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Exclusive: Rand Paul wants
Chief Justice Roberts, all federal
workers, to enroll in Obamacare

Daily Caller, by Alex Pappas

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Posted By:mitzi, 9/23/2013 8:38:31 AM

Arguing federal workers should not get special treatment, Rand Paul says he does not want taxpayers subsidizing the personal health care plans of any federal employee — including Chief Justice John Roberts — anymore. With some in Congress arguing lawmakers and their staff should not get subsidies to cover their health insurance as President Obama’s health care law goes into effect, the Republican senator from Kentucky told The Daily Caller on Sunday that he’s going to start pushing a constitutional amendment that goes even further. Paul’s proposal — outlawing any special exemptions for government employees — would mean all federal

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Good move ... and long overdue.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Steele81, 9/23/2013 8:46:59 AM     (No. 9532784)

What about All exemptions for anybody and everybody?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: MattMusson, 9/23/2013 9:00:42 AM     (No. 9532797)

Congress is now exempted from all Sexual harassment laws and almost all labor laws.

No way they would ever accept living under their own edicts!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Reddoggie, 9/23/2013 9:01:58 AM     (No. 9532799)

Gotta love Ron Paul. I am with him on this and grateful he is raising this point. Don´t know how likely this is to happen but its another way of shining light on Obama´s legacy ´transformational´ as it will destroy the very fabric of the country.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: TexasRose, 9/23/2013 9:02:58 AM     (No. 9532800)

The "weird trick", as Clarice Feldmen says, is, if you eliminate all exemptions, suddenly the democrats will acknowledge that it´s a horrible law. If they have to be under this law, they don´t want this law. They will be stripped of their royalty status!!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Objectivity, 9/23/2013 9:06:16 AM     (No. 9532805)

Amen, Sen. Paul.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 9/23/2013 9:10:34 AM     (No. 9532816)

The RNC will be sending out opposition research on Rand by lunchtime.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: god of irony, 9/23/2013 9:13:48 AM     (No. 9532819)

A side affect will be that govt employees with military service will move to Tricare which will further cripple an already poorly run govt insurance plan.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 9/23/2013 9:17:30 AM     (No. 9532823)

Great idea. Ideally each congressional office would be its own little enterprise.
Give them a flat fee and make them pay all expenses out of it - their health care, staffers salaries, travel, mail costs, even Post It notes. Then apply strict labor laws, the threat of IRS audits, etc... Sit back and watch how quickly they collapse under the laws they force onto everyone else.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: starbaby, 9/23/2013 9:26:08 AM     (No. 9532836)

If Obamacare is allowed to stand, with all the exemptions and federal subsidies, we the people should file the mother-of-all class action lawsuits. Time to take matters into our own hands.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 9/23/2013 9:33:44 AM     (No. 9532850)

Liberals, faced with this type of obvious argument, will call it a cheap and cruel trick.

The silver-tongued devils on the right are trying to play that tired, old ´logic card´ again. Don´t buy into it. Trust your emotions.
Free stuff.....get yer free stuff.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: ccyr, 9/23/2013 9:40:10 AM     (No. 9532856)

Why doesn´t some conservative legal group file a lawsuit on the grounds of Equal Protection. We shouldn´t have different classes of citizens written into the law.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Watlines, 9/23/2013 9:40:27 AM     (No. 9532857)

Darn right .. and no subsidies for these grifters.

What do most federal bureaucrats create besides paper, regulations,and laws?

The short-order cook at your local diner placing ham and eggs on the counter produces and contributes more to society each day than these folks do.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: kanphil, 9/23/2013 9:43:01 AM     (No. 9532860)

Amen and Amen!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: pete moss, 9/23/2013 9:44:09 AM     (No. 9532862)

This is the best idea I´ve heard in a long, long time. If Obamacare is good enough for us peons, it´s good enough for John Roberts, Barack Hussein Obama and every other member of the Supreme Court and Congress who voted for it. Who do these people think they are .......... royalty or something? Obviously they do!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: uno_thatguy, 9/23/2013 9:45:18 AM     (No. 9532864)

I say yes!

Each should be forced to sit through a guided three hour session with a "navigator." Under threat of perjury they should be required to answer all questions about their health, finances, traffic tickets, drug use and personal relationships.

IOW: Like the rest of US!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: M2, 9/23/2013 9:45:31 AM     (No. 9532865)

NO exemptions should exist. If this program is so good, why is everyone treating it like punishment and trying to opt out of it?

Paul’s proposal — outlawing any special exemptions for government employees — would mean all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies.

One would think it´s a no-brainer.
One would think that because so many people want an exemption, that they know something the proponents of O´Care don´t know.
One would think that because Obama exempted his buddies and cronies and Congressional aides from O´Care, that the plan may actually be harmful.
One would think that if O´Care is so wonderful for America, people would be clamoring to find out how to get it instead of running for the nearest exist.

But one would be wrong. Why is it that despite 80% of Americans (roughly) hating this plan, Obama and the Democrats still want it?

Is this plan really about our health care or is it about controlling every facet of our lives, using the threat of holding back proper treatment as blackmail for votes?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 9/23/2013 9:49:18 AM     (No. 9532872)

No exemptions period!

After all....it´s the law of the land,right?

The law of ALL THE LAND!

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Reply 18 - Posted by: bighambone, 9/23/2013 9:49:53 AM     (No. 9532874)

Eligibility for enrollment in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program is a portion of the current compensation package paid to federal employees and federal retirees. Essentially the government pays a portion of the cost of the premiums and the employees must pay the remainder.

In addition that plan is considered to be an insurance exchange because the federal employees and the retirees can pick from among a large number of plans at differing costs. Essentially it looks like what Paul is calling for is the elimination of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, and that the compensation that the government pays to federal employees and retirees be reduced by the amounts that the government pays into the plan for each of those employees, with the employees then going out and purchasing their future health insurance through an Obamacare exchange at whatever it costs them out of pocket for individual health insurance. That would amount to a big reduction in pay for those millions of federal employees and retirees.

Something tells me that will never fly.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: chance_232, 9/23/2013 9:51:19 AM     (No. 9532878)

Re#11....... Equal Protrection??? Now that´s a hoot! Every law exempts someone. And I have finally learned that even Justice is reserved for the well connected or those that can afford it.

The IRS code is chalk full of exemptions and credits for the chosen. Employeers with fewer than 50 employees are exempt from most labor laws. We are governed by the "ruling class". Sure, you can get into that class, but you wont go far unless yur in bed with the boys and girls at the top. And I have news for ya´ll, its every bit as bad at the local and state levels. The truth is that its always been that way, its just getting worse.

Back in the days when "HONOR" meant something, it wasnt so bad. Its not enough to restore liberty and personal responsiblity. We MUST restore HONOR.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 9/23/2013 9:51:26 AM     (No. 9532879)

Whereas Obamacare was supposed to help those without adequate health care insurance obtain it, the law is having the opposite effect, which is damaging the health care benefits of those that already have insurance, and of course hurting medical providers in many sectors, especially hospitals, because of the inadequate reimbursement for treatment. As a retired Federal employee already paying for Medicare, and also paying for Health Care via the Federal system, I already pay in excess of $10K annually for our Health Care coverage. I do not wish to change my coverage, but expect that $10K+ will go a long way toward good insurance under any program I may be mandated to use. The problem is that the Providers may no longer be available under the new law, as they cannot make ends meet. The politics of the whole matter is extremely short sighted and does not begin to take all the unexpected side effects into account.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: smcchk, 9/23/2013 9:53:57 AM     (No. 9532884)

Dr. Paul has the fight in him to lead us in ´16.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 9/23/2013 9:57:37 AM     (No. 9532891)

Paul is acting crazy, just like his father. An amendment takes years to get passed, if ever. This will not fly. It would be better to try and get a law passed, that way those in Congress opposed can explain why they think it is a bad idea.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Westie64, 9/23/2013 9:59:48 AM     (No. 9532895)

Sen. Paul is one of the few in Washington who still promotes common sense. Most of the politicians there are highly deluded.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: lasvegaslou, 9/23/2013 9:59:53 AM     (No. 9532896)

You folks had better stop your complaining or our betters (praises be to them) will phase in the "Hunger Games" edict a few years early. You peasants just don´t know when you are well off.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: shalimar, 9/23/2013 10:02:31 AM     (No. 9532903)

Oh please. This is the kind of move you talk about when you have something that is ready for prime time. Obamacare is anything but that. Therefore, the GOP should be trying to save as many people as possible from being forced out of what they have (which most are happy with) and into something that we all know to be a train wreck.

Yes, I´m covered under the Federal Employee Health Benefits Plan as the wife of a retired federal employee. I know that this move would wreak havoc with our retirement situation ... all so Rand Paul, who I have long admired, could feel he was punishing certain individuals such as Justice Roberts. He doesn´t seem to realize that Justice Roberts is a man of means who most likely can buy whatever healthcare he needs with his own funds.

Wrong move, IMO. He should wait until the bugs are out of Obamacare before forcing another 8 million people into it.



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Reply 26 - Posted by: LouD, 9/23/2013 10:13:55 AM     (No. 9532916)

But meanwhile, #25, those of us who stand to lose our present insurance and be forced into something we can´t afford or don´t want should willingly give up what we have for your benefit? No, if we must sink, I´d rather the rest of you go down with us.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 9/23/2013 10:22:44 AM     (No. 9532932)

As a member of the protected class #25 perhaps you are not aware that many of the great unwashed are already being forced into and out of coverage by this law. My premiums went up 75% within a month of the bill being signed. Then my plan was deemed not acceptable under the ridiculously named Affordable Care Act. I agree with #26, we are all equal, and if I have to suffer so should you and everyone else. And another point, regardless of ones means, if things continue the way they are going there will be nowhere to purchase any coverage.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: TarAndFeathers, 9/23/2013 10:23:15 AM     (No. 9532935)

Experience in the unlamented Soviet Union showed that the nomenklatura would never surrender its perquisites - dachas in the countryside, shopping privileges at beryozka stores, opportunities for unlimited graft - until the system that enabled them was disabled. So it is with America´s ruling class, without party distinction.
In this case, "disablement" means the restoration of constitutional governance.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: MirJoy, 9/23/2013 10:23:38 AM     (No. 9532936)

Is there any newspaper that would write an editorial - well just list, that´s enough, of all those who are allowed to be exempted from ObamaCare?

There´s no logic in the policies of our government. If guns are bad, why do we ship them to other countries? If Obama wants to help the middle class, why are his regulations destroying job opportunities for the middle class? If ObamaCare is so great, why doesn´t the President want to be part of it?

I think the Senator´s idea is perfectly logical and makes perfect sense to me.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Bohallx, 9/23/2013 10:35:02 AM     (No. 9532949)

#18 ~ going a bit further, the Constitution prohibits varying the compensation of federal judges, which is why you have Rand Paul doing this ´constitutional amendment´ trick.

He probably just now found out that the 27th amendment worked to cut his FEHB subsidy off at the knees way back right after the 2010 election.

That bad boy now owes the US Gub´mnt at least $75,000 in compensation obtained under false pretenses in the form of an FEHB subsidy in part of 2010, all of 2011, all of 2012, and all of 2013!

Once ObamaKKKare was passed, by the day after the next election, Congressional compensation was REVISED DRAMATICALLY. They had to go to an ´exchange´ ~ a ´state exchange´ ~ whether it existed at the time or not! And whether it existed or not, it didn´t provide the FEHB ´subsidy´ ~ actual ´fringe benefit portion of the compensation package´.

Rand wants to take everybody down with him. Better he submit a Constitutional amendment to require term limits with NO variation in compensation through the term of office. That´d be a good compromise, or, he and the boys could call in John Roberts and talk to him ´bout ruling this whole smelly pile of dung UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

There´s really no way out of making that $75,000 overpayment of Congressional compensation good otherwise!

Now, about USPS employees and retirees (30% of the affected people), they negotiated the deal in good faith. There´s a 5th amendment ´taking´ here so Rand´s amendment will have to deal with the 5th, and maybe the 4th. Not sayin´ Rand is just another ignant Kay-wackian hillbilly, but I doubt he can get it written!



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Reply 31 - Posted by: Bohallx, 9/23/2013 10:40:14 AM     (No. 9532961)

#12 - "What do most federal bureaucrats create besides paper, regulations,and laws?"

You didn´t really ask that question did you.

Just last week the US Gub´mnt murdered a ship designer (weapon´s system platform) who lived near me.

Obama hissef´ turned loose a crazy man with a gub´mnt owned pistol to kill him at the Navy Yard.

Three other people who live not far away from me who worked there in similar work were also murdered in the same way.

So, what was it they produced?

Your safety!

Probably has nothing to do with the topic here, but you did ask the question. There it is.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: coldoc, 9/23/2013 10:41:58 AM     (No. 9532964)

No "tax" relief for justice roberts.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: lil dotty, 9/23/2013 10:55:38 AM     (No. 9532994)

Sen Paul. Way to go. When this monstrosity had worked its way up to the high court the important question was ´What type of health care coverage is given to our SC justices? No where could an answer be found. In this instance, totally stand behind you 110 percent


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Reply 34 - Posted by: fritzilou, 9/23/2013 12:02:50 PM     (No. 9533076)

No exemptions; no Obamacare......

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Reply 35 - Posted by: mickturn, 9/23/2013 12:37:24 PM     (No. 9533146)

Equal Protection implies Equal Application does it not? So why are some people just special?

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Reply 36 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 9/24/2013 12:24:31 AM     (No. 9534029)

We fought long and hard for equality in this country, only to find out some of US are not equal.

If it´s good enough for the taxpayers funding it, it´s good enough for everybody including the first grifters and their kids.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: bighambone, 9/24/2013 12:26:06 AM     (No. 9534033)

If Rand Paul really is after true equality he would be proposing that all employer provided health care insurance, both public and private sector, be declared illegal and that the entire population of the USA must purchase their health care insurance through the Obamacare State Exchanges.

Before doing that Paul should figure out the increased cost to the US Government in carrying that out, along with the obvious fact that the next step would be a true government run national health insurance situation that he definitely would not like.

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As he moves from lobbyists to the golf course, from press conferences to the tanning bed, he remains oblivious to all that is around him. He has power, incredible power, and yet to this day he has no understanding of the election that made it so. Moreover, all around him are astonishing opportunities for him to be an historic figure -- one who could and should be the man who did more than any other single person in turning back the red tide of Obama. It’s all there for Speaker of the House, and yet John Boehner manages to miss

Michelle Obama:
´splurging is the key to life´

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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/21/2014 9:31:25 PM     Post Reply
Washington - Michelle Obama said "splurging is the key to life" if you regularly eat right and stay active. Her biggest guilty pleasure: French fries. "How would you appreciate vegetables if you never had chocolate?" she asked. "You couldn´t live without a little chocolate, a little French fries." The first lady took questions from children reporters Monday after appearing at the White House Easter Egg Roll. She told the children that if they eat right the majority of the time, then a splurge or snack is not going to hurt them. "I still splurge when I can, but that's why I try to exercise almost every day," she said.

Would YOU be underwater if the
polar caps melted? Map reveals
what our planet would look like
if sea levels rose by 260ft

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Daily Mail (UK), by Ellie Zolfagharifard    Original Article
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Global sea levels have risen by 8 inches (20cm) since 1880 and scientists predict they could rise up to 3ft (98cm) by 2100. But despite the UN’s recent threats of war, famine and extreme weather, such a dramatically different world caused by sea level rise can be hard to imagine. To help picture the future, Martin Vargic, an amateur graphic designer from Slovakia, has created a map depicting the planet with sea levels around 260ft (79m) higher than they are today. He imagines what Earth would look like if the ice sheets surrounding the North and South poles melted, releasing

You´re on the clock:
Doctors rush patients out the door

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USA Today*, by Roni Caryn Rabin    Original Article
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Joan Eisenstodt didn´t have a stopwatch when she went to see an ear, nose and throat specialist recently, but she is certain the physician was not in the exam room with her for more than three or four minutes. "He looked up my nose, said it was inflamed, told me to see the nurse for a prescription and was gone," said the 66-year-old Washington, D.C., consultant, who was suffering from an acute sinus infection. When she started protesting the doctor´s choice of medication, "He just cut me off totally," she said. "I´ve never been in and out from a visit faster." These days,

The Increasing Desperation of Democrats
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National Review Online, by John Fund    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/21/2014 5:19:02 AM     Post Reply
Harry Reid isn’t backing down from his claim that rancher Cliven Bundy’s supporters are “domestic terrorists.” It’s astonishing rhetoric given the White House’s characterization of the mass shooting by a genuine terrorist, Major Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 Americans at the Fort Hood Army base after yelling “Allahu Akbar!” (God is great.) Rather than labeling Hasan’s actions “domestic terrorism,” the Obama administration is prosecuting him for having committed “workplace violence.” Democratic rhetoric is become ever more desperate and overheated as we approach the November midterm elections. Last week, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said that GOP positions on immigration were motivated by

A rancher´s armed battle against the US
government is standard libertarian fare

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Guardian [UK], by Kieran Suckling    Original Article
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Perhaps the most remarkable feature of American democracy is the magnificent estate of public land that it reserved from the very beginning for the use of all citizens, rich or poor. There is nothing like it in the democracies of Europe, which came into being with nations already carved up into private fiefdoms. The Great Idea that hundreds of millions of acres of forests, deserts, rivers and prairies should be owned by, and managed for, the public interest has had a profound and lasting influence on American culture. But not everyone has accepted it. Cliven Bundy’s armed standoff with the National Park

A Marine´s story: Women set up
to fail USMC’s most grueling test

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ABC News, by Martha Raddatz*    Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog- 4/21/2014 11:13:10 AM     Post Reply
At a petite 5’3’’, Sage Santangelo may not look like a combat fighter at first glance. But the female second lieutenant has never let that hold her back from pursuing her dream of becoming an infantry officer in the Marine Corps. Growing up, Santangelo found she was always able to keep up with the guys and enjoyed playing hockey on all boys’ teams. But when she joined the Marines, Santangelo found the playing field changed; she was segregated into female-only training units and as a woman, was relegated to less strenuous physical training than her male counterparts. And that’s why,

Wasserman-Schultz: Midterm Election
´Absolutely Not´ A Referendum on Obama

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Cybercast News Service, by Susan Jones    Original Article
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"No, absolutely not," the November midterm election is not a referendum on President Obama and his policies, Democrat Party Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) told NBC´s "Meet the Press" on Sunday. "[T]hese elections, particularly the Senate elections, are referendums on the candidates running," she said. Asked about vulnerable Democrats who have criticized President Obama´s flawed healthcare law, Wasserman Schultz said they are running their own race. "They have to talk about and focus on the issues that are important to their constituents. And what´s also true is, if you look at the success rate and the track record of

Fraud runs rampant in Census Bureau
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New York Post, by John Crudele    Original Article
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There’s a pattern of falsifying statistics throughout the entire Census Bureau. And anyone who attempts to blow the whistle on the fraud is either retaliated against or ignored, according to two new sources who have experienced the process firsthand. As I’ve been writing for more than six months, the Census Bureau office in Philadelphia uncovered a case of fraud in 2010, did nothing about it and allowed the practice to continue. In that instance, a data collector named Julius Buckmon was faking reports that went into the nation’s all-important jobless tally and consumer-inflation survey. Because the Census Bureau’s surveys are scientific — meaning

John Kerry’s Easter Message:
I’m ‘First Catholic Secretary of
State in 33 Years’

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Cybercast News Service, by Terence P. Jeffrey    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/21/2014 2:26:51 AM     Post Reply
In an op-ed published in the Boston Globe on Easter Sunday and posted on the State Department website, Secretary of State John Kerry recalled his days as an altar boy and pointed out that he is “the first Catholic Secretary of State in 33 years.” Alexander Haig, who served as secretary of state to President Ronald Reagan from January 1981 to July 1982, was also a Catholic. Last month, I traveled to Rome with President Obama, where I was honored to meet His Holiness Pope Francis,” said Kerry. “As an altar boy six decades ago, I never imagined that I


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