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Obama Takes on Coal With
First-Ever Carbon Limits

Associated Press, by Dina Cappielo

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Posted By:MDMuskrat, 9/20/2013 8:44:43 AM

The Obama administration is pressing ahead with tough requirements for new coal-fired power plants, moving to impose for the first time strict limits on the pollution blamed for global warming. The proposal would help reshape where Americans get electricity, away from a coal-dependent past into a future fired by cleaner sources of energy. It´s also a key step in President Barack Obama´s global warming plans, because it would help end what he called "the limitless dumping of carbon pollution" from power plants.

Energy may be the most divisive issue in the world today. Forget politics, religion, economics, race, and all of the other subjects that set us at each other’s throats. Energy is more polarizing than all of these because it has all of these elements in it – and more. Energy = Power.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: lilo, 9/20/2013 8:52:13 AM     (No. 9528796)

About 99.99% of carbon dioxide is produced in DC. If the politicians would just shut up global warming would be stopped in its tracks. (I originally wrote carbon monoxide instead of dioxide, but DC is pretty good about emitting that also. Just think of how much their regulations smother.)

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Reply 2 - Posted by: steveW, 9/20/2013 8:59:44 AM     (No. 9528807)

This is why they have to keep pretending "global warming" is real: they want to punish people.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: fhancock, 9/20/2013 9:03:10 AM     (No. 9528812)

Just remember with Democrats there are NO COINCIDENCES. The fact that this helps destroy the economy is by design...no one can be that clueless or ideologically driven...pure malice is what this is.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 9/20/2013 9:04:03 AM     (No. 9528814)

Our electricity charges just went up again. This time, 3%. I´m sure it has nothing to do with six SC coal-fired plants being shut down in the last year or so. /s

Regulations for existing plants involve too much expense to bring those plants up to the new standards; regulations for new plants make them too expensive to build.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: aasilver, 9/20/2013 9:06:00 AM     (No. 9528819)

The Manchurian candidate in our Capital continues his quest to destroy the economy of the USA.

The communist belief is that we will destroy ourselves from within.

Obama is their weapon.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: cgood, 9/20/2013 9:15:25 AM     (No. 9528842)

We aren´t going to survive the next 3 1/3 years; it is as simple as that.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: MattMusson, 9/20/2013 9:15:49 AM     (No. 9528844)

Energy Suicide.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: MattMusson, 9/20/2013 9:17:23 AM     (No. 9528847)

Al Gore is flying somewhere in his Private Jet - looking down on us and laughing.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 9/20/2013 9:17:49 AM     (No. 9528850)

This war against traditional sources of generating energy is tearing the world apart.

An article posted here yesterday (http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=752874) enumerated almost all of the reasons why it is a grave social and economic mistake to flee traditional sources of energy (nuclear, hydrocarbon) before "pie-in-the-sky" sources (wind, solar) are ready technologically. In fact, one section of that article defines why these sources may never be ready to carry the load:
"One of the first obstacles encountered involves the vagaries of electrical power generation that is dependent on sources as inconsistent and unpredictable as the wind and the sun."

This Obama/EPA rush to combat carbon and fight ´Global Warming´ may be because they are in a panic about the 23 September release of the UN´s IPCC report which (if honest...which it won´t be) will admit that GW, especially that caused by human activity (AGW) has been hyped to the point of being A GLOBAL HOAX! [AlGore, call your office.]

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 9/20/2013 9:18:25 AM     (No. 9528853)

Check to see who´s shorting coal futures and I´ll bet you´ll find a Zippy supporter.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: steelbreeze, 9/20/2013 9:22:15 AM     (No. 9528858)

I hope everyone here in Southern Illinois that makes their living from coal is real happy with the guy they helped elect.Just how damn dumb can a democrat get?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 9/20/2013 9:23:40 AM     (No. 9528861)

Kentucky is a coat state...we have 8.4 unemployment. It´s interesting that Zippy is coming after our state because we have a governor who LUVS the Prez. I guess Kentucky is expendable because we voted for Romney by 15 points.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Davids918, 9/20/2013 9:30:34 AM     (No. 9528868)

What´s amazing about this is it costs gov´t more to turn the lights on, heat and air condition all those gov´t buildings, offices, schools, libraries, police stations, fire stations, etc...

Yes, it also cost more just to do that basic function, which then means less for salaries, benefits and pensions for those people.

The Democrats war on energy, particularly COAL, is hurting everyone by costing more.

Joe Manchin of WV should immediately switch parties, as should all the other "conservative" Democrats. He´d have more influence in the GOP than he ever will in Democrat party which is controlled by liberals.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: cgood, 9/20/2013 9:33:11 AM     (No. 9528873)

Uh... hello...congress, are you there? Regulations are supposed to be derived from laws. When will the legislative branch stand up? When will our representatives start to represent us?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: kanphil, 9/20/2013 9:44:30 AM     (No. 9528890)

Coal is the most abundant energy source we have. If the moron in the WH were truly intelligent, he would devote money and talent to developing cleaner coal technologies. We WILL use coal. Obama is merely delaying development of cleaner coal.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: rochow, 9/20/2013 9:51:20 AM     (No. 9528911)

The piece of trash is at it again. He can´t stop himself from demolishing this country and its industries! He wants to reduce the US to a Kenyan ´home´ with a single light bulb, same as his ´father´s home´!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 9/20/2013 9:52:11 AM     (No. 9528913)

Hey West Virginia, ready to elect another Democrat? Idiots.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Country Boy, 9/20/2013 10:14:38 AM     (No. 9528946)

If CO2 is a pollutant, so it O2 (oxygen). Just two different sides of the same botanical process.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: 3 Legged Dog, 9/20/2013 10:16:09 AM     (No. 9528947)

Stupid AP article references "cleaner alternatives." But It doesn´t list them. Why? Because most Americans do not have nuclear power available to them and most cannot afford to put solar cells on their roof.

Welcome to Amerika

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Shucky, 9/20/2013 10:18:46 AM     (No. 9528952)

Who will be hurt the most? The cost of electricity will go up, making it more difficult for the poor to afford food or keep from freezing to death. Obama is evil.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: retiree, 9/20/2013 10:22:58 AM     (No. 9528961)

He said he would do it. Not all at once but make so many restrictions they would have to close.
Not enough repubs to stand up against him.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: lana720, 9/20/2013 10:37:29 AM     (No. 9528986)

Just another step towards our total destruction, sanctioned by the EPA and EO´d by preezy.

Remember when he told us what he would do while campaigning the first time? Energy costs will necessarily skyrocket, right after his smug comment to those who would dare to build a coal plant. Good luck, but you will go bankrupt.

Hardly even a benevolent diktator at this point.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Engrpat, 9/20/2013 10:39:44 AM     (No. 9528992)

Where are the unions? I can think of two right off the bat that this will hurt, miners and railroaders. Notice that the rail unions are still sticking with Obama. Let the jobs go, so long as Obama is happy the leadership is happy.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: oh-heck, 9/20/2013 10:47:31 AM     (No. 9529009)

If you want to reduce CO2 emissions, allow the coal power plants to add natural gas for a combined cycle power plant that sells steam to run chemical plants next door. Adding natural gas turbines over the course of a 5 year period would allow you to step down CO2 emissions, while stepping up power production.

The way the CAA is written, existing facilities should be grandfathered. It sounds like these regulations also seem to change that part of the law.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: trackman999, 9/20/2013 11:32:50 AM     (No. 9529071)

The EPA is not empowered by the Constitution to make law, but it does just that by calling them " regulations".

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Reply 26 - Posted by: mickturn, 9/20/2013 1:41:40 PM     (No. 9529283)

Actual Headline: Obie screws states that didn´t vote for him.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: nonsense, 9/20/2013 2:05:12 PM     (No. 9529316)

#23 the only union that Dear Leader cares about is the SEIU. Thus his push to hire 7 million more Obamascare workers and unionize them. Illegals will be welcome with open arms. Perez will guarantee them whatever they want. The rest of us will pay for the new "fairness".

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Bur Oak, 9/20/2013 7:24:00 PM     (No. 9529786)

Life on earth is carbon based. If government controls carbon, they control life. This includes you and me. This is the goal of the "elite." Go to the website epa.gov and look at their statements about carbon pollution. Coal today, the rest tomorrow.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: anonymous, 9/20/2013 7:28:03 PM     (No. 9529789)

If the President is serious about pollution, why doesn´t he stop flying about in his carbon-spewing private jet? He should lead by example and take a ship to his next meeting.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Videodrone, 9/20/2013 9:04:36 PM     (No. 9529897)


lived in the same place for 20+ years, last week paid my first $500 PG&E bill (500.21 - Electric and gas) yes, we have a pool (above ground with solar heaters) and in an micro climate that can exceed 110F and yes I work at home when not traveling and maintain a few servers (that are not on 24/7)

20 years ago we had a sustained 8 week period with 100+ temps and AC working 20 hours a day - and the bill was less than $180 a month...

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Harry Reid isn’t backing down from his claim that rancher Cliven Bundy’s supporters are “domestic terrorists.” It’s astonishing rhetoric given the White House’s characterization of the mass shooting by a genuine terrorist, Major Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 Americans at the Fort Hood Army base after yelling “Allahu Akbar!” (God is great.) Rather than labeling Hasan’s actions “domestic terrorism,” the Obama administration is prosecuting him for having committed “workplace violence.” Democratic rhetoric is become ever more desperate and overheated as we approach the November midterm elections. Last week, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said that GOP positions on immigration were motivated by

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