Arguing federal workers should not get special treatment, Rand Paul says he does not want taxpayers subsidizing the personal health care plans of any federal employee — including Chief Justice John Roberts — anymore. With some in Congress arguing lawmakers and their staff should not get subsidies to cover their health insurance as President Obama’s health care law goes into effect, the Republican senator from Kentucky told The Daily Caller on Sunday that he’s going to start pushing a constitutional amendment that goes even further. Paul’s proposal — outlawing any special exemptions for government employees — would mean all federal
Gotta love Ron Paul. I am with him on this and grateful he is raising this point. Don´t know how likely this is to happen but its another way of shining light on Obama´s legacy ´transformational´ as it will destroy the very fabric of the country.
The "weird trick", as Clarice Feldmen says, is, if you eliminate all exemptions, suddenly the democrats will acknowledge that it´s a horrible law. If they have to be under this law, they don´t want this law. They will be stripped of their royalty status!!
Great idea. Ideally each congressional office would be its own little enterprise. Give them a flat fee and make them pay all expenses out of it - their health care, staffers salaries, travel, mail costs, even Post It notes. Then apply strict labor laws, the threat of IRS audits, etc... Sit back and watch how quickly they collapse under the laws they force onto everyone else.
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pete moss, 9/23/2013 9:44:09 AM (No. 9532862)
This is the best idea I´ve heard in a long, long time. If Obamacare is good enough for us peons, it´s good enough for John Roberts, Barack Hussein Obama and every other member of the Supreme Court and Congress who voted for it. Who do these people think they are .......... royalty or something? Obviously they do!
Each should be forced to sit through a guided three hour session with a "navigator." Under threat of perjury they should be required to answer all questions about their health, finances, traffic tickets, drug use and personal relationships.
NO exemptions should exist. If this program is so good, why is everyone treating it like punishment and trying to opt out of it?
Paul’s proposal — outlawing any special exemptions for government employees — would mean all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies.
One would think it´s a no-brainer. One would think that because so many people want an exemption, that they know something the proponents of O´Care don´t know. One would think that because Obama exempted his buddies and cronies and Congressional aides from O´Care, that the plan may actually be harmful. One would think that if O´Care is so wonderful for America, people would be clamoring to find out how to get it instead of running for the nearest exist.
But one would be wrong. Why is it that despite 80% of Americans (roughly) hating this plan, Obama and the Democrats still want it?
Is this plan really about our health care or is it about controlling every facet of our lives, using the threat of holding back proper treatment as blackmail for votes?
Eligibility for enrollment in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program is a portion of the current compensation package paid to federal employees and federal retirees. Essentially the government pays a portion of the cost of the premiums and the employees must pay the remainder.
In addition that plan is considered to be an insurance exchange because the federal employees and the retirees can pick from among a large number of plans at differing costs. Essentially it looks like what Paul is calling for is the elimination of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, and that the compensation that the government pays to federal employees and retirees be reduced by the amounts that the government pays into the plan for each of those employees, with the employees then going out and purchasing their future health insurance through an Obamacare exchange at whatever it costs them out of pocket for individual health insurance. That would amount to a big reduction in pay for those millions of federal employees and retirees.
Re#11....... Equal Protrection??? Now that´s a hoot! Every law exempts someone. And I have finally learned that even Justice is reserved for the well connected or those that can afford it.
The IRS code is chalk full of exemptions and credits for the chosen. Employeers with fewer than 50 employees are exempt from most labor laws. We are governed by the "ruling class". Sure, you can get into that class, but you wont go far unless yur in bed with the boys and girls at the top. And I have news for ya´ll, its every bit as bad at the local and state levels. The truth is that its always been that way, its just getting worse.
Back in the days when "HONOR" meant something, it wasnt so bad. Its not enough to restore liberty and personal responsiblity. We MUST restore HONOR.
Whereas Obamacare was supposed to help those without adequate health care insurance obtain it, the law is having the opposite effect, which is damaging the health care benefits of those that already have insurance, and of course hurting medical providers in many sectors, especially hospitals, because of the inadequate reimbursement for treatment. As a retired Federal employee already paying for Medicare, and also paying for Health Care via the Federal system, I already pay in excess of $10K annually for our Health Care coverage. I do not wish to change my coverage, but expect that $10K+ will go a long way toward good insurance under any program I may be mandated to use. The problem is that the Providers may no longer be available under the new law, as they cannot make ends meet. The politics of the whole matter is extremely short sighted and does not begin to take all the unexpected side effects into account.
Paul is acting crazy, just like his father. An amendment takes years to get passed, if ever. This will not fly. It would be better to try and get a law passed, that way those in Congress opposed can explain why they think it is a bad idea.
Oh please. This is the kind of move you talk about when you have something that is ready for prime time. Obamacare is anything but that. Therefore, the GOP should be trying to save as many people as possible from being forced out of what they have (which most are happy with) and into something that we all know to be a train wreck.
Yes, I´m covered under the Federal Employee Health Benefits Plan as the wife of a retired federal employee. I know that this move would wreak havoc with our retirement situation ... all so Rand Paul, who I have long admired, could feel he was punishing certain individuals such as Justice Roberts. He doesn´t seem to realize that Justice Roberts is a man of means who most likely can buy whatever healthcare he needs with his own funds.
Wrong move, IMO. He should wait until the bugs are out of Obamacare before forcing another 8 million people into it.
But meanwhile, #25, those of us who stand to lose our present insurance and be forced into something we can´t afford or don´t want should willingly give up what we have for your benefit? No, if we must sink, I´d rather the rest of you go down with us.
As a member of the protected class #25 perhaps you are not aware that many of the great unwashed are already being forced into and out of coverage by this law. My premiums went up 75% within a month of the bill being signed. Then my plan was deemed not acceptable under the ridiculously named Affordable Care Act. I agree with #26, we are all equal, and if I have to suffer so should you and everyone else. And another point, regardless of ones means, if things continue the way they are going there will be nowhere to purchase any coverage.
Experience in the unlamented Soviet Union showed that the nomenklatura would never surrender its perquisites - dachas in the countryside, shopping privileges at beryozka stores, opportunities for unlimited graft - until the system that enabled them was disabled. So it is with America´s ruling class, without party distinction. In this case, "disablement" means the restoration of constitutional governance.
Is there any newspaper that would write an editorial - well just list, that´s enough, of all those who are allowed to be exempted from ObamaCare?
There´s no logic in the policies of our government. If guns are bad, why do we ship them to other countries? If Obama wants to help the middle class, why are his regulations destroying job opportunities for the middle class? If ObamaCare is so great, why doesn´t the President want to be part of it?
I think the Senator´s idea is perfectly logical and makes perfect sense to me.
#18 ~ going a bit further, the Constitution prohibits varying the compensation of federal judges, which is why you have Rand Paul doing this ´constitutional amendment´ trick.
He probably just now found out that the 27th amendment worked to cut his FEHB subsidy off at the knees way back right after the 2010 election.
That bad boy now owes the US Gub´mnt at least $75,000 in compensation obtained under false pretenses in the form of an FEHB subsidy in part of 2010, all of 2011, all of 2012, and all of 2013!
Once ObamaKKKare was passed, by the day after the next election, Congressional compensation was REVISED DRAMATICALLY. They had to go to an ´exchange´ ~ a ´state exchange´ ~ whether it existed at the time or not! And whether it existed or not, it didn´t provide the FEHB ´subsidy´ ~ actual ´fringe benefit portion of the compensation package´.
Rand wants to take everybody down with him. Better he submit a Constitutional amendment to require term limits with NO variation in compensation through the term of office. That´d be a good compromise, or, he and the boys could call in John Roberts and talk to him ´bout ruling this whole smelly pile of dung UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
There´s really no way out of making that $75,000 overpayment of Congressional compensation good otherwise!
Now, about USPS employees and retirees (30% of the affected people), they negotiated the deal in good faith. There´s a 5th amendment ´taking´ here so Rand´s amendment will have to deal with the 5th, and maybe the 4th. Not sayin´ Rand is just another ignant Kay-wackian hillbilly, but I doubt he can get it written!
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lil dotty, 9/23/2013 10:55:38 AM (No. 9532994)
Sen Paul. Way to go. When this monstrosity had worked its way up to the high court the important question was ´What type of health care coverage is given to our SC justices? No where could an answer be found. In this instance, totally stand behind you 110 percent
If Rand Paul really is after true equality he would be proposing that all employer provided health care insurance, both public and private sector, be declared illegal and that the entire population of the USA must purchase their health care insurance through the Obamacare State Exchanges.
Before doing that Paul should figure out the increased cost to the US Government in carrying that out, along with the obvious fact that the next step would be a true government run national health insurance situation that he definitely would not like.
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