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Insurance Executives Speak Out
Against ACA, Anonymously

National Review Online, by Eliana Johnson

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Posted By:Dreadnought, 11/5/2013 8:16:14 PM

Many insurance executives whose companies are offering plans on the federal exchanges are frustrated with the realities that the rollout of the Affordable Care Act have laid bare. They’re talking about it, yes, but prying a quote from them on the record is a different matter. Health care consultant Larry Thompson says that for them, speaking up would be “suicide.” “They are afraid to say anything because they don’t want HHS all over them,” he says. ”A lot of the carriers to Medicaid and Medicare work, they are afraid of retribution.” Last week, health care consultant Bob Laszewski told CNN

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Pros7767, 11/5/2013 8:23:15 PM     (No. 9600369)

It´s time for all of them to "Man-up" and expose this fraud in the WH. If they don´t they are equally complicit.

Grow some gonads guys. The American public is watching and waiting. Look your kids in the eye and tell them why you won´t do something.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 11/5/2013 9:04:36 PM     (No. 9600425)

I´m in the business and I agree with # 1 wholeheartedly.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: uno, 11/5/2013 9:04:56 PM     (No. 9600426)

Amen and a double "Like"!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: uno, 11/5/2013 9:05:43 PM     (No. 9600428)

Try again...
#1 - Amen and a double "Like"!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 11/5/2013 9:35:52 PM     (No. 9600464)

If we sent them all a copy of "Atlas Shrugged" do you think they would read it?

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Axeman, 11/5/2013 11:27:02 PM     (No. 9600599)

The Jackboot of tyranny on their throats?
In America?
No. Yes?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: steveW, 11/6/2013 1:48:31 AM     (No. 9600683)

Blacklists, Enemies lists... that´s "The Most Transparent Administration In History", isn´t it?

Socialism isn´t really about raising up the poor, it´s about tearing down the successful. Dear Leader´s MO, at every single turn.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: coyote, 11/6/2013 2:37:19 AM     (No. 9600696)

Yes, the problem with the ACA goes beyond website snafu. The act is economically dysfunctional. The delivery of medical service will, in the future, be iffy.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Poobah, 11/6/2013 7:22:56 AM     (No. 9600827)

FTA: "He even suggests that some of the exchanges may close by 2015."

If the death spiral is well underway in 2015, Ted Cruz will be elected president in 2016.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Rinktum, 11/6/2013 7:33:49 AM     (No. 9600843)

#1, Nailed it! I can´t help but wonder if there are any courageous patriots in this country who are willing to expose this administration´s perfidy. Why don´t the executives of these health insurance companies get together and tell the truth about the consequences of Obamacare. There is safety in numbers. If they are truly that frightened, then that is all the more reason to speak out. I am just dumbfounded that Americans are so cowed by this administration. Is there nothing worth fighting for? Have we become so timid? If so, in the future, will be known as the cowardly generation.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: steph_gray, 11/6/2013 7:37:50 AM     (No. 9600852)

One word in the article amazed me - "disappointed."

How could any business person worth his salt in the private sector have ever thought highly enough of ObamaCare´s prospects to be disappointed now? Can´t they predict obvious market trends any better than that? There´s nothing happening with this monstrosity that wasn´t presaged here on l.com at least a dozen times in the Obammunist´s first term. Hello!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: MattMusson, 11/6/2013 7:45:35 AM     (No. 9600864)

I have NO sympathy for the insurers. They lobbied full out to get OBamaCare and the Insurance mandate thinking they would make out like bandits. Now, they are going to be demonized and beat up.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: tank, 11/6/2013 7:48:54 AM     (No. 9600869)

They are caught between a rock and a hard place. We all know what will happen if they do speak up - they will be accused of being fat-cat rich isurane eecutives who are trying to screw those poor little guys who are just trying to get the needed coverage the eeevil health care systemhas been denied for years. Protestors will show up at their homes, they will be accused of being tight with the Bogey Man (Koch Brothers), and somebody will be found to say they have no respect for women because they snuck a kiss from little Suzy in third grade.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Donna M, 11/6/2013 7:54:01 AM     (No. 9600881)

#11, if you ever worked for a large insurer (like I did on contract for a year for largest HC insurer in NJ) you would totally understand why they went for it. All insurers are highly regulated by the states, but in NJ especially so by DOBI. This one was looking forward to an influx of high premium/high deductible individual policies and ´going retail´ on top of maintaining their profitable mid to large group and ASA business--and busting down small practices, especially psychiatrists, and hospitals, with low reimbursement and ´new care models´. Well, these guys, who are highly paid bureaucrats par excellence without an original thought among them, finally outsmarted themselves. Their group business will go south along with the individual.

Most of your large nationals (Humana, Aetna, Optum/United HC, Cigna to a degree) have already diversified themselves into other services other than the insurance business, to the point where I believe UHC will spin insurance off.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: FenwayFrank, 11/6/2013 7:54:35 AM     (No. 9600883)

#12 is right, and to which I add: When will anyone learn there is no upside in dealing with the devil?

Insurance companies. Catholic Bishops Conference. Congressman Sustak. We The People. The list goes on and on.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: M2, 11/6/2013 7:56:59 AM     (No. 9600889)

This is the death panel without even having to proactively ration health care. The rationing will happen automatically, through attrition. It´s the same thing as saying "You can keep your insurance and your doctor, if they´re still there at all."

This is sinister and insidious and just plain evil.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 11/6/2013 7:58:13 AM     (No. 9600891)

They will not speak in public because whoever does will be left out of the coming bailout.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: walcb, 11/6/2013 8:01:56 AM     (No. 9600907)

The insurance companies were quite when they heard the promise of every American buying an insurance policy, with sugar plums and dollar signs dancing in their head. Now that they can see that they will have to run this like a charity and/or the government will take over all of these policies it doesn´t look so swell.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: civilservant, 11/6/2013 8:14:43 AM     (No. 9600931)

Amen!!! #15!!
You have elucidated exactly why I no longer attend the Church I was confirmed in, my child was christened in and that I had attended most of my life.

One cannot roll in the gutter without getting dirty, and the organizations you listed cannot get that thru their heads.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: P51DMustang, 11/6/2013 8:35:12 AM     (No. 9600966)

The Insurance Executives are still responsible to their shareholders. If their stock price and earnings deteriorate, they will lose their jobs.

At some point, these executives will have to speak out. Hopefully they speak before they tank their companies.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Grambo, 11/6/2013 8:57:05 AM     (No. 9600998)

The AP has a story this morning describing the collapse of the medical system in Venezuela. By next year they’ll be able to republish that story substituting America for Venezuela. Obama is our Chavez.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: planetgeo, 11/6/2013 10:27:31 AM     (No. 9601171)

Aside from the obvious reasons already mentioned (i.e., (a) they fear retribution, and (b) they´re cowards), there´s another reason why the insurance execs are silent. They see some significant short-term profits that will pad their quarterly bonuses and puff up their golden parachutes when it all comes crashing down like the last flight of the Hindenburg (as they know it will).

I give it 3, maybe 4, quarters max for insurance company profits to rise dramatically...and then comes the flaming nose dive when the costs explode.

These execs are thinking they will have piled up enough by then to parachute safely away. Little do they know what evil lurks in the hearts of the Obamunists, and what will happen eventually to those golden parachutes (401ks, savings accounts, and other assets).

Think again, guys. This is your last chance to do something about it.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: RancherJack, 11/6/2013 10:27:47 AM     (No. 9601172)

There´s no turning back, folks.

Unless our military steps in, we´re headed for the bad version of Venezuela.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: peterfleming, 11/6/2013 11:03:20 AM     (No. 9601229)

Just got wiped out. guess mentioning Austrian school legendary economist, Ludwig Von Mises, was too much for the monitor.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Franz, 11/6/2013 11:10:51 AM     (No. 9601238)

May the Good Lord save us from fanatical idealists! Where is it written that standing-on-principle and being an idealist means one must act stupidly!

I believe in fighting the battles that I have a chance of winning. The "de-fund Obamacare" battle had absolutely no chance of winning. It makes Don Quixote´s tilting at windmills look down right rational by comparison. The irrational ideology of Ted Cruz makes the other side look more reasonable. Heaven help us if he is nominated to run for President.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: peterfleming, 11/6/2013 11:18:45 AM     (No. 9601256)

This is the most easy to see, obvious step to government´s near violent move to the controlling of a major industry. Von Mises defined it as "fascism".
This industry is in fear of speaking out. They need Martha Stewart, Ron Paul, Jon Voight, Donald Trump,
SOMEBODY, or several honest outspoken patriots to speak out for this Nazi style silenced industry´s. Ted Cruz is the perfect prospect, the only elected with earned intelligence and the strength of honesty. No other active politician has that scholarly, gutsy combination. We are in trouble when a major industry is SILENCED !

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Reply 27 - Posted by: djcdjc, 11/6/2013 11:39:43 AM     (No. 9601295)

Food stamps, diabetes, medicaid.......

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Reply 28 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 11/6/2013 11:40:42 AM     (No. 9601298)

You people disgust me!

All outraged because the insurance co. people will not throw themselves on their swords for us; mad at the RNC for not helping Cucchinelli win in VA (where Dem turnout exceeded the righteous Republican turnout); for being mad at John Roberts for knuckling under (to blackmail?) not saving us from Obamacare; for buying in to the media narrative that Ted Cruz´s actions shut down the government; etc.

When was the last time you got off your lazy arses and went out in the cold to march or picket something?! Did you do enough (financially and in the GOTV effort) to elect a Republican president in 2012? Are you demanding that your Senators begin impeachment proceedings against the dictator?!

When you farm out your freedom to others, you enslave yourself.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: pickle1, 11/6/2013 11:50:29 AM     (No. 9601313)

Why did the insurance sign on to this thing in the first place? They should have known it was a very bad deal.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: bigbird, 11/6/2013 12:08:49 PM     (No. 9601356)

Big business is no longer relying on capitalism to make money. They have found an easier way to make money.....partner with the government to drive profits. You can see this in Healthcare (they lobbied for Obamacare), Fast Food and Service Industry (lobbying for amnesty), High Tech (via lobbying for amnesty, patent trolls who threaten competitors, etc), Manufacturing (GM taking government handouts in return for screwing over bondholders), and big Pharma (again, lobbying for Obamacare). The problem with this is that when you give the Government power to screw over your competitors and customers, you inherently give them the power to screw you too. That will ultimately happen but big business doesn´t care b/c all they care about is next quarters/years´ profits. By the time the government comes after big business, the execs will have already cash out of their stock options. Lesson learned? Do not support big business. They are no longer a friend of conservatism/capitalist. They are no better than the statists running this country.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: strike3, 11/6/2013 12:59:43 PM     (No. 9601438)

Amen, #28. The government exists and operates at the will of the people. Any big business depends on one thing, customers, people. If the insurance executives don´t fear us more than they do obama, they should.

If we want obamacare dead and we want big insurance to straighten itself out, it is up to us. Don´t obey the dictator, he is a toothless pansy. Don´t fear the IRS, work to abolish them. Don´t buy products that you think are shabby and overpriced, like medical insurance. They gouged us before and they will gouge us more under obamacare - but only if we let them.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: pineledger, 11/6/2013 1:25:13 PM     (No. 9601470)

Welcome to the Third World/Fourth Reich.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Mother of AL, 11/6/2013 2:32:36 PM     (No. 9601559)

By God´s grace, 46 years ago I married a physician (always said in nurses training I wouldn´t). We thought we would have a good retirement, be able to work nationally and internationally, ministering to those in need. After several crooks along the way, we ended up having to file bankruptcy 2 years ago. So now we will still be able to minister to those in need, fellow conservatives who don´t have access to health care. And...by God´s grace hopefully we can do that.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Mother of AL, 11/6/2013 2:38:12 PM     (No. 9601571)

Sorry for the double post. # 23, love your posts, would love to have the ranch next to you. But...I have read several articles that 0 is getting rid of any military people who disagree with him, from officers to brand new enlists. I asked several military people several years ago if the military would fire on citizens. Answer was some would and some wouldn´t. He is weeding out those who wouldn´t. We are history. In fact one article I read questioned if he is doing this with the idea of putting martial law into effect. From a legitimate source. I think I still have the reference if anyone wants it.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Antiquegolf, 11/6/2013 3:28:45 PM     (No. 9601657)

Reply 34, I might be too late. Please provide that reference. Thank you.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: gopack, 11/6/2013 3:30:34 PM     (No. 9601661)

When they were trying to pass the bill, WellPoint spoke out loudly against it, unlike sycophant United Health. In fact there was a full page WSJ article by its ceo, Angela Braly, that ripped Obamacare to shreds. WellPoint got its head handed to them (its VP of public Relations got audited by the IRS, for example), so nobody´s going to do it again.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 11/6/2013 4:22:11 PM     (No. 9601731)

Seriously?..."speaking up would be suicide”!!! This statement indicates the complete loss of a moral compass in this country.
Only the "love of money" can explain the silence of these businessmen. The same goes for those who know what happened in Benghazi and are more concerned with protecting their pensions.


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Reply 38 - Posted by: Mother of AL, 11/6/2013 4:35:50 PM     (No. 9601752)

# 35, hold on. I´m getting permission from the staff

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Mother of AL, 11/6/2013 7:54:32 PM     (No. 9601998)

# 35 Look at The Connection

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Reply 40 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 11/6/2013 10:25:03 PM     (No. 9602153)

Trouble posting tonight.

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Living in the New York Times World
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American Thinker, by J. Paul Masko    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/19/2014 7:48:36 AM     Post Reply
I began reading the entirety of the first section of the New York Times at nine years old, and continued that practice, more or less, for decades.(snip) ...the power of reverence, intrinsic to what I call the “cascade” of The Times: the near avalanche-like flow and distribution of information through electronic and print networks: through like-minded network newscasts, magazines, local newspaper s, blogs, daytime talk TV, late-night entertainment, statements at media award ceremonies, the celebrity Twitterverse, etc. The cascade rolls through Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, The New Yorker, the mouths of third-grade teachers, Elmo, Madonna and Susan Sarandon …through

´America´s royal baby´: How Chelsea´s first
child could give Hillary Clinton a boost in
the polls if she runs for president in 2016

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Jessica Jerreat    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/19/2014 7:12:10 PM     Post Reply
For Hillary Clinton, having her own baby grandchild to kiss on the campaign trail, could be one of the biggest boosts to her possible presidential election campaign. Although the former Secretary of State and First Lady has not said if she will run in 2016, the arrival of her first grandchild will soften her image, analysts have said. While Chelsea only revealed her pregnancy on Thursday, supporters of her mother have already started cooing over a possible baby in the White House. With the Clintons having a near-royal status in the U.S., the announcement of a new arrival due this fall has sent

In a Hole, Golf Considers
Digging a Wider One

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New York Times, by Bill Pennington    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/19/2014 10:48:33 AM     Post Reply
GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

Obama: ´For me, Easter is a story of hope,
a belief in a better day to come´

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/19/2014 9:16:36 AM     Post Reply
Hi, everybody. For millions of Americans, this time of year holds great meaning. Earlier this week, we hosted a Passover Seder at the White House, and joined Jewish families around the world in their re-tellings of the story of the Exodus and the victory of faith over oppression. And this Sunday, Michelle, Malia, Sasha, and I will join our fellow Christians around the world in celebrating the Resurrection of Christ, the salvation he offered the world, and the hope that comes with the Easter season. These holy days have their roots in miracles that took place long ago. And yet, they still inspire us, guide us, and strengthen us today. They remind us of our

Harry Reid calls dissident Nevada ranchers
´domestic terrorists´ following show of
force against the federal government

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 4/19/2014 9:29:17 AM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:09:17 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?


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