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The Tea Party’s coming vindication
Washington Times, by Jeffrey T. Kuhner

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Posted By:Desert Fox, 10/18/2013 7:15:06 AM

The debt deal simply hastens the day of reckoning The conventional wisdom is wrong. The mainstream media — and their parrots in the Republican establishment — are claiming that President Obama decisively won the government shutdown battle. In fact, the narrative being peddled is that the GOP brand has been badly damaged, paving the way for a possible Democratic Party takeover of the House of Representatives in the 2014 elections. This is puerile nonsense. Tea Party Republicans, led by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, may have lost the battle, but they are poised for a major victory in the larger Obamacare war. Liberal

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: MattMusson, 10/18/2013 7:36:08 AM     (No. 9570712)

When the middle class gets slapped in the face with a huge cost increase they are going to ask, "Why didn´t someone warn us? Why wasn´t this stopped?"

The TeaParty will say, "We tried."

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Reply 2 - Posted by: ADNova, 10/18/2013 7:46:43 AM     (No. 9570738)

I´m afraid there are a lot of people who need to cool their heads in the freezer. Sharon Angle, Christine O´Donnell, Todd Akin, and Richard Mourdock taught them nothing. We got lucky with Toomey, Rubio, and Lee. Cruz will undo this small bit of progress ten times over.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: stablemoney, 10/18/2013 7:49:35 AM     (No. 9570742)

Frog march Obama and the democrats out of DC. Joe Wilson will explain how it is done.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: trapper, 10/18/2013 8:06:19 AM     (No. 9570782)

I can´t wait for Cruz II. By the ides of January he will have 3 additional months of Obamacare fails to talk about on the Senate floor. That should be enough for THREE days and nights. Make Obama and the dems eat that crap sandwich over and over again. This has just barely started.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Rinktum, 10/18/2013 8:08:03 AM     (No. 9570787)

If the Republicans are smart, and I have no reason to believe they are. They would being TODAY running ads explaining the reality of Obamacare. There are plenty of real examples that could do the talking for them. Unless the GOP finds its backbone and starts fighting this fight NOW, nothing changes. The left and establishment Republicans believe they have cowed Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and others like them. Come out swinging! Put the truth before the American people. Use any means, print, TV, social media to inform the people. Don´t let up. People need the truth.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: baldguy, 10/18/2013 8:18:14 AM     (No. 9570800)

I´d love to see Cruz bring out his replacement plan...let the private sector fix it. Let insurance companies sell across the country....get some competition! Geico and Progressive seem to be doing well on the auto side. How come we see advertising for Lasik but nothing else? Fix that too.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Janjan, 10/18/2013 8:31:36 AM     (No. 9570819)

#2 it is fascinating when a passionate, articulate, committed conservative like Cruz emerges and instantly the media, liberals and RINO´s go into attack dog mode. They tell us exactly who they are afraid of - and it sure isn´t Amnesty Rubio. It´s even more fascinating when conservative voters get manipulated into jumping on the bandwagon.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Farmwife1, 10/18/2013 8:33:13 AM     (No. 9570822)

The dimbos have controlled 2/3 of the government. How can people still believe it is the Republican´s fault we are in this mess?

There is no reason or logic with these people.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: dodge boy, 10/18/2013 8:36:45 AM     (No. 9570830)

"Will Americans wake up before it´s too late?"

We already have. But now, more need to wake up.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: gaeditor, 10/18/2013 8:40:46 AM     (No. 9570839)

#2, what’s the problem?

The TP lost four and they won four. First time out. Not perfect, but perfectly acceptable, IMHO. Libertarians, Green Party, et al. have never gotten that many candidates elected at once.

It took seven years for the Libertarian Party to get its first guy elected. They managed to get 80 members by their first year- eighty.

Frankly, I think four winners the first time out was excellent!

The people in Delaware and Nevada chose their candidates, is that a bad thing? Angle and O´Donnell were awful choices, in my opinion, but I don´t live in Delaware or Nevada so I keep it to myself.

How was Mourdock´s rape comment worse than Harry Reid´s statement saying the he couldn´t understand why people think he should care about children with cancer? People say stupid stuff; you just hope it isn´t your guy (and pray its Harry Reid). No one is immune from saying stupid things.

Perfection rarely, or ever, exists in human endeavor. If that´s what is hoped for, those who oppose the Tea Party will be pleased -they are not perfect -but they will be sorely disappointed in anything anyone does. One thing we do know, Tea Party representatives seem to be honest, a sorely missing virtue in Washington today and willing to fight and to focus on saving me money. They aren´t giving up, either, no matter how much invective is hurled their way. Not much to hate there, is there?

As for Cruz, he´s a smart guy, really clever, obviously capable of leadership. He knows the law. And is one heck of a debater.

He is also the first Hispanic Senator from Texas, which isn´t a bad thing either.

And then there´s his dad....


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Reply 11 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 10/18/2013 8:42:07 AM     (No. 9570843)

Sorry #2 but I think it would serve everyone well to remember that the most damage done to the candidates you mentioned was at the hands of the Republican Establishment and their handmaidens. Think Tokyo Rove.

Republicans are always banging on about having to win to govern, and then attack their own for lack of purity. That is why the Dems always win, they always stand firm behind their candidates.

Granted, they have help from the MSM, but this isn´t the early 90´s, we now have a viable alternative media and the internet to get out the Conservative message.

But there the rub, Republicans are not Conservatives! As soon as people accept that fact we may have a fighting chance.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: arkfamily, 10/18/2013 8:45:54 AM     (No. 9570852)

Why do we have to come out swinging? That plays into the other side´s handbook. They want to paint the Tea Party as violent, racist, and any other adjective that can be used. They look at aggressive behavior as an "I told you so" and quite honestly I´m not lowering my standards to the way Obama and the liberals behave. They operate deceptively.

Now, does that mean I won´t be assertive? Absolutely not. I will define myself in conservative terms. They are: government by and for the people, spending accountability, balanced budgets, reduction of regulations, individual responsibility & freedom, strong national security, utilization of natural resources, defenders of second amendment.

Unbelievably, when I use that criteria for my personal household, it works out well, too. We really need to be smart about this. Our country and future depends on it. No time to waste.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: kate318, 10/18/2013 9:13:09 AM     (No. 9570896)

With all due respect, #12, they´d "paint" us "as violent, racist, and any other adjective that can be used", even if we invented a cure for cancer, ended poverty and stopped so-called global warming. Why not fight for a change?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: gator, 10/18/2013 9:22:58 AM     (No. 9570926)

# 2, I’m afraid your head has been in the freezer a bet too long.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: beca, 10/18/2013 9:23:03 AM     (No. 9570927)

so the repubs are to blame...blame the repubs.....it is all the repubs fault.....ted cruz is nuts.....rinos are the worst...and on and on.....what about the dems in the senate...the dems in the house...no budget from the senate.....no cuts in anything...yet it is all repubs faults...hear it everywhere...at least SOME OF THEM fought...blame the senate repubs...they are worthless......had they stood with the house repubs itnight have been a different story....let ocare play out...............it is a trainwreck of huge portions.......it will destroy the countr and oama with it...wait and see...

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Illinois Resident, 10/18/2013 9:29:48 AM     (No. 9570946)

Let´s see, there will be a new dam in Kentucky, isn´t that right, Senator McConnell? There is probably a bridge across the dessert in Arizona, isn´t that right, Senator McNasty McCain? Time to put down the out-dated "political pork" playbook from ancient American history. Hopefully your greedy, self-serving,old-time territorialism is not at the expense of the whole country.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: quantumman, 10/18/2013 9:31:04 AM     (No. 9570953)

Remember Churchill (who was eventually reviled by the media and his people for being right) said never, never, never, never, never give in. Cruz and Lee were the first shot in a battle that started a war that all people are aware of now. Other than trying to win (rather than taking show votes) was the point.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Arby, 10/18/2013 9:36:57 AM     (No. 9570969)

The Tea Party is like Churchill before the war, trying desperately to inform the people that we are in very big trouble and about to face a war that could have been prevented. No one listened. Then came the blood, sweat and tears. Neville Chamberlain is now a metaphor for cowardice and appeasement; Churchill is the greatest statesman of the twentieth century and perhaps of all times. When the middle class starts facing horrendous co-pays and deductibles and sees that Obama´s plan was nothing but a tissue of lies . . . there will be a reckoning.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: bighambone, 10/18/2013 9:57:25 AM     (No. 9571002)

the Tea Party will never be vindicated in the minds of many if the liberal media has anything to say about that.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: maryc, 10/18/2013 10:21:05 AM     (No. 9571046)

The press will never let the lofos believe that the dims are at fault. Under carter the interest rates determined his defeat. We even had a misery index. There were mre people working and supporting themselves then. The problem now will be how many on the dole don´t care. They could still win until we are truly bankrupt and it´s all out panic for food from the government. What happened in Greece will look mild in comparrison . I pray a lot now. Only God can help us when so much hatred envy and greed is being preached from this administration and the press

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Adam, 10/18/2013 10:26:06 AM     (No. 9571053)

Remember Goldwater paving the way for Reagan. AuH2O said of 1964, "this isn´t one for the record books. it´s one for the history books." of course, the Tea Party would lose the fight. But they stood for something and, therefor, will not been seen as saps who will fall for anything.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 10/18/2013 10:39:40 AM     (No. 9571074)

#2. Get your facts straight. Akin was not the tea party candidate in the Missouri primary. He won because the Democrats did his work for him in a multi-candidate ace, spending money complaining about how he was too conservative. Enough lo-info types bought into it.

Let´s also talk about the losers the establishment loved in 2012- John Raese in West Virginia and Dino Rossi in Washington. Like O´Donnell, both had been rejected by voters in prior races for statewide office- Raese so many times he seems to be trying to rival Harold Stassen. West Virgini might have been winnable with a fresh candidate.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Me?Opinionated?Nah!, 10/18/2013 10:41:50 AM     (No. 9571078)

Snafu + Clusterfu = The Obama Administration and everything it and its devotees stand for.

To me, The Tea Party is a frame of mind. I don’t have to sign-up somewhere to know I’m a proud, non-card-carrying member. I don’t attend rallies and hold up signs and chant slogans and the like because I’m unable to. However, I’m there, doing those things in spirit. My chapter just happens to be a vicarious one. Works for me!



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Reply 24 - Posted by: RancherJack, 10/18/2013 10:44:35 AM     (No. 9571084)

Jeffery Kuhner is smoking rope.

History last seen laughing hysterically, running away ..

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Reply 25 - Posted by: StormCnter, 10/18/2013 10:59:45 AM     (No. 9571114)

#23, your attack is misguided. #2 said nothing about "tea party". The names she listed certainly were losers, however, and cost us winnable seats. The primary challenger to Mitch McConnell in Kentucky fits your description of what happened with Mourdock. Bevan was recruited by the Kentucky Democrats and is heavily funded by those same people. I´m not a fan of Senator McConnell any more, but we sure do need to hang on to that seat and Bevan is not the person who can do it.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 10/18/2013 11:01:36 AM     (No. 9571116)

Right in the middle of actually describing America´s pitiful future, Mr. Kuhner drops this ridiculously optimistic prayer:

"Mr. Cruz, along with Sens. Rand Paul of Kentucky and Mike Lee of Utah, represent the future."

Then he adds: "Will Americans wake up before it’s too late?"

Jeffrey, wake up, it is too late.

[N.B. It will please you to learn that this is my last post on the state of the nation. I´ve begun sounding too much like the agents provocateur on this site. And, in any case, I am finally going to take the sage advice of Thumper´s mother: "If you can´t say anything nice,..."]

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Reply 27 - Posted by: two frogs, 10/18/2013 11:16:57 AM     (No. 9571141)

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Jebediah, 10/18/2013 11:27:54 AM     (No. 9571156)

I don´t believe the Tea Party will be vindicated. Obama & Co. conducted polls and found the words Tea Party are golden, so they use abuse of it as their mantra, and the Main Stream Media goes on from there, as well as the talking heads on MSNBC and CNN et al. I have had well educated friends talk to me about its racism etc. I ask the source and it is "everybody knows" or they don´t want to hear it. As long as the Press goes on about the Tea Party there will be no vindication, as nobody knows what it stands for: witness the polls where people are asked whether they want less spending, smaller government etc. and then are told that is the Tea Party stance----and they are shocked! And probably don´t believe it.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: two frogs, 10/18/2013 11:30:20 AM     (No. 9571162)

I have a very chilling question to ask. What if Mr. Obama committed a serious,malicious, premeditated, and obvious crime? And what if he performed this obvious crime on primetime national television and had millions and millions of eye-witnesses? What would happen?

a.) He would be arrested
b.) He would not be arrested
c.) The press would cover for him
d.) Nothing would happen
e.) b, c, and d above.

i know. The answer I came up with was chilling...



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Reply 30 - Posted by: gone2pot, 10/18/2013 11:32:01 AM     (No. 9571172)

Bravo to Cruz and Lee. And of course we just borrowed a trillion dollars to pay our debt obligations. Stunning. But here´s what´s coming this late December. A few months ago ZeroHedge published much data regarding how poorly retailers are going to do this Christmas BECAUSE of Obamacare (they released the data long before the shutdown). Did you hear Mr Obama in his fanny spanking speech tacitly blame any and all upcoming bad things on Cruz shutting down the government? So, WHEN Mr Obama uses that for the reason for poor Christmas sales (or Winter holiday sales for those in Rio Linda) and WHEN the media does exactly the same thing (starting of course with Krugman), and when Rove et al agree, you´ll know it´s been proven that Obamacare did it. Go to ZH, search for it and you can find it.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Jebediah, 10/18/2013 11:34:11 AM     (No. 9571174)

And may I add that, in his own way, Cruz is as bad as Todd Akin. He battered on and on on defunding Obamacare, something that was NEVER going to happen and offered no positive end game beyond publicity for Cruz, and now we look like fools and are actually in danger of NOT winning the Senate and losing in the House.....and THAT would be our chance to get rid of Obamacare. Why the man, WHO I USED TO ADMIRE, can´t use the air time he easily gets now, to talk about insurance across state lines etc., POSITIVES (that will also not go through but that people can identify with) is way beyond me. I am beginning to dislike Cruz, and I was initially a big fan. As to Rubio, he lost me forever with Immigration and his weak stance and agreement over horrendous give ins. He is NOT a Presidential factor, nor is Cruz.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: jglas, 10/18/2013 11:36:13 AM     (No. 9571177)

The United States is a giant bus that is rushing toward an economic precipice. A few more years of Mr. Obama’s borrow-and-spend policies and America will crash upon the rocks of fiscal reality and national insolvency. The Democrats are keeping their foot on the gas pedal, full speed ahead. The Republican establishment thinks we may need to slow down — at least a little. The bus, however, will still go off the cliff. Only the Tea Party is saying — in fact, yelling — to hit the brakes. They’re right, and they will be vindicated. The only question is this: Will Americans wake up before it’s too late?

That is a really nice analogy that perfectly captures the situation we are in, a situation to which I think most people are obliviously asleep. They won´t wake up if nothing disturbs their sleep. The Tea Party needs to get a bit louder and rowdier.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: dman, 10/18/2013 11:55:07 AM     (No. 9571199)

Dittos, #22. (I still have my AuH2O-MCMLXIV bumper sticker somewhere!) What we are experiencing are the birth pains of a new party. The Pubs are looking to 2014 like they did 2012. We are looking longer term. The "good cop"/"bad cop" GOP/Dem juggernaut must be stopped.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: nevernaught, 10/18/2013 12:03:37 PM     (No. 9571217)

To steal a line from a Brad Pitt movie, ´The first guy through the wall always gets bloodied´. Consider the Tea Party in that category. They threaten the establishment in Washington DC and their smarmy ways of trading favors, so each can get re-elected. All sectors of government are infected at every level.

Yes, the Tea Party has made some mistakes. On the other side of the coin, they have elected a huge number of reformers and each party fears their growing influence. They are doing this against great odds. If they weren´t effective, politicians on both sides of the aisle wouldn´t be crying wolf.

The most efficient way to change government is from the bottom up. Elect Conservative City and School officials in every district of the nation. They become recognized names and they run for, and are elected to County, State and Federal government positions. That is how it works. Liberals know this.

Just think, 87% of the voters think the government is heading in the wrong direction. That is fertile ground.


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Reply 35 - Posted by: Freeloader, 10/18/2013 12:13:06 PM     (No. 9571233)

Things were also looking bleak for our Constitutional Republic back in 1861, when Julia Ward Howe visited a Union troop encampment along the Potomac River near Washington, D.C. Next morning she arose and wrote the following immortal words:

"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord...He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored...He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword...His truth is marching on...Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!...His truth is marching on."

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Reply 36 - Posted by: sherlock1, 10/18/2013 12:22:58 PM     (No. 9571258)

#1 The TeaParty will say, "We tried."

Yes that is exactly what they should say, and then add "And when the Democrats and the media called us terrorists for trying to protect you from this monstrosity, who do you suppose THEY were trying to protect?"

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Reply 37 - Posted by: coyote56, 10/18/2013 1:36:42 PM     (No. 9571358)

When a nation puts Security before FREEDOM it will go down.

There are 2 problems: 1.Our military is dangerously depleted. 2. Republicans & conservatives are not telling the people the MAIN POINT that government will be running their entire personal health per the IRS & a non-medical group.

We are degenerate in every area. History is the "story of man´s old sin nature".
II Chronicles 7:14

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Mr smart, 10/18/2013 1:49:56 PM     (No. 9571392)

No matter how many have and are being fooled
by the likes of NBC when they find out how Obamacare hurts then the Tea Party will start looking good.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: owl, 10/18/2013 1:54:42 PM     (No. 9571400)

Read Breitbart for a shock : big business is supporting amnesty. Illegal immigrant amnsesty is the biggest worry we have. Why pelosi is loose, and her boss is going to go all out. They know the Tea Party is not a kook fringe, but the better part of the country, and we´re downright p.o.´d. Rush has mentioned it , that big business is so attacked with rules and regulations now, if they want to survive, they have to succumb to dc pressure. Time to boycott folks, and let´s start with GE.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: msjena, 10/18/2013 2:06:36 PM     (No. 9571421)

Isn´t Cruz the Republicans´ dream candidate--magna cum laude Harvard Law grad, Princeton,brilliant by all accounts, successful lawyer in private practice, Hispanic heritage, evangelical Christian? Yet the Republican establishment seems determined to destroy him.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Franz, 10/18/2013 2:23:00 PM     (No. 9571447)

Ted Cruz, with TEA party backing, has done more to disable the Republicans than all the efforts of Obama and the Democrats.

1. Before the "de-fund Obamacare" got started, the Republicans had a very strong argument that the reason Obama was asking for yet another increase in national debt limit was the out of control deficit spending. Somewhere near 80% of the American people strongly agreed.

2. At the same time most Americans were still trying to understand Obamacare (ACA). The Supreme Court decision declaring Obamacare constitutional seemed to put a stamp of approval on it. There was little support for killing Obamacare.

3. Unless there was a darn good reason, most Americans were apposed to a government shutdown.

What the Ted Cruz "de-fund Obamacare" effort did was to throw out the strong case for getting reductions in deficit spending and replacing it with the NO-WIN campaign to "kill" Obamacare for the 47th time. Ted Cruz even stated that the House bill had no chance as soon as it was passed, but refused to budge.

The result was that the Republicans received the blame for the shutdown, Obamacare was fully funded, there were no reductions in deficit spend, the sequester came close to being weakened and the Republicans are greatly weakened in all future negotiations.

Obama got almost everything he wanted while the Republicans got nothing. But, the de-fund Obamacare crowd is claiming a victory for standing on "principle." This only shows that standing on principle and being incredibly stupid are not mutually exclusive.



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Reply 42 - Posted by: gillyo, 10/18/2013 3:39:05 PM     (No. 9571549)

Anyone who thought that anyone had a chance against Harry Reid in Nevada is an idiot. He´s as crooked as they come and the fix is permanently in. The only way they´ll get rid of him is when he finally croaks.

I´ve noticed that there´s a lot of vitriol on this site between Republicans and Tea Party folks. Personally, I think the Republican party as it stands today is a joke. They can´t win elections, and all they do is roll over and play dead when Obama wants anything.

They´re weak and ineffectual, and I´m tired of hearing about how if the Tea Party people hadn´t done this or that then everything would have been wonderful. What are you people smoking? Don´t you realize that it doesn´t matter what we say or do? The right will always be demonized by the media and the Democrats. Republicans think they can hang on to their dwindling support by attacking the only people who are willing to put themselves out there and finally do something? Really, is this how "Republicans" think they can win elections?

We need to get in their faces the way they get in ours. Try it with a liberal you know. When they say something stupid, call them on it and see the response. They don´t have one other than to call names. So, now Cruz has them all in a tizzy. Good! Let´s see more and more of their insanity. The shutdown was a victory because every time we pull the curtain away from these folks the more they act up, and the more they turn people off.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: 10chuckarnold65, 10/18/2013 6:11:08 PM     (No. 9571712)

#7, that´s why their called the low information people, voters, whatever.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: michellewsc2, 10/18/2013 6:18:42 PM     (No. 9571718)

We keep hearing/seeing how the Tea Party is making moves and going to do this and that. Trouble is....it doesn´t ever seem to happen because there is no "one" person or platform for people to coalesce around. The Tea Party either needs to organize in a major way or just stop running off at the mouth.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 10/18/2013 7:29:30 PM     (No. 9571785)

The problem is that about 75% of the population have no concept of economics. It´s not taught in high schools anymore, or if it is, it´s all socialist B.S. A majority of the nation believes the food stamps will continue, along with the unemployment checks and Obama-goodies. How shocked they´ll be, like the Walmart shoppers in Louisiana a few weeks back, when they discover the system is down. Clearing the shelves will be standard procedure for American businesses as "flash mobs" of minority youths bash and dash

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Reply 46 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 10/18/2013 7:35:51 PM     (No. 9571789)

#2, and other LDot moderates:

"We have not yet begun to fight!"
~ Ted Cruz/John Paul Jones

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Reply 47 - Posted by: nonsense, 10/18/2013 8:37:23 PM     (No. 9571844)

#2 I would not include Pat Toomey in the "good" Senators list. Remember the gun control bill he sponsored with Joe Manchin from West Virigina? The rumor was that Pat was on Joe´s boat for a party and they got chummy. It seems it did not take long for the establishment Republicans to co-op Toomey. I have written to him several times and gotten form letters in return. I finally told him to stop sending the insincere form letters and that I will not be voting for him in the next election. He is on my "dead to me" list.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 10/18/2013 8:43:54 PM     (No. 9571855)

Ignore all the rhetoric and propaganda put out by the Dems, Republicans, and the media.

Obama never negotiated on anything. He was combative. Much like a thug.

He shutdown the government and then blamed the Republicans for his own actions.

At least the conservatives tried to stand up to him.

Obama is a tyrant and a bully. Keep standing up to him, and the more it will become evident.

Doubt he can be stopped much. Obama seems to have successfully nullified all the checks and balances in our government.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: nonsense, 10/18/2013 8:52:16 PM     (No. 9571862)

Pardon the second post, but I re-read all of the comments after I posted. My question is, how does #26 know that #2 is a "she"?

Sometimes I think that groups of Lucianne commentors live in the same neighborhood.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: suedotsue, 10/18/2013 9:49:22 PM     (No. 9571918)

Top 10 GOP Senate losses in 2012 by establishment and Karl Rove backed candidates: Connie Mack IV (strongly backed by Jeb Bush), Linda McMahon, former Sen. George Allen, Former Rep. Heather Wilson lost in New Mex., Tommy Thompson lost in Wisc. (establishment muscled out newer candidates to force ultra Beltway Thompson who of course lost), in Hawaii, former Gov. Linda Lingle lost Senate bid, in Michigan former Rep. Pete Hoekstra lost Senate bid by 20.8 pts., in N. Dakota, sitting Rep. Rick Berg lost Senate race, in Mass. Sen. Scott Brown lost, in Montana, Rep. Denny Rehberg lost in what they said would be an easy win. Obama lost Montana by 13.7 pts. in 2012. The GOP establishment choice was so weak it couldn´t even beat the most vulnerable dem., Jon Tester. The GOP establishment beat the Tea Party, not the democrats. Case closed.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 10/19/2013 9:43:14 AM     (No. 9572386)

#50 They all probably hang out on the other forum on Lucianne.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: peterfleming, 10/19/2013 4:21:29 PM     (No. 9572911)

The Tea Party is spontaneous, it´s everywhere! It´s VOX POP, We teh People !
no matter what any Communists, fascists say.
When anybody knocks the Tea Party, just remember who they are, and walk away.
Talk radio, the Tea Party, the internet, social, even some of the very controlled Fox TV News, all all helping to free up America. Old fashioned lying politicians are getting caught at a much faster rate of speed than ever before. A guy who takes advantage of the Tea Party, turns traitor, like Rubio, is exposed immediately. He is done. This could not have happened even ten years ago.


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Reply 53 - Posted by: Mother of AL, 10/19/2013 8:41:17 PM     (No. 9573145)

Oh, please #36, learn some history. Julia Ward Howe was a Unitarian, her father was a preacher in the Unitarian church. Along with Emerson and Thoreau and they did not believe in the Christian God. That song is about the Union army being god and coming to destroy! Which, by the way, is when we got into the cess pool that is modern Washington DC! I could go on forever, but this should be enough to show you don´t know what you are talking about!


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