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This Time There Really
Will Be a Government
Shutdown And that´s not all bad

New Republic, by Noam Schieber

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Posted By:tisHimself, 9/17/2013 1:08:26 PM

Suffice it to say, it’s hard to do a deal when the only thing the other guy wants is the one thing you can’t give him. This null set scenario is, unfortunately, precisely where we find ourselves in the debate over funding the government beyond September 30th. House Republicans are insisting that any funding measure simultaneously de-fund Obamacare, while Democrats have rightly proclaimed this idea preposterous. And there appears to be no wiggle room in the GOP position. According to The Wall Street Journal, when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid asked House Speaker John Boehner what else on the entire

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Jebediah, 9/17/2013 1:14:43 PM     (No. 9524706)

WRONG!!!!!! Remember the LAST time we had a shutdown via Gingrich and Clinton, and the Press uniformly blamed the Republicans and the public bought it? Sure as heck don´t want Obamacare funded, but am willing to do so if it guarantees us winning the Senate and Congress in 2014 and THEN taking it apart, piece by piece, and also targeting all the other new age Obama stuff that is destroying our country.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 9/17/2013 1:16:16 PM     (No. 9524710)

Fear is a reason to cave?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 9/17/2013 1:17:53 PM     (No. 9524713)

Why not let all true Conservative reps take a page from 0bama´s book and vote present. Let the Rino´s and the Dems own it.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Jebediah, 9/17/2013 1:22:54 PM     (No. 9524718)

THIS IS A CLEVER ONE and don´t fall for it---e.g. Obama not being a tough negotiator ( actually with the Press behind him he can´t lose) and the Tea Parties wanting a shut down----which they do NOT. They want the government to keep running but Obamacare defunded. With Limbaugh´s low info voters (and Rush was all for that disaster under Gingrich as well) and the Press bellowing Republicans WILL be seen as those who want to shut down (destroy) the government, and Ted Cruz, who I otherwise like, and others are falling for it!!!!!! DISASTER! We are pulling defeat out of the mouth of victory!!!!!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: SouthSanAntonio, 9/17/2013 1:24:24 PM     (No. 9524720)

The Republicans are going to "own it" no matter what happens.

No matter the outcome, the MSM and the Demon-RATS will blame everything bad that happens on the Republicans.

Sadly, the RINO Republicans will blame it on the conservative Republicans too.

We can´t "win" this, so I say SHUT IT DOWN and do the right thing!!!!!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: tren9, 9/17/2013 1:30:30 PM     (No. 9524726)

In the Gingrich ´shut down´ the truth is that in the next election the Pubbies did quite well, in spite of what the press said.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: rustycfc, 9/17/2013 1:33:01 PM     (No. 9524729)

how about the money that goes over seas to the poor countries,the farm bills, school money, the intillements,do they get should too?-just asking.


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Reply 8 - Posted by: rustycfc, 9/17/2013 1:34:59 PM     (No. 9524731)

I meant to say shut down too

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Reply 9 - Posted by: StormCnter, 9/17/2013 1:36:18 PM     (No. 9524733)

I´m with Dr. Krauthammer. If this showdown had even a minimal chance of success, I´d be all for it, but it does not. 218 votes is not enough to win this battle. And, #2, it has zero to do with fear. It has to do with planning and strategy and avoiding the feel-good but futile gestures. And, most importantly, winning the political war. Not this month in the budget battle, but in 2014 and 2016.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 9/17/2013 1:41:02 PM     (No. 9524741)

The government is all set to stop on Oct 1- there will be an "emergency" funding- to "extend" by 30 days. This will go on for quite some time- prbly on through next year. The Dems are scared and so are the pubes. They have had no budget for 5 years now. Why? No money- no real money anyway. Treasury has been hiding the ´over the top´ out of ceiling expending since the beginning ot he year- they have exahusted the book tricks as of Oct 1. The debt ceiling will be raised - that is what is called in reality, just printing up more paper dollars annd handing it over to the banks as loan payments. But, this time is different- it will be in the trillions of dollars, not mere billions. Inflation will hit like a freight train- we will be dreaming when milk was only $6.00 a gallon and gas only $5.00 a gal.

The Piper is not out in the hallway anymore- he is standing in front of each and every one of us and his hand is out- He will be paid- the consequinces of not paying him are beyond terrible. You can not even imagine what happens next if this gvt is not funded.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 9/17/2013 1:41:38 PM     (No. 9524745)

If the Republicans do not try, THEN THEY RISK LOSING THE MIDTERMS, the base will stay home! Why vote for a rep who reacts and casts votes out of fear. Dem lite has never worked!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 9/17/2013 1:45:51 PM     (No. 9524751)

Obambi´s poll numbers are pitiful and only going to get worse if he doesn´t blink and allows a shutdown. Clinton enjoyed broad approval at the time of the last shutdown Clinton had not socialized medicine, spent a trillion bucks on a ´stimulus´ package or had Putin´s blow up cigar explode in his face. Obambi doesn’t have the slick skills of Clinton. And it could really backfire on him and his fascist buddies. Watch for another deal.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 9/17/2013 1:50:20 PM     (No. 9524759)

Exsqueeze me, but is this TNR coming out IN FAVOR of a goverment shutdown?

Sounds like it is. The argument is a shutdown over Obamacare and the continuing resolution is good practice, because coming after that is ANOTHER shutdown on the debt limit, y´know, the *other* one that Obambus "refuses to negotiate about".

Obambus should be impeached immediately for statements like that, he´s no more mentally stable than the nutcase who shot up the naval base.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 9/17/2013 1:55:44 PM     (No. 9524764)

Yes, #18, that´s exactly what this piece is about. But, remember, it´s the New Republic and the writer is ecstatic at the thought the GOP would really do this. Schieber knows the outcome.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: jdmii, 9/17/2013 1:58:45 PM     (No. 9524770)

How will we be able to tell?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: tisHimself, 9/17/2013 2:00:21 PM     (No. 9524775)

The RNC Stratergic command hasn´t won a war since Gingrich. They know how to generate negatives, show disdain for conservatives and populists, and deliver primaries for severe conservatives using lots of money and negative ads. Probably not the people who should lead others into political battles.

Protecting the prospects of the next Bush presidential apparatus is not a principle with which to be concerned.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Susannah, 9/17/2013 2:05:07 PM     (No. 9524779)

#6, the Republicans lost seats in the house and didn´t gain any in the senate. I´m not sure that´s doing well.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: dogbreath, 9/17/2013 2:25:15 PM     (No. 9524791)

Democrats, fly a flying leap into a brick wall. Traitors!

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Reply 19 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 9/17/2013 2:43:25 PM     (No. 9524831)

# 1 is obviously not drinking the Limbaugh / Heritage Kool Aid.
Clinton was on the ropes politically
when Gingrich shut down the government.
The backlash helped Clinton regain his footing , win reelection and it cost Republicans 5 House seats.
They also failed to gain seats in the Senate .
Something Cruz described as a just minor blip.
Pelosi is 17 seats away from regaining the Speakership.
Hannity said he doesn´t care if Democrats
regain the House , this dead end tantrum is more important.
DeMint didn´t want to shutdown the government when he was Senator, because he knew it was a fool´s errand.
He´s just using this now to fundraise.
If we ever again get a Republican president ,
a Republican controlled House
and a Republican majority in the Senate and they pass an anti abortion law or a flat tax or
anti illegal immigration law, the next Democrat controlled House can decide to do a Cruz /Tea Party
and shut down the government and demand the law be defunded because " they " don´t like it.
The American people voted for Obamacare twice-in 08 and a mere 10 months ago.
That´s the only poll that matters.
Romney wanted to repeal Obamacare and he was rejected by the majority of Americans.
Ted Cruz and the Tea Party have declared themselves more important than the majority of American voters , however misguided they may have been .
The most logical, commonsense and practical way to hobble Obamacare is in the 2014 and 2016 voting booth.
I think Cruz and the Tea Party actually prefer hobbling the Republican Party.


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Reply 20 - Posted by: Susannah, 9/17/2013 2:53:46 PM     (No. 9524859)

#19, you get a standing ovation.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: StormCnter, 9/17/2013 3:00:19 PM     (No. 9524876)

Amen to #20´s comment.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 9/17/2013 3:13:54 PM     (No. 9524900)

Doing nothing and caving is why we do so well at the ballot box.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: odinsacolyte, 9/17/2013 3:21:43 PM     (No. 9524911)

Meeting once in four years wouldn´t hurt anything.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 9/17/2013 3:43:03 PM     (No. 9524941)

I´ll join in with the Amen chorus. A government "shutdown" - even a fake one - would be politically poisonous for the GOP. The MSM would have a field day: wall to wall coverage featuring an endless parade of GS 13´s bawling about the "hardship" of it all, shrill predictions of schoolchildren dropping dead of starvation, reports of newly homeless elderly rummaging through dumpsters desperately searching for dog food and prescription drugs.

And the public will lap it all up, just as they did in 1995 and the only major opposition party will then be toast. The whys and wherefores and concerns about ObamaCare will be completely buried under the avalanche of BS.






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Reply 25 - Posted by: Kerryman, 9/17/2013 4:23:19 PM     (No. 9525008)

Fund all of government including Obamacare but withhold the Obamacare money until all the special deals are out including delaying for the 50+ employee businesses unless the Individual Mandate is implemented at he same time. Kick the IRS out of enforcing it. Make the conditions things that voters already hate about it and poll in the negative 65% or reater area. Then, the only thing delaying Obamacare would be Dems keeping the things that the people either hate already or are easy to convince to make the Dems cave. That´s how you win a fight, particularly a political one. Make your opponents defend the indefensible.

Semper Fi

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Watlines, 9/17/2013 4:27:23 PM     (No. 9525014)

If it starts the dismantling and destroying of Obamacare, bring it!



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Reply 27 - Posted by: wsdiego, 9/17/2013 4:38:02 PM     (No. 9525039)

I´ve been saving to cover my mortgage payment!

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 9/17/2013 4:46:43 PM     (No. 9525051)

Shut ´er down, Ted !

She´s pumpin´ saltwater.

(Old Texas wildcatter´s caution)

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Reply 29 - Posted by: thatsomewhereplace, 9/17/2013 4:54:48 PM     (No. 9525063)

Jeb, I think I´m going to puke! Thanks! Shut the blasted government down. Go for something that is principled. Not this namby pamby feces thing. The mainstreamed republicans are just as bad as the rabid dems. the mainsteam pubbies whine and cry and whimper. Get some back bone. Shut it down. Refuse to fund 0bamacare. Stand for something PLEASE!

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Reply 30 - Posted by: MissMolly, 9/17/2013 4:58:53 PM     (No. 9525067)

But that is exactly the issue, #29. Shutting down the government does not defund Obamacare. So, why go through all this hysteria when we can defund it in pieces at another time. When we have the votes. Right now, neither John Boehner in the House and certainly not Ted Cruz in the Senate can muster enough votes to wave more than a middle finger with a meaningless tantrum.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: tedinmich, 9/17/2013 7:26:17 PM     (No. 9525259)

Hey Rinos.A recent Rasmussen poll showed a small majority FAVORED defunding oscamacare! And, Warren Buffet also favors s**t canning it and starting over!!

Ted in Michigan

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 9/17/2013 8:16:14 PM     (No. 9525315)

I hear ´´threats´´ of GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN!! as Yay!! Finally!!

I can´t see just letting the entire country fall apart because someone wants to make a point.

DEFUND it... it´s possible, do-able, and it´ll be effective. There was no Fox News in 1995, nor internet like we have now, nor social media. The word that it´s the Senate Democrats and Obama that cause whatever trauma-drama that results from a ´´shutdown´´ WILL get out.

DO. IT.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Angry Dumbo, 9/18/2013 4:58:19 PM     (No. 9526542)

Fine. Don´t vote to defund the ACA. Us wild eyed, ignorant tea partiers will be counting votes. You smarty pants folks can keep the gutless, feckless GOP you so eagerly serve.

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after

Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
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WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

White House asks American parents to
monitor their children for signs of terrorism

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Daily Caller, by Eric Owens    Original Article
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In a speech earlier this week, Lisa O. Monaco, President Barack Obama’s assistant for homeland security and counterterrorism, insisted that American parents must be vigilant because their “confrontational” children could be on the verge of becoming terrorists. Monaco’s full, prepared text is available here. She presented the speech, entitled “Countering Violent Extremism and the Power of Community,” at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government on April 15. Monaco began her remarks by eloquently describing the lives tragically lost last year during the Boston Marathon bombings. Interestingly, the Harvard grad failed to mention the religion or the motive of brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan

Ann Coulter takes up ‘Mitt
Romney for President’ chant again

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
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Conservative columnist Ann Coulter — who used her talk show platform in the last presidential election cycle to campaign hard for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney — has taken up the mantra once again, calling on Republicans to give the failed White House bidder another shot in 2016. She made the suggestion during a discussion on Sean Hannity’s radio show while speaking of her new book, “Never Trust a Liberal Over 3-Especially a Republican.” Ms. Coulter also addressed the question of Mr. Romney’s shortcomings by saying that his 2012 loss wasn’t entirely his fault. “I think too much blame, not only in this

You lie! Reporters accuse Obama
of deception, demagoguery just
to get attention

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/18/2014 9:28:24 PM     Post Reply
Prominent Washington correspondents are accusing President Obama and his aides of knowingly stretching the truth on issues like the so-called women´s pay gap just to create controversy and keep issues -- and the president -- relevant. Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus kicked off the attack last week when she blasted as “demagoguery” the administration´s tactics during the pay gap debate. “The level of hyperbole -- actually, of demagoguery -- that Democrats have engaged in here is revolting,” she wrote. CBS White House Correspondent Major Garrett then weighed in this week in his National Journal


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