d already know what the name of his favorite mistress was and that´s not happening.

The supposed free market guys in Argentina also got into the practice of catching leftwingtards and handing them over to the Air Force to drop out of airplanes flying over the ocean.

Non-Christia leftists began making a ruckous once enough of the young competitors were removed (another Argentinian technique that makes others believe their political life is not much evolved over that of North Africa). Eventually the Disappeared Ones issue disappeared; some bad guys were brought to justice; and Argentina has done better with the elimination of a whole huge bunch of folks who could not possibly deal with even a ´let´s pretend´ sort of democracy.

The ordinary man on the street living in Argentina must certainly have felt beset upon by demons for the last 3/4 of a century.

I don´t think Francis is far removed from that.

Still, if you could get him into a good, open political discussion he´d probably figure out pretty quickly that Obama acts very much like a South American rich guy. Wouldn´t make him happy to know that.....

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President Obama inspired a generation of young people to support his historic election in 2008. And in 2012, despite the struggles of his first term, Mr. Obama still managed to win the support of a full 60% of voters age 18-29. But the man who once dreamed of being a transformative leader in the Reagan mold is inspiring few of those young people to follow his lead. "For all the talk about the movement that elected Mr. Obama, the more notable movement of Obama supporters has been away from politics. It appears that few of the young people who voted

The world must shift to solar and wind
power rapidly to avoid catastrophic global
warming, say UN scientists in major report

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Ben Spencer    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/13/2014 7:15:31 PM     Post Reply
A rapid shift to wind and solar power is needed if the world is to avoid catastrophic global warming, the United Nations warns in a crucial report today. Emissions of greenhouse gases need to be cut by up to 70 per cent before 2050 to control climate change, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) says. ‘Large-scale changes in energy systems’ are required, with coal power stations to be switched off and replaced by wind and solar. And the transformation needs to be made in the next 15 years or controlling climate change will become increasingly harder and more expensive. The report was published

Chelsea Clinton no longer
ruling out politics

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The Hill (Washington DC), by Judy Katz    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 11:57:36 AM     Post Reply
Chelsea Clinton says when people ask her these days whether she wants to go into politics, her answer isn’t an automatic “no.” The 34-year-old former first daughter told Fast Company in an interview published Monday, “for so long the answer was just a visceral no. Not because I had made any conscientious, deliberate decision, but since people had been asking for as long as literally I could remember, it was no." Now, the only child of former President Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton explains, "I live in a city and a state and a country where I

Glaring limits of the Civil Rights
Act: We need to redistribute wealth

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Salon Magazine, by Matt Bruenig    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/14/2014 7:20:41 PM     Post Reply
Although the Civil Rights Act, the landmark legislation which just reached its 50th anniversary, made great strides in desegregating the economy, economic discrimination is still widespread, and anti-discrimination legislation alone can never rectify the economic damage inflicted upon blacks by slavery and our Jim Crow apartheid regime. The Civil Rights Act was a mild reform, all things considered, but one conservatives fought with vigor and one many conservatives are still bitter about to this day. When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, the primary purpose was to root out discrimination in public accommodations (like hotels and movie theaters)

If a nuclear bomb exploded in downtown
Washington, what should you do?

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The Week, by Marc Ambinder    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast

Obama Selects First Openly Gay
Episcopal Bishop to Lead Easter Prayer

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Mediaite, by Andrew Kirell    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 12:46:05 PM     Post Reply
President Obama pulled a surprise move Monday at the White House’s Easter Prayer Breakfast when he selected Gene Robinson to lead the closing prayer. Robinson is famously known as the first openly gay Episcopal bishop. Talking Points Memo’s Tom Kludt spotted the following tweet from Robinson, who was in attendance: (Tweet) Robinson, 66, became diocesan bishop of New Hampshire in March 2004. He retired in January 2013 and is currently a senior fellow at the progressive

Developing: Russian fighter jet buzzes
U.S. Navy destroyer in Black Sea

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Associated Press, by Lolita C. Baldor    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 12:49:12 PM     Post Reply
A Russian fighter jet made multiple, close-range passes near an American warship in the Black Sea for more than 90 minutes Saturday amid escalating tensions in the region, a U.S. military official said Monday. In the first public account of the incident, the official said the Russian Fencer flew within 1,000 yards of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet above sea level. Ship commanders considered the actions provocative and inconsistent with international agreements, prompting the ship to issue several radio queries and warnings. The fighter appeared to be unarmed and never was in danger of

You´re in denial if
you think Steve Israel is
wrong about GOP racism

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Daily Beast, by Michael Tomasky    Original Article
Posted By: Fiesta del sol- 4/14/2014 6:09:58 AM     Post Reply
Some time back, whenever a big racial controversy erupted, I trained myself into the habit of reading about it at FoxNews.com, just for the unbelievable comment threads. Let’s put it this way: If my friends and I went out to a bar and started playing a “let’s write the racist FoxNews.com comment thread” drinking game, our efforts couldn’t begin to approach what I read there.I wasn’t alone. Liberal websites started feasting on these threads. And so, a couple of years ago, Ailes & Co. got wise. Stories about race were, at least in my disheartened experience, closed to comments.


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