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Germany´s Effort at
Clean Energy Proves Complex

New York Times, by Melissa Eddy and Stanley Reed

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Posted By:Rafter, 9/19/2013 4:37:18 PM

BERLIN — It is an audacious undertaking with wide and deep support in Germany: shut down the nation’s nuclear power plants, wean the country from coal and promote a wholesale shift to renewable energy sources. But the plan, backed by Chancellor Angela Merkel and opposition parties alike, is running into problems in execution that are forcing Germans to come face to face with the costs and complexities of sticking to their principles. German families are being hit by rapidly increasing electricity rates, to the point where growing numbers of them can no longer afford to pay the bill. Businesses are more

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This appears in the Thursday 9/19 NYT paper copy.
Below I will add what I heard from a German radical and then how I discovered her lies by researching online what the facts really are.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Rafter, 9/19/2013 4:46:14 PM     (No. 9527980)

A German radical who hangs with U.S. peaceniks and "activists" gave a lecture about energy
and lied through her teeth, as most radicals tend to do.

She claimed Germany could move immediately to "renewable and sustainable" types of energy
but the "corrupt nuclear industry" there stymies the change.

So I looked up the facts. Only 10 percent of energy then in Germany was renewable, while
the U.S. was at 8 percent.
The German goal was 100 percent renewable by the year 2050, another 40 years hence when
I researched this.

And now... Germany announced months ago having to drop "solar" - duhhhh, imagine
using solar in Germany... ha!

And this article details the rest of their story. Most of Europe is way short of energy
compared to the U.S.

We are the Saudi Arabia of coal, natural gas, and soon also oil.
The radical nutjob enviro-wackoes can go frack themselves.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Rafter, 9/19/2013 4:51:50 PM     (No. 9527987)

Also I learned that the Germans buy wood pellets from our U.S. state of Georgia
for energy to burn/use in Germany.

If you think it´s wrong to chop down our forests in the USA for the Germans...
think again...
they are harvesting "bio-mass" which is renewable and sustainable, see?

If you call forests "bio-mass" that makes it okay to chop trees down to send overseas
for an industrialized power to burn instead of their own domestic "dirty" coal.

Who knew?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: mickturn, 9/19/2013 4:59:01 PM     (No. 9528007)

Put libs in the ´exhaust chamber´ they can clean the air themselves.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: snowoutlaw, 9/19/2013 5:12:14 PM     (No. 9528029)

So the plan to stop using all real energy sources is running into problems? How could they not have foreseen the logical result?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: KTWO, 9/19/2013 5:16:57 PM     (No. 9528037)

Utopia is a great until you have to pay the rent.

German´s aren´t unique in making such mistakes but this one was huge.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: hoopsfan, 9/19/2013 5:19:32 PM     (No. 9528039)

NYT headline:
Germany´s Effort at
Clean Energy Proves Complex

Real meaning -- it ain´t working well, and costs a ton of money.



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Reply 7 - Posted by: snakeoil, 9/19/2013 5:34:28 PM     (No. 9528055)

Without electricity there are no electric lights, air conditioning, radio, tv, stereos, internet, computers, etc. In the amount needed by industrial countries there are only 3 ways to produce it: nuclear, hydroelectric, and burning anything that will burn like fossil fuels. Wind, solar, geothermal are just pipe dreams. You would think that Germans would be smart enough to understand that. It´s like people who have cell phones but don´t want to live next to a cell phone tower. There are some advantages to living in a non electrical world: You can´t hear ØDumbø speak unless you within a few hundred feet of him.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter, 9/19/2013 5:47:08 PM     (No. 9528071)

So the first step toward clean energy is to shut down the nuclear power plants. Classic liberal logic.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 9/19/2013 6:02:35 PM     (No. 9528092)

Replace "US" for "Germany" and "Health Care" for "Clean Energy" in the article and you get us with Obamacare.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: dman, 9/19/2013 6:22:40 PM     (No. 9528112)

"Proves Complex" = "Flops"

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Reply 11 - Posted by: veritas, 9/19/2013 6:37:55 PM     (No. 9528142)

This is really, and personally, depressing. I guess just about everyone with real Germanic traits has moved out-of-country?

OK, some truth -- "renewable energy" almost always means "let´s make electricity in ways that everybody else rejected for good reasons long ago."

But notice -- it´s always about making electricity. How much of our energy consumption isn´t electricity? A lot. Only about 40% of US energy consumption goes to commercial-scale electric power production.

Electricity: a. isn´t a fuel, just a way to transfer energy from fuels, usually from more-efficient large-scale producers, to end-users of all scales; and b. almost all electricity users are stationary. You can have a cord on your electric lawnmower, probably not a truck or airliner. Is that lawnmower really "mobile" in practical terms?

It´s all insane. Thanks, humanity-hating technophobes. Good luck when the rest of us move off-planet.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 9/19/2013 7:38:06 PM     (No. 9528216)

I found the picture interesting. Middle-aged guy, likely worked all his life, and look at what he has, a lousy little apartment, small fridge, a joke of a stove, and one light bulb. Maybe he can add a fan that you pedal to make work. I guess he can always break some snow off his window and chill his beer for free, or does he get taxed on "snow usage"?

Freaking Berlin. You can have it.

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