On his radio show Tuesday evening, Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin lamented the current state of the Republican Party and both wondered aloud whether the time is nigh to form a third party for disillusioned conservatives. “There’s no difference between the two parties, at this point,” Hannity asserted. At another point during the interview, Palin suggested the president’s actions on the debt ceiling have, thus far, been “impeachable” offenses. The two discussed whether it’s plausible to jump ship to a third party now that the GOP has seemingly “abandoned” both of them and their followers. Later on during the discussion, Hannity mentioned
It id going to take years, maybe decades, for a 3rd party to emerge as a serious possibility in America. The Party leadership on both sides along with the media will stop it. They will be excluded from debates and will get no national coverage. Unfortunately the big money in politics does not come from individual donors. IMHO the biggest contributor to corrupt government are career politicians who entrench themselves in the Washington game and completely forget about how they got there. Whatever happened to the idea of term limits?
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Bad Dog, 10/17/2013 8:25:44 AM (No. 9569047)
Seems to me we already ARE a third party.... the Republicans have made it clear THEY DON´T WANT US. We soil up the little nests they´ve made for themselves when we approach with our ideas and principles.
Ideas? Principles? Bah! We need NEGOTIATION. We need to REACH ACROSS THE AISLE. We need to BEND A LITTLE. (All the way over, kiss our ankles - thank you sir, may I have another!?)
We ALREADY ARE a third party - we´re just unformed, unnamed, and unofficial. A good ORGANIZER could get it done. (See, White House, 10/16/13.)
My jaw dropped and I broke into cheers when I head Sarah´s response not to rule out a third party. She is right up to the line. Can Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and others be far behind?
My only quibble with what was said on the show is that what is needed is not a new "third party", but a new party that would be a coalition of Libertarians, Constitutionalists, various Tea Parties, 9-12 groups, 10th Amendment groups, and other conservative groups. It´s time for those in our conservative movement to set our egos aside, come together, combine our agendas, refine the message, and build a party that would be substantial enough to challenge the Republican/Democrat "good cop"/"bad cop" juggernaut that is destroying the country. Recent polls showing generic conservatism among the general public should encourage us to "get it together".
Of course, Mediaite highlights the gratuitous POTUS question to mask the her more significant third party response. Sarah´s response to the POTUS option was spot on. Everyone should set egos aside and do what is necessary to save the country. Regardless of title, Sarah will remain an important voice and influence on who would be the best candidate for the WH. Many of the Founders, particularly Ben Franklin, never occupied the WH but still had enormous influence on the formation and direction of the country. Ben even got his picture on the C-note!
The left will always tell you what it fears the most. Why else would Mediaite be so interested? It is repeated over and over by voices of sanity: The left has no reason to "advise" the opposition on how to win elections! And yet they incessantly tell us what won´t work. "You will never win unless you become liberals".
Hannity is taking after his buddy Boortz with his third party fantasy. I quit listening to his delusions and sure hope Palin doesn´t buy into his losing plans. We already have third parties. Two of the biggest are the libertarian party and the independent party. How many representatives/senators of those parties are in congress? How many presidents have they elected? It would absolutely be faster and much cheaper to back conservative republicans for all levels of government than to try and reinvent the wheel. Hannity needs to study Levin´s Liberty Amendments.
Democrats with Dean at the DNC moved the party to the left in a few election cycles by focusing on the grassroots and putting added emphasis on recruiting candidates who could win. We need someone to shake up the RNC and follow a similar strategy.
Palin´s not running for anything. An electoral loss would hurt her brand.
To those who point to the Ross attempt, he imploded on himself. Our problem is another 4-letter word beginning with R. Somehow he came out little scathed from his implosion/temper tantrum on national TV! Yet, IMO, he did great damage to the RNC. Yet, he´s STILL considered some great political genious!! We have a bunch of self-centered idiots at the helm who keep crashing into icebergs!! When do we say STOP??? It´s going to be too late too soon!
Since 2000 more than a dozen U.S. Senate races were very narrowly won by Democrats when Libertarian Party voters took just enough votes from Republicans to tilt the elections to the Democrats. There might today be a Republican Party majority in the U.S. Senate if not for Libertarians´ quixotic desires to participate in government as libertarians. The Green Party functions similarly, splitting the Democrat vote, but the Greens aren´t nearly as numerous or as politically maladroit as the libertarians.
Knowing the above facts, if the libertarians could restrain their egos, they´d be influencing the Republican Party from the inside, which would be a mostly beneficial phenomenon. The economic philosophy of the Tea Party, for instance, is basically libertarian. Even many Democrats pay lip service to economic freedom as they illogically and steadily undermine it, mostly unaware of the contradiction. Libertarianism still retains its intelledctual cachet because experience shows that it always economically outperforms socialism. A major conservative/libertarian third party would doom the Republican Party to irrelevance for the forseeable future, with all the economic and social misery that connotes.
As I said on another thread today, the best strategy would be for the libertarians to fold the Libertarian Party and influence the GOP from the inside, and for the Tea Party to stage a hostile takeover of the Republican Party, and relegate the Rockefeller/McCain/Bush/Rove faction to the sidelines. Would the moderates Republicans then become Democrats? Most of them wouldn´t. Whatever their faults, they´re not leftists, and they can see the damage done to the nation by three generations of statism.
Those who favor a "third" party should take a look at the gubernatorial race here in Virginia where the Libertarian candidate is siphoning off critical support from AG Ken Cuccinelli, who is running behind Clintonoid slimeball Terry McAuliffe.
Poster #14 has it right and anything else is fanciful nonsense. The only realistic course is to hunker down for the long term and bring the Republican party around to the right.
The Democrats would probably happily fund any third party that Sarah Palin would start, as that would take away enough votes from the Republicans to ensure that the Democrats have no trouble winning future national elections. Remember Ross Perot and the damage that he did to George H. W. Bush´s re-election effort?
Palin is not going to run for a senate seat. She is an executive and besides, she would never win, no matter what state she ran in. Both party`s would come out in equal force against her. She and her family would be mercilessly trashed by the press an I don`t believe she wants to go through that again.
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