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Neville Chamberlain Was Right
Slate, by Nick Baumann

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Posted By:StormCnter, 9/29/2013 7:12:38 AM

Seventy-five years ago, on Sept. 30, 1938, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich Pact, handing portions of Czechoslovakia to Adolf Hitler´s Germany. Chamberlain returned to Britain to popular acclaim, declaring that he had secured "peace for our time." Today the prime minister is generally portrayed as a foolish man who was wrong to try to "appease" Hitler—a cautionary tale for any leader silly enough to prefer negotiation to confrontation. But among historians, that view changed in the late 1950s, when the British government began making Chamberlain-era records available to researchers. "The result of this was the discovery of all

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Reply 1 - Posted by: TarAndFeathers, 9/29/2013 7:18:31 AM     (No. 9541846)

Tell that to the Czechs, you silly little man!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: sternben, 9/29/2013 7:20:08 AM     (No. 9541847)

On further reflection, the Rosenbergs were innocent and Alger Hiss was railroaded.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: M2, 9/29/2013 7:25:21 AM     (No. 9541851)

The Bible is replete with war stories about how those armies who were impossibly outnumbered by their evil enemies won nonetheless. If one´s entire worldview is based upon what is feasible and practical rather than what is right and honorable, of course Chamberlain was "right". And Cruz is wrong.

Would the writer be so magnanimous with Joe McCarthy, who was also right?

So spare us the "he had no choice" mantra. We all have choices.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: BarryNo, 9/29/2013 7:40:14 AM     (No. 9541861)

Poster 2 - the Left, in fact asserts exactly what you stated sarcastically. In fact some consider the Rosenbergs, heroes.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: silencedogood, 9/29/2013 7:43:20 AM     (No. 9541865)

Chamberlain was not right. Sir Winston Spencer Churchill was right.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: johngalt1, 9/29/2013 7:49:41 AM     (No. 9541876)

As an attempt to justify Obama’s approach to Iran, or any other foe of America, this article fails in every measure.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bubby, 9/29/2013 8:03:21 AM     (No. 9541893)

The left continues unabated in rewriting history. Neville Chamberlain was good man in a difficult position while our founding Fathers were a bunch of racist slave owners. Neville Chamberlain took the easy way out with appeasement like we are doing today with Iran. It never turns out well when evil is ignored.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Pearson365, 9/29/2013 8:10:32 AM     (No. 9541896)

Chamberlain was little different than FDR, who also allowed the US military to fall to embarrassing levels in the 1930s while intentionally ignoring the threat of a rearming Germany and Japan. This Slate article could easily be about Roosevelt´s failure to ensure that Germany honored its post WW1 treaty not to rearm. Unfortunately, the political & military weaknesses of Britain, France and the US gave Hitler the confidence thar he would build a military dynamo without fear of repercussions.

Unfortunately, socialist leaning historians smitten by FDR ignore his enormous failures. FDR extended the Depression, he didn´t end it. FDR also promised , in 1940, to keep us out of the war in Europe when he ran for a 3rd term. Instead, he spent much of 1940 plotting to get is involved in the war without getting our military and the public ready for the conflict.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Coy860, 9/29/2013 8:11:42 AM     (No. 9541898)

The far left radical loons are at it again.
Here is a prime example of an extremist.
If you are sending off your kids to college, it would be good to make sure they are well grounded in history. This is the type of garbage they are fed and pay royally for the privilege of being "educated".

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Reply 10 - Posted by: rsgonner, 9/29/2013 8:14:56 AM     (No. 9541900)

Claptrap revisionist history to make the Fool in the White House somehow look like a leader.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 9/29/2013 8:23:15 AM     (No. 9541904)

I was in high school when this happened. From the point of view of a serious, politically aware kid, this is what I thought.

A war will pit England, Wales and Scotland against Germany. Germany has a non aggression pact with Russia. Russia is a potential ally. The Brits´ WWI ally, France, was the attlefield for the four year waar and fought very hard. France could not recoup in the 20 years since and would be little help. I felt that sooner or later the US would be drawn into it. I did not think we and the Brits could beat Germany and Russia. When Hitler turned on Russia I was ecstatic.

It´s all so easy to look back but I was looking into the future. I did not like the Czech deal but I understand buying time.

Isn´t that what we are doing now? Waiting for Obama to leave the scene so we can strike our enemies?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: mikeyt64, 9/29/2013 8:25:29 AM     (No. 9541907)

So running around like a fool on a leash held by Hitler was all he could do, huh? How about scream fire and let the world know, this Hitler guy is crazy and he plans on killing off 1/2 of Europe. In rewriting history, maybe that position could be examined too. By doing nothing, he allowed a madman to continue to feel that world laws mean nothing and he can continue his death march...which he did. And we all know what happened next.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: richwill, 9/29/2013 8:35:36 AM     (No. 9541915)

History has proven that Chamberlain was wrong to the core. Apparently the writer has never read Mein Kamf, Hitlers book about what he planned to do if he came to power. Another idiot liberal.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: BruisedOrange, 9/29/2013 8:44:29 AM     (No. 9541922)

Bauman´s arguments hold together... until we consider Chamberlain´s famous statement on newsreel to the public from outside 10 Downing Street. If Chamberlain knew he was preparing Britain for war, he would have claimed "peace for a time, but only that." Is this the statement of a leader seeking only enough delay to PREPARE his nation for war?

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."

Chamberlain´s quote was especially misleading when you consider the first PM he refers to was Disraeli, whose signing of the Berlin Treaty of 1878 "delayed" war in Europe for 36 years.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Freeloader, 9/29/2013 8:52:23 AM     (No. 9541931)

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
-Sir Winston Churchill

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Rotstan, 9/29/2013 9:08:28 AM     (No. 9541948)

Ok everyone, sing along!
http://ia600502.us.archive.org/17/items/WWII_News_1938/1938-xx-xx_God_Bless_You_Mr._Chamberlain.mp3


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Reply 17 - Posted by: Bill the Cat, 9/29/2013 9:12:53 AM     (No. 9541950)

Yes, it´s true that the UK was not prepared for war, but then again, neither were the Nazis. In fact, almost every war in the history of mankind began with at least one side not being prepared. And that didn´t mean war was averted.

Therefore, Nick, you are an idiot. Please make sure you don´t procreate.



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Reply 18 - Posted by: coyote, 9/29/2013 9:24:37 AM     (No. 9541967)

A foolish article.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: horacer, 9/29/2013 9:33:17 AM     (No. 9541983)

What the author is unknowingly advocating is peace through strength. Chamberlin went into negotiations with a sense of weakness and Hitler took advantage. Diplomacy only works when your enemy knows you can kick his behind in.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Gretchen, 9/29/2013 10:10:46 AM     (No. 9542026)

The author: "Nick Baumann is a senior editor in the Washington, D.C., bureau of Mother Jones."

That is all.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 9/29/2013 10:15:46 AM     (No. 9542032)

The writer takes Chamberlain on a much too narrow front. Yes, he did do all he could with what he felt he had at the time. But, the post WWI Brits forgot that the price of liberty is strength. A strong, assertive Britain and France = no rise of Hitler and probably no WWII! There will always be a mad man on the rise somewhere in the world who will be trying to enslave "The World" or major portions there of. If you allow you country to naively sink into false security of isolationism and start prolonging that isolation by appeasing the monsters of this human world, you are leading your citizens straight into the hell these tyrants want to impose on them.

As the much greater PM said, "There are worse things than war, Madam- Slavery is worse than war!"


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Reply 22 - Posted by: velox, 9/29/2013 12:00:10 PM     (No. 9542143)

Buying time and appeasement are two different animals.
Neville was a Jimmie Carter/Obama wimp that thought/think they can communicate with evil men and come to a reasonable understanding.
None of them had any "street smarts".
This article was written to make Obama look like he knows what he is doing.


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Reply 23 - Posted by: BamaTex, 9/29/2013 12:16:35 PM     (No. 9542169)

Revisionist claptrap from a commie-sissy. Chamberain is rightly ridiculed because he gave Hitler time, confidence and prestige. Had Chamberlain said "hell no" there might not have been a WWII. Take heed you sappy-headed lefty Obama-lovers--you are blindly supporting the same kind of fool making the same stupid mistakes--this time with Iran. The result will be the same, with one exception this time there will be many more mushroom clouds. The blame and the blood will be on your heads--but by then you will lie and say "I never supported Obama"--but we will remember you.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: bighambone, 9/29/2013 4:38:19 PM     (No. 9542431)

Czechoslovakia was a sideshow as soon as the Nazis invaded Poland. That´s when the big balloon ready went up. Then on 9/1/39 the British government finally swung into action. As usual the British Army was brave but was severely undermanned as they always have been throughout history and lacked a lot of modern equipment. After most of the old obsolete equipment got left behind as the British Army carried out a fighting retreat through Dunkirk, the British Government was forced to facilitate the modernization of the British Army. At the same time new warrior politicians and soldiers assumed the top positions in Government and the armed forces. The rest of this story is well known history.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: rmsimms, 9/29/2013 5:29:14 PM     (No. 9542460)

When Chamberlain threw the Czechs under the bus...he made a gift to Hitler of the equipment of thirty-five modern Divisions and one of Europe´s largest and most modern industrial bases. Both of which were immediately put to the service of the Wehrmacht and SS by their new owners. The guns and Tanks he bullied the Czechs into not using to defend the Sudetenland were used by the Germans two years later to conquer France and drive the BEF into the sea.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: SaguaroJack, 9/29/2013 7:50:39 PM     (No. 9542546)

What rubbish. It takes no courage, political or otherwise, to talk your way around hard facts. Nor does it need courage to pretend to have achieved something you did not. These are the tactics of people who don´t measure up to their tasks.

Chamberlain and his Cabinet took the easy path, not the moral or gutsy path. He talked tough to his home audience ("Hitler missed the bus") after striking a very different note with Hitler. Churchill had to step up and do the courageous work that Chamberlain wasn´t man-enough to do.

Chamberlain´s legacy as a mealy-mouth is fitting. He should have sounded the alarm; instead he played Cabinet-level games. John Kerry would have understood Chamberlain perfectly.



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Reply 27 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 9/29/2013 8:02:21 PM     (No. 9542559)

There´s a world of difference between appeasing an enemy and aiding an enemy.
Chamberlain appeased, and was wrong in that approach, as history clearly shows.
Obama, on the other hand, is aiding our enemies. Will historians ignore this?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: poliskeptic, 9/29/2013 8:30:46 PM     (No. 9542588)

What a convenient timing for this article to be published. Dream world then, dream world today. Good luck USA and good luck world. History writing can be tweaked but history cannot.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 9/29/2013 8:48:41 PM     (No. 9542595)

When you consider that 40-50 million people ended up dead, how could anyone in their right mind say Chamberlain made the right decisions?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 9/30/2013 4:37:26 PM     (No. 9543649)

The left has become so predictably silly that you can´t even parody it becuase it´s already a farce. I´ve had them insist that the don´t defend Stalin and other totalitarian communists, either, but when you start enumerating all the horrible things that Stalin and the communists did in the 20th Century, they reflexively jump to the defense. It´s what they are and how they think.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: KTWO, 9/30/2013 5:08:08 PM     (No. 9543707)

First sentence of #21 gets it right. NC faced constraints and did what he felt was right for the moment.

With hindsight we feel he made a great mistake at Munich. His was not the first or the last in dealing with Herr Hitler.

Read Churchill and his collegues about NC and the problema at Munich. Baumann has a 2013 agenda.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: The Advocate, 9/30/2013 5:17:29 PM     (No. 9543717)

FDR and his academic progressives prolonged the depression and snuggled up to Joe Stalin who was busy starving 20 million Ukranians so he could sell their grain to fund his industrialization of USSR.
At the same time, Stalin was murdering 70percent of the Soviet Officers who had actually won the Revolution and knew Stalin knew Nothing about military strategy.
Stalin left Russia vulnerable to the Nazi invasion killing 20 more Russians.
It was only when General Zhukov was taken out of the Gulag to lead his troops that the Russians were able to save Moscow.
The NYT William Duranty was busy spewing lies as Stalins propagandist and the NYt still refuses to return this bloody prize.
FDR was Wrong and so was Neville Chamberlain.
Obama is the natural progression of traitors in the Dem Party.
Defund and repeal Obamatax-and impeach the traitor.

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after

Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:09:17 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

White House asks American parents to
monitor their children for signs of terrorism

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Daily Caller, by Eric Owens    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/19/2014 5:50:04 PM     Post Reply
In a speech earlier this week, Lisa O. Monaco, President Barack Obama’s assistant for homeland security and counterterrorism, insisted that American parents must be vigilant because their “confrontational” children could be on the verge of becoming terrorists. Monaco’s full, prepared text is available here. She presented the speech, entitled “Countering Violent Extremism and the Power of Community,” at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government on April 15. Monaco began her remarks by eloquently describing the lives tragically lost last year during the Boston Marathon bombings. Interestingly, the Harvard grad failed to mention the religion or the motive of brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan

Ann Coulter takes up ‘Mitt
Romney for President’ chant again

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 7:03:28 PM     Post Reply
Conservative columnist Ann Coulter — who used her talk show platform in the last presidential election cycle to campaign hard for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney — has taken up the mantra once again, calling on Republicans to give the failed White House bidder another shot in 2016. She made the suggestion during a discussion on Sean Hannity’s radio show while speaking of her new book, “Never Trust a Liberal Over 3-Especially a Republican.” Ms. Coulter also addressed the question of Mr. Romney’s shortcomings by saying that his 2012 loss wasn’t entirely his fault. “I think too much blame, not only in this

You lie! Reporters accuse Obama
of deception, demagoguery just
to get attention

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
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Prominent Washington correspondents are accusing President Obama and his aides of knowingly stretching the truth on issues like the so-called women´s pay gap just to create controversy and keep issues -- and the president -- relevant. Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus kicked off the attack last week when she blasted as “demagoguery” the administration´s tactics during the pay gap debate. “The level of hyperbole -- actually, of demagoguery -- that Democrats have engaged in here is revolting,” she wrote. CBS White House Correspondent Major Garrett then weighed in this week in his National Journal

Clintons celebrate Chelsea’s
pregnancy announcement

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New York Post, by Stephanie Smith    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:32:52 AM     Post Reply
The Clintons had a busy night of celebrations after Chelsea announced she and husband Marc Mezvinsky are expecting a baby. Bill joined “House of Cards” star Kevin Spacey at the Revlon Rainforest Fund Benefit Concert at Carnegie Hall Thursday, joking of Spacey’s Machiavellian character, “When I was president people accused me of murder all the time, made a show of investigating. Spacey’s president for 15 minutes and he gets away with murder.” Spacey, who sang during the event with Sting, Stephen Stills and James Taylor, also showed off his Johnny Carson impression, taking a swipe at the coverage of Flight

Harry Reid Doubles Down on Bundy
Ranch: ´If They´re Patriots, We´re
in Big Trouble´

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Breitbart Big Government, by Kerry Picket    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 9:39:40 PM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Friday stood by his statement regarding embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, saying on KSNV’s What’s Your Point?, “If anyone thinks by any figment of their imagination that what happened up there last week was just people rallying to somebody that was oppressed, 600 people came in armed. They had practiced. They had maneuvered.” Reid continued, “They knew what they were doing. They set up snipers in strategic locations with sniper rifles. They had assault weapons. They had automatic weapons. And they boasted about the fact that they put women and children, in fact one


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