We’ve got to get the Rockefeller Republicans out of the party,” a fellow told me in Minnesota recently. Or was it Arizona? Or Wilkes-Barre, Pa.? Actually, I think it was all three. I hear it all the time as I travel around the country speaking to conservative groups. For those of you who don’t know, the Rockefeller Republicans — named after the former New York governor Nelson Rockefeller — were the liberal, mostly Northeastern wing of the Republican party. Liberal Republican sounds like a contradiction in terms today, particularly for young people who grew up in the age of strictly ideological
Did anyone here feel the results of the shutdown? Maybe some that wanted to visit a memorial, but I could not even tell it was closed. Of course, for the most part it wasn´t - PBO called back anyone he wanted to, again ignoring the law.
To do that, the GOP needs to persuade voters to become a little more conservative, not to hector already-conservative politicians to become even more pure as they go snipe-hunting for the Rockefeller Republicans
Its my feeling that there are *plenty* of conservative voters already but that the week-kneed, go-along-to-get-along, live-to-fght-another-day, namby-pamby, grab-what-you-can approach to the current crop of establishment republicans is what dispirits their voters from showing up at the polls. If our current GOP establishment politicians are so conservative, as Jonah claims, then they should demonstrate it and give the throngs of conservatives something to vote FOR.
FIGHT FOR US, like Ted Cruz does. When someone like Cruz shows backbone, don´t undermine him at every step. Conservative or not, the current crop of GOP politicians do not seem to want to win, even though they do have the ability to win (at least some things) if they are cohesive.
Throughout the last two plus weeks, I had the feeling McConnell, Cornyn, Boehner, Cantor, etc., just wanted to keep the status-quo. They could not see the chance to further our cause...even if just a step. They did everything in their power to thwart their fellow Republicans...whom most of us supported because at least Cruz, Lee and Paul were willing to fight and unwilling to recline before the Democrat steamroller.
It was probably a losing battle, but it would have been nice if McConnell and Cornyn were not providing oppo reasearch on Cruz, Lee and Paul to various news outlets and the enemy Democrats.
Jonah´s right. I remember the Rockefeller Republicans and there is zero resemblance to any R in Congress now. "snipe-hunting" is an apt description for what is happening now. I understand that everyone doesn´t agree, but my opinion is that we have to stagger to the 2014 elections and then to 2016 and with the increased power of a strengthened House and a GOP Senate plus, maybe, a GOP White House, then is the time to fine-tune our troops. Not before. Trying to thin out the ranks now, just weakens the potential for election victories. This is not "go along, get along", it´s working and watching and then springing.
Flat out wrong about the origins and bloodlines of the establishment apparatus of the GOP as it relates back to the royal lines of Rockefeller, Romney, and Bush. all anticonservative, antiReagan, antireligious, and with a condescending attitude toward flyover country. It shows up every day.
They love government, their economics are Keynesian, they get their science from Malthus and Darwin and don´t see the current administration as a threat.
This was no more wasted energy than Reagan´s run in 76.
Millionaire congress-critters cease being for their electors when they become in it for themselves, either persuasion. Until Ted Cruz brings home the pork like Mitch McConnell, I´ll keep rooting for the Tea Party.
Jonah is right about one thing. We will never get Peter King to go away. Or Christie to become a conservative. Let it go. You can´t change the minds of an entire state.
People vote blindly. Those of us who are political junkies get all of the details because we love them. When people ask about my hobbies, I always lie and don´t say "Lucianne.com",
But they say things like "I think I´ll vote for..." like their deciding if they want the sugared cake doughnut or the chocolate covered one with sprinkle.
What? People need to understand what they are voting for and understand that there are consequences for their actions. Big ones. That´s the main reason we need to concentrate on Obamacare, like the first "Must Read" says. You know, "Choose a target."
Obamacare. Pveryone that doesn´t hate it will. Libbys who have gotten that first bill are already screaming. (OK. there are some liberals who won´t say they hate it, but they´re too stupid to bother with. Let those go.)
Start working to bring it down. That may mean campaigning. Going door-to-do, working polls, donating time, stuffing envelopes. It might even mean a meeting or protest, etc.
Post on liberal sites. Sound reasonable and smart. (Which we are!)
There is nothing a narcissist (Which most people in politics and media are) hates more than being wrong, being ridiculed, or being ignored.
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Lone Star Csar, 10/18/2013 7:43:43 AM (No. 9570725)
The Republican Party may not be dead, but it is on life support. In reading posts on another thread, I thought how much I don´t like the term RINO anymore because it implies the word Republican has some meaning beyond the name. It only describes a group of people loosely bound together by a greater willingness to compromise with progressives than conservatives.
They vote with progressives and now tell me if I want a voice in government, I have to vote with progressives, too.
They have worked very hard to marginalize the conservative caucus of the party. They have succeeded. Now the party will split because they have disenfranchised us.
Compromise Caucus, Now hear this: I would rather lose fighting and voting for conservatism than to suck up to Obama and his friends and be co-conspirator in spreading the cancer of progressivism. YOU all want us to compromise our principles because they are not YOUR principles. You don´t care about the right to bear arms. You don´t care about the lives of unborn. You don´t care about freedom of religious practice. You don´t care about rights of privacy, commerce or health. You don´t care about an oppressive tax burdern. You don´t care about increasing debt. You don´t care about bloated government. You compromisers are not conservatives. You are simply progressive-lite. You want to caucus with us, not because we have aligned beliefs, but because you want your version of statism, rather than theirs. Your vision of government isn´t less oppressive than the Dems, it is just different.
"I have enormous sympathy for their frustration, because I share it."
Amen, Jonah! I am not a Tea Party member. I sympathize with their goals and I applaud them for getting involved in the battle to turn back the liberal horde. But there is a lot of naivete running through the Tea Party that leads to bad tactics, bad candidates, and lost opportunities. It´s OK to make mistakes as long as you learn from them. My fear is that the Tea Party isn´t learning from its missteps.
FTA: "Instead, it was a fight over tactics and power."
So was the American Revolution. Nobody wanted to pay the taxes the British were imposing. However, some colonials thought the British acts intolerable and were prepared to kill or die to undo them; others thought the acts unwise but were not prepared to fight. The first group pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to fight for a noble cause with little chance of success. We call them our Founding Fathers. The second group choose discretion over valour and left the fighting to others. We call them Canadians.
I have a suggestion for accommodationist Republicans who have made their peace with our enemies: Move to Canada.
Hear, hear, #12! Initially I was intrigued by the Tea Party. And then I saw some local politicians who got elected as part of the Tea Party. Their idea of governing was...sitting on their hands! Not making government more efficient, not cutting waste and improving programs that needed improving, just...sitting. Saying "no". Do-nothings.
If the Tea Party is the "do-nothing" or "Just say no" party, then count me out. If they want to bring better ideas to the table, I´m willing to listen.
For Tea Partiers here, maybe your local Tea Party officials are more engaged than this. If so, don´t assume that it is the same all over the country. The Tea Party still has a lot of growing to do and has attracted some lazy folks along the way.
FTA: "Instead, it was a fight over tactics and power."
No Jonah, it was a fight against bought and paid for politicians and keeping the money flowing to K Street and Wall Street.
The Tea Party´s "wasted energy" just exposed the Establishment Republicans for what they are, money addicted political whores. That "wasted energy" also exposed that the world does not collapse when Washington D.C. is forced to shut down. It exposed that some services are just not needed, and others are far beyond bloated with unnecessary staffing and power.
That "wasted energy" also exposed that the Establishment Republicans are more willing to compromise with democrats then they are with its Tea Party base.
The only "wasted energy" in this whole affair is that which was spent trying to make the Republican Establishment do the right thing. It proves that the Republican Party is no longer a reliable entity to battle Washington D.C.´s lust for taxpayer money and insider payoffs.
The Republican Party just dug its grave three feet deeper, and supplied the number coffins that will be needed to be buried with it.
So we´re to stagger along until 2014 and 2016. Hmm - when Republicans last controlled both houses of Congress and the White House, what were the results: Prescription Drug coverage for seniors (the wealthiest segment of the population), No Child Left Behind, etc...
Nah. We only have to stagger, badly wounded, to 2014. It is my hope that election success there will eliminate the need to stagger any further. Even walking wounded, however, we have to get out and work instead of sitting back and wishing.
Both of my two Senators and my congressman voted against the re-opening. However, I would have liked the congressman to have voted for the bill that was proposed in the House and they never voted on. AS it is, I think what passed is worse than what would have happened if they never shut down the goverment. This all cost a lot of money and nothing is happening to cut the debt or to stop deficits, our military is taking the majority of cuts in the sequestration when that is one of the only required duties of our Constitution. But like one of the must reads states today=the ACA rollout and actual program is a complete disaster. FOr the people in my life who don´t have insurance, the program is totally unaffordable and useless.
Jonah is a very intelligent guy. Surprised that he would write such nonsense. Many have either gotten it or are finally getting it. The GOP Est. has never embraced conservative principle. NEVER, EVER! Since Taft in ´12, only 3 nominees out of 17 were principled conservatives. All the rest were an assortment of crooks, frauds, hustler and incompetents who governed from the left. Stone cold reality obvious to anyone w/even a solitary brain cell.
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