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Dispute Over Gay Marriage
Erupts in Cheney Family

New York Times, by Jonathan Martin

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Posted By:StormCnter, 11/17/2013 3:28:51 PM

Mary Cheney, a daughter of the former vice president, and her wife, Heather Poe, sharply criticized on Sunday a comment by by Ms. Cheney’s sister, Liz Cheney, a candidate for the Senate in Wyoming, that they disagreed on the issue of same-sex marriage. “Liz – this isn’t just an issue on which we disagree, you’re just wrong – and on the wrong side of history,” Mary Cheney, who is gay, wrote on her Facebook page. Ms. Poe’s comments were sharper and more personal. “Liz has been a guest in our home, has spent time and shared holidays with our children, and when

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Reply 1 - Posted by: killerbee, 11/17/2013 3:34:21 PM     (No. 9617805)

Jonathan Martin. You can just feel the glee with which he wrote this article.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Susannah, 11/17/2013 3:38:08 PM     (No. 9617807)

I like Liz Cheney, but this whole movement to unseat Enzi is totally unnecessary. Moreover, Cheney is probably pretending to be opposed to gay marriage in order to court the social conservative vote. That´s just base hypocrisy.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Lalo, 11/17/2013 3:55:48 PM     (No. 9617829)

What´s wrong with Liz? Creating a nasty schism in her family like this, possibly permanent, is worse politics for her than supporting gay marriage. And of course she has no business in the race to begin with.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Quigley, 11/17/2013 3:56:07 PM     (No. 9617830)

The nyt is a pride of polygamous gay marriage liars.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: farmwife, 11/17/2013 4:05:58 PM     (No. 9617840)

I know this is heresy, but you can have gay members of your family, and try to keep peace in the family by not talking about it, but still believe gay marriage is not right. I knew Liz Cheney would have an uphill battle here, but I´d still like to see her in the Senate. Enzi is not terrible, but we Republicans have settled way too often for ´not terrible´. Many of us don´t get to vote for candidates we really support. So often, we have to settle for the least of two evils.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: suedotsue, 11/17/2013 4:12:14 PM     (No. 9617845)

Liz Cheney´s rude, intolerant sister is much more powerful than she is.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: dr fate, 11/17/2013 4:12:37 PM     (No. 9617847)

"Mary Cheney.....and her wife Heather Poe"......Was there a coin toss to determine which was the "wife"? Sick,sick,sick!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: lostinmassachusetts, 11/17/2013 4:21:00 PM     (No. 9617854)

Why does it fall to Liz Cheney to compromise her principles (and probably her faith) to support her sister´s lifestyle choices? Shouldn´t Mary Cheney also try to tolerate her sister´s position on this important moral issue and not undermine her by airing dirty laundry in public?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Gagolfer, 11/17/2013 4:28:04 PM     (No. 9617859)

Apparently Liz Cheney supported her sister until she decided to run for the Senate and court votes. Carpetbagger and hypocrite.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Susannah, 11/17/2013 4:34:36 PM     (No. 9617866)

#9, I think what Mary Cheney is saying is that Liz is being expedient: She´s pretending to be opposed to gay marriage in order to appeal to social conservatives. And that´s sleazy.

Liz Cheney, for all her virtues, is a Beltway insider. She was born in Minnesota, grew up in McLean, Virginia, and has spent virtually all of her life in the power circles of Washington, D.C..

She should have run against a Democrat in Virginia instead of trying to unseat one of the most conservative members of the senate.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: columba, 11/17/2013 4:43:13 PM     (No. 9617876)

There is really no dispute over "gay" marriage. There is only one real marriage, and sexual relations outside of real marriage are illicit.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: M2, 11/17/2013 4:44:18 PM     (No. 9617877)

Mary thinks Liz is "on the wrong side of history". Sorry, but on this issue, it´s the other way around if you´re a Biblical Christian. I submit it is Mary and Heather who are "on the wrong side of history". In fact, were they right, there would be no history on this earth.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Balogreene, 11/17/2013 4:48:06 PM     (No. 9617882)

Liz may not approve of or believe in her sister´s lifestyle. She still wants her sister to be happy, and loves Mary and her family. She is in such a hard position, I know. You don´t know what to do, but say "I love you".

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Reply 14 - Posted by: jkcinsalem, 11/17/2013 4:59:31 PM     (No. 9617893)

I have a similar situation in my family. We all love my brother and his partner as the family they are. But they both know it would be an affront to our faith, and theirs, if they announced a future ´wedding´ date.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: yuban, 11/17/2013 5:08:22 PM     (No. 9617903)

The Moderates on here are so full of it. Moderates evidently do not believe in the Bible. Not that THAT surprises me. The dispute is not over gay marriage. The dispute is over do you believe in the Word or not.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: franq, 11/17/2013 5:15:15 PM     (No. 9617917)

I hope to God I never have to deal with this up close and personal. So far, so good.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: birddog, 11/17/2013 5:21:35 PM     (No. 9617927)

She may "perhaps" be on the wrong side of the "Future"... but history and she agree. I like the world where words have meanings, ones that don´t get changed willy-nilly by Political Whim.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 11/17/2013 5:27:16 PM     (No. 9617932)

Can´t access NYT, and don´t care to go through the process to make that happen.
So, I´ll assume from the headline and lede that the "dispute" is over homosexual marriage.

Many people believe that what someone, as a free moral agent, does in their private life is between that person and his/her Maker. They oppose changing the laws of the nation to replace God´s laws with what God has declared to be abomination.

I don´t know by what authority Mary asserts that Liz is wrong for opposing homosexual marriage. I do know the Authority for stating that Mary is wrong about it.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Cavallodifiero, 11/17/2013 5:32:53 PM     (No. 9617938)

Liz was trying to be kind I knew Ms Poe´s relative Edgar Allen, he was a disturbed depressed genius, and I think it runs in the family.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: ruready?, 11/17/2013 6:25:37 PM     (No. 9617977)

#19, It´s one thing to forbid someone from doing what they want in their private life. It´s totally another thing to ask me to bless that activity with my vote.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: ruready?, 11/17/2013 6:27:33 PM     (No. 9617979)

There is also a big, big difference between what we permit and what we promote!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: coyote, 11/17/2013 6:42:24 PM     (No. 9617986)

Oh, the New York Times. Of course.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Former lurker, 11/17/2013 6:55:03 PM     (No. 9617990)

As someone with a much loved brother who die of AIDS I know I have no prejudice about lifestyle.....BUT......tolerance goes both ways and the tolerance seems to be pretty much on the side of cultural conservatives. The judgement and condemnation on the other side.

I must confess to hating the trend of calling participants of gay unions "husband and /or wife". Partner seems more appropriate and is a perfectly good word.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: MaMe2, 11/17/2013 7:03:48 PM     (No. 9617994)

I have 8 brothers and sisters. Guess what? We don´t always agree. Two of my siblings are gay and they have different opinions on gay marriage. There is no eruption in the Cheney family. Just a difference of opinion. It´s wishful thinking for the New York Times (as though the Cheney´s made Jonathan Martin privy to family discussions)

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Reply 25 - Posted by: JoElla Bee, 11/17/2013 7:44:25 PM     (No. 9618033)

Absolutely, #21.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: rayscain, 11/17/2013 8:05:44 PM     (No. 9618043)


You can still love your sister and her family but stand firm on gay marriage and your belief on traditional unions between a man and a woman!


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Reply 27 - Posted by: kayjaymac, 11/17/2013 8:17:58 PM     (No. 9618047)

Facebook is such a passive-aggressive way to address these things. I hate it for that. Don´t air your crap on FB.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: beth, 11/17/2013 8:38:03 PM     (No. 9618061)

The fact that this is being discussed on Facebook reveals a complete lack of maturity on the part of her sister.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: TrueBlueWfan, 11/17/2013 11:25:42 PM     (No. 9618157)

I think Mary Cheney is being a bully. She is being intolerant and pushy in her public attempt at humiliating and embarrassing her sister.

Facebook is not the place - call your sister on the phone and talk privately about your disagreement. Just because she voiced her beliefs is not reason to publicly attack her.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: mitzi, 11/17/2013 11:45:11 PM     (No. 9618163)

This is funny ...

Mary Cheney, a daughter of the former vice president, and her wife, Heather Poe, (snip) Mary Cheney, who is gay, wrote on her Facebook page

Obviously if she has a wife, she´s gay!

I just checked and it appears the article was re-written and updated.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 11/18/2013 12:46:16 AM     (No. 9618186)

Wrong side of history? Ask the residents of Sodom or Gomorrah, Mary.

DNA dictates your gender, not the lusts of your flesh. When you´re old and gray and don´t have the hormones of youth, what are you going to do then? Lesbians are cold creatures. Hope you enjoy your "wife," or is it "husband?"

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Reply 32 - Posted by: steveW, 11/18/2013 1:45:43 AM     (No. 9618202)

Keep in mind that the possibility of causing hurt to the Cheneys is like crack cocaine to the hate-addicts at the NYT. And they´d seriously hurt - have hurt - the Bushes or the Palins in a split second, too. One need only picture NYT "journalists" gleefully and maniacally knifing them in the back to understand their true intentions in publishing "news" about any one of these Republicans.

That said, in my own experience, those with the very least "tolerance" are precisely those who demand "tolerance", nay, complete approval, of "gay marriage". The Thought Police of the Left are unforgiving on this issue.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: kOok, 11/18/2013 2:49:06 AM     (No. 9618219)

“Liz — this isn’t just an issue on which we disagree you’re just wrong — and on the wrong side of history.”

I love the comment above that if you don´t have the Bible than you don´t have history. Then I remembered something. You can purchase ´gay´ versions of the Bible, including one called the ´queen James´ version, believe it or not. Ms. Cheney, the gay one, may simply be ignorant of history, the 5,000 years worth where being homosexual was considered a sin. That history.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Lalo, 11/20/2013 1:21:57 AM     (No. 9621439)

Excuse the double-dip, but I would like to clarify my post above. I have no problem with people not believing in homosexual marriage. I had a hard time with it myself until not long ago. I´m also not defending Mary or her partner´s style of response to Liz. What bothered me was that Liz had apparently not made a peep about this before and just sprang it on her family publicly while running for office in a conservative state. So I detect more than a faint odor of political motivation. But she managed by coming out with the opposition in this way to have both herself and her sister somewhat tarnished, which is very unfortunate as both of them are or were valuable assets.

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Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

White is not right: Campus admins ask
for help weeding out white people

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Daily Caller, by Robby Soave    Original Article
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Western Washington University sent a questionnaire to students asking them for advice on how the administration could succeed at making sure that in future years, “we are not as white as we are today.” The question notes that WWU’s racial make up does not perfectly reflect the nation at large, and asks students to consider strategies that other universities have used to focus on skin color as the paramount indicator of a student-applicant’s worth. The president of WWU has stated that his explicit goal is to reduce the white population on campus, according to Campus Reform. “I’ve said before and I’ll say it

Former US president joins
opposition to Keystone XL

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Houston Chronicle, by Jennifer A. Dlouhy    Original Article
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WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Progressive Insurance
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National Review Online, by Victor Davis Hanson    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 10:08:10 PM     Post Reply
How do you ensure that you won’t be ostracized, denounced, or fired if you are a media celebrity, captain of industry, or high public official? For some, sexist banter is certainly no problem. Stand-up comedian Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a c–t and a tw-t, but suffered no ill consequences. David Letterman joked on air that Sarah Palin’s 14-year-old daughter had had sex with Alex Rodriguez during a New York Yankees game. There was no downside to that either. President Obama tosses around “sweetie” as he wishes. No problem with that. No one believes Barack could be condescending to women.

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