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Navy Yard shooting:
Swat team awaits answers

BBC News [UK], by Debbie Siegelbaum

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 9/19/2013 9:46:21 PM

Members of a Washington DC Swat team who the BBC has learned were ordered not to respond to Monday´s Navy Yard shootings have yet to be contacted by the authorities. The Capitol Police tactical response team was told by a supervisor to leave the scene instead of aiding municipal officers, sources told the BBC. Meanwhile, the department has installed a new leader of the elite unit. No reason has been given for the decision. [Snip] The BBC has also learned that four members of the highly trained team have applied for temporary leave, as they "grapple" with the aftermath of

If these details are true, even if only partially, there is the distinct aroma of rotten fish permeating this aspect of the incident.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: wilarrbie, 9/19/2013 10:01:37 PM     (No. 9528353)

Would comment - but I´m off to the store. There´s a sale on tin foil and I need to stock up. Something, lots of things rotten, stinking to the high Heavens.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: strike3, 9/19/2013 10:10:25 PM     (No. 9528360)

If these poseurs were "elite" they would have been in there hunting down the killer and saving lives. I don´t care how well they dress up like soldiers and how much time they spend on the target range, it´s what´s inside a person that counts

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Reply 3 - Posted by: mfm, 9/19/2013 10:26:08 PM     (No. 9528378)

SWAT would have taken a white man down, a Black man on Government property, no way....Somethings up folks, just another day..

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Reply 4 - Posted by: killerbee, 9/19/2013 11:14:42 PM     (No. 9528415)

I read on Instapundit´s comments that the problem was likely jurisdiction. That seems stupid, but DC police are not allowed to go in guns blazing to a US military facility. Not sure how to fix that as those separations are pretty important.

But allowing members of the military to carry loaded weapons with the proper permits inside the facility would probably be enough to take out any lunatics before they kill too many innocents. Gun Free Zones are victim pens.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: gam, 9/20/2013 7:26:34 AM     (No. 9528665)

Capitol Police and Metro Police are different forces. Capitol covers 40 square blocks on Capitol Hill and are often called into incidents in neighborhoods around their jurisdiction. Metro tends to not show up unless the crime is illegal parking. Local residents call Capitol because they know they will respond. Capitol is often (always)compromised by politics. Capitol cops often get in trouble for doing the job they have sworn to do.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Rinktum, 9/20/2013 7:41:18 AM     (No. 9528680)

Another soft target. Any military base should be the last place a deranged killer would choose as a target. If trained military are unable to carry or even have a weapon available in their desk etc, who is? Time to stop all this political correctness crap that makes us sitting ducks. I can´t believe how stupid and dangerous these policies are.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: privateer, 9/20/2013 7:48:14 AM     (No. 9528691)

They´ve convened a ´Fact Review Team´, as in Accountability Review Board, as in Cover Stinky´s Treachery.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Coy860, 9/20/2013 7:55:16 AM     (No. 9528700)

I can think of a few locations that if attacked, I would want them to stand down. s/
Sidearms should be part of the official uniform of our ARMED FORCES.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Red Jeep, 9/20/2013 7:56:23 AM     (No. 9528703)

Why must we learn about this from the BBC? Are the American MSM´s crayons broken?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: jinx, 9/20/2013 8:01:53 AM     (No. 9528711)

This is asinine! When a murderer is on the loose, you do not tell the police to stand down. The way things are handled these days, the police are damned if they do and damned if they don´t. Welcome to a very dangerous PC world.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Bohallx, 9/20/2013 8:05:55 AM     (No. 9528721)

As noted above, DC has a multiplicity of cops with all sorts of jurisdictions.

This came up not long ago when the fellow displayed a firearm at Freedom Plaza ~ the Park Police picked him up over in Virginia ~ that´s because that area is federal, not DC Gub´mnt, and the Park Police are federal.

Here we had a dozen people murdered by a madman ~ and there was a SWAT team where there was probably a prior arrangement regarding incidents at Navy Yard ~ but nobody´d looked at it since WWII.

Remember, Navy Yard is/was a port facility with warships. No way the "Greatest Generation" would have required heavily armed police tgo stand on their thumbs while the Germans attacked from a submarine or something.

With the two building guards down the only jurisdictional problem was ´who holds the door open´ ~ if I had been on the scene all the cops would have gotten to go inside!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: MattMusson, 9/20/2013 8:08:23 AM     (No. 9528725)

The ´Stand Down´ administration.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: gaeditor, 9/20/2013 8:09:12 AM     (No. 9528728)

#9 is right. If we are ever going to have our country back, we must get rid of the MSM.

They are the main problem, funneling their stupid (and they are stupid!) opinions, or the propaganda spewing on order from the WH and Democrat party (no tinfoil hat here, remember Journolist? Think they went away?)- not facts- to the lo-fos who simply slurp it up like candy.

They are the tyrants here. They must be stopped if America is to survive.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Felixcat, 9/20/2013 8:40:15 AM     (No. 9528773)

Nothing will come of this, DC mayor is black. DC Metro Police Chief is white female. Case closed. The DC police should have concerned themselves with traffic control and let the more capable federal law enforcement, such as Capitol Police/SWAT, take control/command of the situation inside the Navy Yard - federal jurisdiction.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: WyoEagle, 9/20/2013 9:00:26 AM     (No. 9528808)

Capitol cops were asked by Metro to help and they should have...Period! This is easy, who gave the withdraw order and why. Then fire that person.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: peterfleming, 9/20/2013 9:06:42 AM     (No. 9528822)

The criminality of the elite Washington controllers is beyond the imagination of most good, questioning, patriotic American citizens, so it is not bad advice to keep in touch again with old time patriots, survivalists, people who have been interested in this subject of America the Beautiful for many decades. Just look at the growing list of hundreds of witnesses, normal citizens, who have mysteriously died.
Good starting place, look at Bill and Hilary´s first act in the Presidency: they slaughtered an entire building full of men,
women and children at Waco, with no news men
allowed within three miles of the human destruction. Why are no Benghazi witnesses
coming forward (there are 30 of them) ?
Could it be the threat of death? Just asking

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Reply 17 - Posted by: donnaclaire, 9/20/2013 9:30:52 AM     (No. 9528870)

Seriously, it´s looking more and more as if there´s some ´wizard´ behind the curtain directing all these missed opportunities, tepid responses and puzzling decisions. I´m mad as hell that these inexplicable things keep happening with no reasonable explanations from the ´powers that be´.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: mathman, 9/20/2013 9:48:57 AM     (No. 9528899)

Come on, LDotters. This a puzzle which is easily solved.
Ø was giving a speech. The SWAT team was on standby to protect the big Ø, since the entire country depends on his personal safety.
Oops. I meant the entire world depends on his personal safety.
Who else will send a thrill to Chris Matthews?
Therefore the SWAT team could NOT be diverted from their principal duty, which is not the protection of the Capitol, not the protection of Congress, not the security of the Capitol grounds, but the personal security of the Won. Zero only has the Secret Service to defend him, after all. Such a puny force is clearly inadequate for a person who is so vital.
Had the SWAT team intervened at the Navy Yard, another shooter might have been shooting at Zippy. Can´t have that.
The stand-down decision was strictly political.
Just like Benghazi.
And we will never learn any more about it.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: rochow, 9/20/2013 9:49:29 AM     (No. 9528902)

2 days ago a talk show host mentioned that the Swat team was told ´to stand down´! Well, I guess we have our own Benghazi over here. Please, do connect the dots what the clown was about to do: give a highly partisan speech against Republicans so that people should forget about his infantile handling of Syria. The only thing this empty suit can do and I don´t know why they bother, read off a teleprompter and go into campaign mode as if another person is responsible in the Oval! The shooting REALLY interfered with HIS schedule! As usual he did not know what to do, he is leading from behind! Witness even lefties comments on his callous remarks as he continued HIS agenda! This trash has to be endured 3 more years? NO! We can hold impeachment hearings, we have 30 members who are needed, it will stop this POS in his tracks even if he does not get impeached. Something we all know he should be. Actually he should have never set foot in the Oval!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: southernboy, 9/20/2013 10:06:47 AM     (No. 9528938)

As an aside, did anyone catch the uniform the D.C. police chief was wearing? Four tin stars on each shoulder board. A right chest displaying an array of medals an Army general fresh back from war might wear. Medals…. on a police chief?? And…bare-headed. If you are pretending to be military at least wear your cover when dressed in a formal uniform at a press conference. Geesh!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Cor-vet, 9/20/2013 10:29:24 AM     (No. 9528972)

Every agency the government can think up have an armed contingent, but the US military can´t carry loaded weapons! If they can´t be trusted, who can?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Grambo, 9/20/2013 10:53:47 AM     (No. 9529018)

Well said, #20.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: privateer, 9/20/2013 11:10:39 AM     (No. 9529041)

Or how about this simple explanation, 18. These shootings, body counts increased by a deliberate stand-down, serve a purpose. The more firearm violence, the more pressure to end the 2nd ammendment. Once the People are disarmed, Stinky the Tyrant´s Stalinesque or Mugabesque dictatorship will proceed apace.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Grandpa Bill, 9/20/2013 11:28:40 AM     (No. 9529064)

As others have stated often, it seems our best source for truthful news is the British press.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: comstock, 9/20/2013 11:37:17 AM     (No. 9529082)

Every regulatory agency in existence has become highly militarized in the last 5 years. Millions have been spent on outfitting these agencies with expensive SWAT gear and weaponry. There have been sporadic reports of mass purchases of "assault" rifles and hundreds of millions of rounds for these weapons by Homeland Security, etc. The days of Elliot Ness and his Tommy-Gun wielding Feds have been eclipsed by a myriad of agencies. One can only hope they got some training to go along with all that gear. I´m sick of witnessing the self-serving rounds of circle-jerk news conferences with senior agents congratulating one another on what great inter-agency cooperation resulted in no one agent shooting another agent. Meanwhile, the bad guy shot 12.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: RancherJack, 9/20/2013 11:53:33 AM     (No. 9529113)

Last night I saw
Upon a stair
A SWAT Team that wasn´t there
They weren´t there again today
Obama told them to go away

When I came home last night at three
No SWAT Team was waiting for me
But when I looked around the hall
There was Obama in all his gall
Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!
Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door... (slam!)

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Reply 27 - Posted by: William1, 9/20/2013 12:00:43 PM     (No. 9529123)

The SWAT team was probably diverted in order to kill some 107-year-old man elsewhere in the District.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: curious1, 9/20/2013 12:28:35 PM     (No. 9529157)

#13, the libtards (commies/etc.) also control education and democrat party. Don´t forget them in addition to the media.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: daisey, 9/20/2013 12:43:31 PM     (No. 9529169)

#23 said exactly what I was thinking

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Rafter, 9/20/2013 12:53:53 PM     (No. 9529186)

#27, you are the winner so far!

I am sorry that what you suggest is fully plausible, and sorry to have to laugh at it... but it´s good!

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Reply 31 - Posted by: trapper, 9/20/2013 3:03:41 PM     (No. 9529397)

And in the meantime, why is the mass shooting of 13 people in a Chicago park last night, including a 3 year old boy who was shot in the head, not covered the same way as Columbine, Newtown, or the Navy Yard? Two black men with dreadlocks exit a car and open fire on a crowd of black Southsiders standing around in a park, and there is no hyperventilating. No CNN. No wall to wall all day coverage on the cable channels and the liberal media. Why? The firemen just hose down the blood and all is forgotten. Don´t THESE people count?

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 9/20/2013 4:52:28 PM     (No. 9529582)

Democrats do not want this investigation, either. The DC area is a quagmire of political favored appointees and politically correct and affirmative action gone wild. What did Reagan say?" The scariest words an American citizen will ever hear is, "I am from the government and I am here to help you.""

Never before in our history have those words been more appropriate. Government would screw up a Chinese fire drill.

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Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:09:17 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

White House asks American parents to
monitor their children for signs of terrorism

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Daily Caller, by Eric Owens    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/19/2014 5:50:04 PM     Post Reply
In a speech earlier this week, Lisa O. Monaco, President Barack Obama’s assistant for homeland security and counterterrorism, insisted that American parents must be vigilant because their “confrontational” children could be on the verge of becoming terrorists. Monaco’s full, prepared text is available here. She presented the speech, entitled “Countering Violent Extremism and the Power of Community,” at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government on April 15. Monaco began her remarks by eloquently describing the lives tragically lost last year during the Boston Marathon bombings. Interestingly, the Harvard grad failed to mention the religion or the motive of brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan

Ann Coulter takes up ‘Mitt
Romney for President’ chant again

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 7:03:28 PM     Post Reply
Conservative columnist Ann Coulter — who used her talk show platform in the last presidential election cycle to campaign hard for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney — has taken up the mantra once again, calling on Republicans to give the failed White House bidder another shot in 2016. She made the suggestion during a discussion on Sean Hannity’s radio show while speaking of her new book, “Never Trust a Liberal Over 3-Especially a Republican.” Ms. Coulter also addressed the question of Mr. Romney’s shortcomings by saying that his 2012 loss wasn’t entirely his fault. “I think too much blame, not only in this

You lie! Reporters accuse Obama
of deception, demagoguery just
to get attention

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/18/2014 9:28:24 PM     Post Reply
Prominent Washington correspondents are accusing President Obama and his aides of knowingly stretching the truth on issues like the so-called women´s pay gap just to create controversy and keep issues -- and the president -- relevant. Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus kicked off the attack last week when she blasted as “demagoguery” the administration´s tactics during the pay gap debate. “The level of hyperbole -- actually, of demagoguery -- that Democrats have engaged in here is revolting,” she wrote. CBS White House Correspondent Major Garrett then weighed in this week in his National Journal

Clintons celebrate Chelsea’s
pregnancy announcement

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New York Post, by Stephanie Smith    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:32:52 AM     Post Reply
The Clintons had a busy night of celebrations after Chelsea announced she and husband Marc Mezvinsky are expecting a baby. Bill joined “House of Cards” star Kevin Spacey at the Revlon Rainforest Fund Benefit Concert at Carnegie Hall Thursday, joking of Spacey’s Machiavellian character, “When I was president people accused me of murder all the time, made a show of investigating. Spacey’s president for 15 minutes and he gets away with murder.” Spacey, who sang during the event with Sting, Stephen Stills and James Taylor, also showed off his Johnny Carson impression, taking a swipe at the coverage of Flight

Harry Reid Doubles Down on Bundy
Ranch: ´If They´re Patriots, We´re
in Big Trouble´

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Breitbart Big Government, by Kerry Picket    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 9:39:40 PM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Friday stood by his statement regarding embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, saying on KSNV’s What’s Your Point?, “If anyone thinks by any figment of their imagination that what happened up there last week was just people rallying to somebody that was oppressed, 600 people came in armed. They had practiced. They had maneuvered.” Reid continued, “They knew what they were doing. They set up snipers in strategic locations with sniper rifles. They had assault weapons. They had automatic weapons. And they boasted about the fact that they put women and children, in fact one

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