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Rattled Congress Seeks
Way Out of Its Standoff

New York Times, by Jonathan Weisman

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Posted By:toledo, 10/4/2013 8:16:11 AM

WASHINGTON — Republican efforts to resolve the fiscal standoff that has closed much of the federal government heated up Thursday, the third day of the shutdown, with new talks over a broad budget deal and an effort by more moderate House members to break the logjam. Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, chairman of the House Budget Committee, has initiated conversations with senior House Republicans on a broad deficit reduction deal that would allow some increases to federal programs squeezed by the automatic cuts known as sequestration in exchange for long-term changes to programs like Medicare and Social Security. The


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Pearson365, 10/4/2013 8:20:06 AM     (No. 9549624)

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Pearson365, 10/4/2013 8:30:46 AM     (No. 9549643)

This NYT piece extolling Paul D. RINO, Dem Lite, Wisconsin, is designed to undercut the principled stance of the majority of House Republicans. One has to hope that the conservatives are strong enough and numerous enough to withstand the charge of the RINOs.

As to reforming SS and Medicare, this is the action Dems are lusting for: the GOP will be accused of taking away your mother´s Social Security check and keeping her from seeing a doctor. GOP has to focus on ending ObamaCare and slashing EPA, Energy, Education, HHS and dozens of agencies that are a burden and not a benefit.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Joe Btfsplk, 10/4/2013 8:56:08 AM     (No. 9549679)

Obama is screaming "Fire!" in the theater when not even a whiff of smoke exists.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: M2, 10/4/2013 9:02:32 AM     (No. 9549691)


About 20 Republicans and Democrats signed on to a proposal that would reopen the government, finance it for six months and repeal the health care law’s tax on medical devices, a provision that has bipartisan opposition.

That tax is not in question. It´s the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE that is the sticking point, among others. The removal of the medical device tax will go thru.

Did I miss the whole point of this battle in the NYT article -- that it´s the individual mandate we´re fighting about?

Aides described those talks as “conversations about conversations,” not true negotiations, and they favored the term “down payment” on the deficit over “grand bargain.”

...and people wonder why Congress is held in such low regard? Is this all about linguistics or is it about tyranny?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: humboldt, 10/4/2013 9:02:38 AM     (No. 9549692)

This piece should be recognized for what it is; i.e.., disinformation in the service of the DNC designed to misinform the public and demoralize Republicans in Congress. The House needs to hang tough. If nothing else, the standoff is revealing Obama´s incredible pettiness and lack of concern about what is best for the U.S.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: athina, 10/4/2013 9:14:00 AM     (No. 9549717)

GOP, do not cave. Do Not Cave. DO NOT CAVE!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: OhMy, 10/4/2013 9:32:28 AM     (No. 9549752)

Mark Levin had this well analyzed yesterday. Obama doens´t care about the shutdown he is just softening up the GOP for the debt limit fight to get everything he wants there by the usual demagoguery about paying your bills to distract from his running up the debt and profligate spending. How dare the House ( with the power of the purse ) pick and choose what should be funded - Harry Reid will not "fall into the trap" of passing popular spending bills like the children´s cancer research and if he did Obama would veto anything that doesn´t give him all he wants. He is talking about an economic collapse being avoided by raising the debt ceiling - the opposite of the truth - as a way to push the blame on the republicans for the collapse he is causing and still pushing for. Since the republicans have been so pathetic in explaining these things they have already caved on the debt ceiling and Obama is guaranteed the ultimate victory on the shutdown and wide open spending for the foreseeable future!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: sadc, 10/4/2013 9:43:45 AM     (No. 9549767)

In any family or any business, if the leader comes with the news that cutbacks are needed because the money situation has changed, they might seem like the bad guy because they have to say the mean words..."no, we can´t do that" but it is the only way to survive. Someone has to say the "mean words" which the left knows how to say. Obama himself gave that stunning, no nonsense speech as a senator about taking out a credit card, from the bank of China, in our children´s names, and pointed out how that was unpatriotic and wrong. Somehow it is now OK? No, it is not OK AND he knows it. We have to stand for something, even as unpopular as it makes us, but COME ON leaders, at least try to explain. The Karl Rove, ignore the accusations strategy, does not work.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 10/4/2013 10:06:06 AM     (No. 9549811)

This whole thing could have been avoided had the Democrat led Senate done its job and passed a budget. But it is too much to ask a Dem to do their job.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Freeloader, 10/4/2013 10:08:55 AM     (No. 9549817)

Rattled? Seeking a way out? Looking for a solution? How about: (A) Arrest Dingy Harry and (B) Impeach and deport Barry Soetoro?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: owl, 10/4/2013 10:15:45 AM     (No. 9549839)

We saw it, why couldn´t the congressional GOP?. We saw how arrogant and self-serving he was, as well as how he disregarded and abused the law. The GOPhers gave him too much rope, which gave him an over abundance of confidence he could keep the wrecking ball in motion. He´s a Godzilla now, drawing more and more power from anything shot at him. Maybe not too late, but we have to confront and diminish him now. I appears reid may have exhausted his rhetoric, which will be helpful.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: jglas, 10/4/2013 10:17:06 AM     (No. 9549842)

The important thing here is not the politics but the principle. The constitution gives congress the power of the purse to balance the power of the three branches of government. They must guard that power and not allow the president to steal it away by shutting down the government. If they allow the president de-facto power of the purse, as in forcing them to pay for his Obamacare no strings attached, then we are more than halfway to a dictatorship.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: globalwarmer, 10/4/2013 10:32:15 AM     (No. 9549870)

I like the shutdown. Shows we can get along with huge cuts in spending, so naturally the libs hate it.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: RancherJack, 10/4/2013 10:35:14 AM     (No. 9549877)

Bla Bla Bla.

Throw the bums out. Ashcan the entire Obama administration.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Butch59, 10/4/2013 10:47:28 AM     (No. 9549907)

Sense the Dims have control of the WH, Senate, and most importantly, the MSM, the only outcome I can see is that in time the Republicans will eventually cave in and give Obozo all he wants. And the RINOS will be along with him and will contribute to the pressure put on true conservatives. This time, our "government" has truly degenerated into a tyranical force. All the dims want is to RULE, not govern.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Coy860, 10/4/2013 11:07:37 AM     (No. 9549941)

We have enough revenue coming in every month to service the debt, and pay medicare and social security. This scare tactic is a BIG LIE.
The gov´t may be shut down, but revenue is still coming in as usual.
Republicans, HOLD firm!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: nevernaught, 10/4/2013 11:13:12 AM     (No. 9549963)

The government took in more money last year and did they stand pat on spending and lower the amount of debt. No, of course they didn´t, they spent more money and raised the debt.

Obama´s new ploy today is to threaten senior people with not sending out their Social Security Checks. If he wants trouble of that sort, he´s asking for it.

Of course, my first solution is to stop supporting illegal criminals who run in the underground economy and don´t pay taxes. The government supports them with free medical services and pays to educate their kids in school. That is no way to balance a budget. Maybe Mexico´s budget, not ours.

Before he starts threatening Senior Citizens with financial ruin, he had better get those 50 to 60 million people off of the dole. You know the ones, they won´t work but produce kids on a production line so the government GIVES them more money.

I was born in the depression, froze my butt off in Korea, worked all my life to support myself and my family and what for. Certainly not to support people who live free and have no work ethic. We once called them bums. They still are. Congress had better gut this one out.. or they are out. I´m not seeing much difference between either anti American, self serving party. There, I´ve had my say.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: strike3, 10/4/2013 11:46:00 AM     (No. 9550028)

I´ve noticed that logjams only occur when these Washington people put their heads together.

I´m with you, #10. We need to stop arguing over the small stuff and simply cut off the heads of the snakes, Won Hussein Soetoro the Kenyan and his puppet master, Valjar the Iranian. I want to see a government run by Americans from now on or no government at all.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: lennon47, 10/4/2013 11:46:59 AM     (No. 9550031)

With a New York Times byline - skip it, do not read, it bull crap, liberal dibble

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Rmagnus, 10/4/2013 12:16:45 PM     (No. 9550083)

Iran gets Obama´s open hand and we get his clenched fist.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: peterfleming, 10/4/2013 12:36:26 PM     (No. 9550110)

Barry Soetero, the forgery impersonator, the Muslim Marxist with the gold ring that cries allu akbar, the small time tan organizer gone big time organizer. Only when committing chaos, is this agitator succeeding at his Soros puppeteers tasks.
He plays to a Lenin propagandist trained media and a drunken, crazily bribed Congress too confused with the lobbying loot heaped upon them to ever make a rational, sane decision. Rome is burning, and Barry Nero is laughing insanely, golfing (which replaced fiddling) while it all burns down. And all of our brilliant hard working individual and corporate Americans watch quietly from a distance, continuing to pay the lobbyists to bribe for abusive Congressional privilege.
Amongst all this sickness, only a Ted Cruz
elected, or a Mark Levin patriot can save us
,,, a single strong voice.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: gwmcclintok, 10/4/2013 12:46:46 PM     (No. 9550124)

The point is that Speaker John Boehner is thinking of putting together a vote with Democrats and 20 to 40 Republicans and ignore the Republican caucus. Pass a debt ceiling and a clean CR. Then of course Boehner will be toast....if he is that stupid and traitorous.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: KanCreeper, 10/4/2013 12:49:53 PM     (No. 9550127)

The response from Poster#1 is right up there with the Congressional poularity Rating- NOTHING!

While the Crapweasels in The Regime are wanting to make everyone, but themselves feel the pain...The Imperial Presidency punishes it subjects for no reason other than they can. So the Peasants do nothing, but grovel.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Udanja99, 10/4/2013 1:51:26 PM     (No. 9550200)

If they cave, the GOP is over. Done. Toast.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: strike3, 10/4/2013 2:16:07 PM     (No. 9550236)

This shutdown situation is similar to what happens when you try to drive a car by using only the accelerator. Eventually you run off the road and hit something at high speed. The results are never good.

After the big crash we will have the opportunity to build it better next time. We certainly couldn´t do worse.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: congaree53, 10/4/2013 2:38:10 PM     (No. 9550266)

Some Republicans are making all of the same mistakes that they made when they ignored all of the evidence suggesting that the GOP was likely to lose in 2012. Most of the time, the echo chamber hurts conservatives and Republicans by making them oblivious to inconvenient facts and ideas, but in this case it is leading them to believe in an alternate political reality with its own set of rules.
Bambi´s polls are all voer the place; 45 Fox (up 4), 41 Gallup, 46 Ras. Maybe 44 +- 2 covers the spread. BUT HE IS TYPICALLY MID 40´s- with an occassional bounce to 50. Meanwhile on Fox, Boehner is in sewer and Ted Cruz is upside down (except in echo chamber).
Boehner will cave to stop bleeding.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: badrad, 10/4/2013 2:52:15 PM     (No. 9550278)

If the GOp is ever to demonstrate they better do it now. Occupy the highways with car flags and signs that say hink to get rid of obamacare.

If the GOP fold this time they lose more than if they do not. The narrative is a lie so if they fold the folks--the dumb lo info folks will just trail after obMao and the dems like lambs without docked tails, wagging them behind them.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Penney, 10/4/2013 3:06:33 PM     (No. 9550300)

0bama´ political priorities finally are quite, ´´transparent,´´ as he selectively targets what is, ´´shut down,´´ and what is still funded, eh? mmm mmm mmm


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Reply 29 - Posted by: privateer, 10/4/2013 4:37:50 PM     (No. 9550420)

RE: 8´s citing of O´s speech against raising the debt (taking out a credit card from China payable by our children)....is there video of him saying that? If so, does he have exclusive rights to its use? If yes, and he doesn´t, that clip should be played literally hundreds of times in the run-up to the debt ceiling decision. Even if there is only a written transcript, blanket the airways. Show him for the hypocritical shyster he is.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: grampstosix, 10/4/2013 5:55:27 PM     (No. 9550526)

A demand to raise the debt ceiling so the gov´t. can pay bills is a canard. That would just permit more borrowing. There is enough money flowing into the treasury each day from taxes to take care of obligations and Obama knows it. Hang tough Boehner and company.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Rafter, 10/4/2013 6:51:06 PM     (No. 9550608)

Right now, NO-Bomber looks bad.
Let´s keep it that way.

He offended most of America by barring veterans from memorials.
NO-Bomber looks desperate, and out of depth.
He´s axing for trouble by poking everyone else in the eye with his federal closures.

GOP cannot give in to this monster.
Punishing him fires up the base.
And we really can ditch ObamaKommieKare.
So let´s do it.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: DCGIRL, 10/4/2013 7:01:20 PM     (No. 9550621)

The only one rattled is BOZO BOEHNER. Retire and put a real man in that position.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Tianne, 10/4/2013 7:30:50 PM     (No. 9550657)

The following quote contains the beginning and closing paragraphs of a speech, given by Senator Barack Obama, as it appears in the Congressional Record, March 16, 2006:

“Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America´s debt problem.

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America´s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government´s reckless fiscal policies.

“Increasing America´s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

“I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America´s debt limit. “

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Reply 34 - Posted by: dman, 10/4/2013 8:03:27 PM     (No. 9550687)

The RINOs are rattled because they cannot hide on this one. If they cave, they may as well switch party affiliation - the GOP will soon be history. There is no way out, so they may as well fight.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: artlover, 10/4/2013 9:19:40 PM     (No. 9550747)

I may as well say this again. We are doomed. This country is gone forever. There is nothing the Republicans or anyone else can or will do. This nation is no more. I admire Boehner for standing up for the good of this country, but there is no way he can win this. He will have a heart attack and gain nothing. Obama has a hold on this country and there is no getting around it.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: dr fate, 10/4/2013 11:23:15 PM     (No. 9550836)

So nice of you to show up and capitulate for us all, #35. We can never get enough of the white flag wavers who contribute so much to these threads. Now, if only the manic Cruz hater would post, we could all call it a night.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 10/5/2013 12:22:00 AM     (No. 9550879)

Lots of tough talk, we should arrest Obama, we should impeach him, we need to insist on this and that. Anyone who tries to point out that we don´t have the power is accused of waving the white flag. I am glad the Republicans made this effort. I hope the voters will notice how rotten Obama and his Democrats are behaving. They don´t seem to be grasping it.

As soon as Obama came into power he declared war on almost half of the country. He has been waging this war ever since. Democrat voters think he is on their side and don´t care that he is trying to destroy us and our party. Is he succeeding? Might makes right. They have heve might. They are using it.

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Eight Million ´Enrollments,´
Again Declares Debate ´Over´

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Townhall, by Guy Benson    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/17/2014 8:56:28 PM     Post Reply
President Obama addressed the White House press corps today, announcing that with the final numbers in, Obamacare´s exchanges have attracted eight million sign-ups -- 35 percent of whom are "under the age of 35," he said. Several elements of his comments were misleading: (1) At first blush, the 35 percent stat is both significant and impressive. As recently as last month, the share of "young invincibles" signing up for plans was struggling in the 25 percent range, far short of the actuarial target of nearly 40 percent. A leap into the mid-30´s, while still shy of the goal, would constitute a major step, and would bode well for the risk pools'

The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM     Post Reply
It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

White House blames fox for
destroying Michelle’s garden

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Daily Caller, by Vince Coglianese    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:59:04 PM     Post Reply
The White House is going to war with another fox — and this time, it’s personal. The Wall Street Journal reports that a red fox has been causing chaos around the White House, tripping security alarms, digging up Michelle’s garden and distracting the president from his duties. The Secret Service won’t give any details about how often the fox trips the White House’s obviously sophisticated security alarms, but rest assured, officials say, they’re watching. President Obama was apparently “stunned” to see the fox roaming freely down the oft-photographed White House colonnade, home to the world’s shortest, but most dramatic, outdoor strolls. The bushy-tailed visitor

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Living in the New York Times World
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American Thinker, by J. Paul Masko    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/19/2014 7:48:36 AM     Post Reply
I began reading the entirety of the first section of the New York Times at nine years old, and continued that practice, more or less, for decades.(snip) ...the power of reverence, intrinsic to what I call the “cascade” of The Times: the near avalanche-like flow and distribution of information through electronic and print networks: through like-minded network newscasts, magazines, local newspaper s, blogs, daytime talk TV, late-night entertainment, statements at media award ceremonies, the celebrity Twitterverse, etc. The cascade rolls through Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, The New Yorker, the mouths of third-grade teachers, Elmo, Madonna and Susan Sarandon …through

In a Hole, Golf Considers
Digging a Wider One

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New York Times, by Bill Pennington    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/19/2014 10:48:33 AM     Post Reply
GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

Obama: ´For me, Easter is a story of hope,
a belief in a better day to come´

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/19/2014 9:16:36 AM     Post Reply
Hi, everybody. For millions of Americans, this time of year holds great meaning. Earlier this week, we hosted a Passover Seder at the White House, and joined Jewish families around the world in their re-tellings of the story of the Exodus and the victory of faith over oppression. And this Sunday, Michelle, Malia, Sasha, and I will join our fellow Christians around the world in celebrating the Resurrection of Christ, the salvation he offered the world, and the hope that comes with the Easter season. These holy days have their roots in miracles that took place long ago. And yet, they still inspire us, guide us, and strengthen us today. They remind us of our

Harry Reid calls dissident Nevada ranchers
´domestic terrorists´ following show of
force against the federal government

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 4/19/2014 9:29:17 AM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:09:17 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

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