The one thing that unites most of the horrific mass shooting events of late — Tucson, Aurora, Newtown, Virginia Tech and now the Washington Naval Yards – is that they were all perpetrated by people with serious histories of mental illness (and not rightwingers incited by Sarah Palin’s Facebook map or Michelle Bachmann’s rhetoric). If you believe no one should have a gun, then I guess they all had that in common, too. But that argument is largely settled in this country. Law abiding people get to own guns. They may need to jump through more hoops or less depending on
Yes indeed! It should be standard practice for the mental health records of every suicide or murder-suicide to be examinined by an independent body, and who should produce a comprehensive report. This is done after every aircraft accident.
Psychiatrists want to hide their involvement (and their incompetence) whenever things turn out badly for their patients. They shouldn´t. We can´t improve the psychiatric care of dangerous nutters unless we have can examine a collection of forensic psychiatry records.
We must set aside the stigma of mental illness and take a good look at recent policy. In addition to drastic reduction in involuntary commitment, polices like lowering the legal age to 18 - frustrating parental authority in this critical age group - have complicated handling of drug related illness. People with mental issues, including addiction, are not properly treated, and neither they nor society are protected. Perhaps if we called it "emotional distress" ...
Another commonality he failed to mention; once again, this shooting occurred in a gun free zone (and city, for that matter). Allow people to protect themselves. Of course we never read about the times a nutcase is stopped by an armed citizen.
Time and time again, we see that so many of these people were seriously disturbed and were noticed by professionals to have these disturbances. Most mental health issues aren´t related at all to violence. OTOH, paranoid schizophrenia, is. This latest shooter had resentments, paranoia,anger issues was hearing voices, and had multiple prior bad incidents that were serious enough for police arrests. The theater shooter was asked to leave his graduate program because of these types of concerns and his psychiatrist knew he was getting worse. Jared Loughner was asked to leave his community college because of these same concerms. There really should be a way where family members, employers, or medical personnel could report such a thing. TO make it fair, there could be a hearing. But right now, family members often live in fear, the paranoid schizophrenic is not only a risk to others but even more to himself or herself and letting wander the streets is not a humane policy nor a good safety policy.
We would have to disqualify most folks from everything. There is no such thing as a sane human being. How about mental retardation and politics? I see a close link to public service and mental ability.
Those of us with knowledge of the mental health system often try to talk about it. However, few want to listen...until a day after the next mass killing, and then we go back into our slumber.
HIPAA severely limits the ability of mental health professionals to discuss situations with either family or the police. Insurance companies do not permit inpatient admission unless the patient is an imminent danger to himself or to others. Every time mental health advocates try to speak up about the restrictive guidelines, another advocate pops up to claim that the vast majority of people with mental illness are not violent. And that is true. However, the vast majority of people (1) with a serious mental illness - schizophrenia, schizoaffective, bipolar or major depression and (2) evidence of active psychosis or paranoioa are big risks.
Talk about rights...the rights of the victims, the rights of their families, the rights of their co-workers. I am tired of hearing about the rights of those with serious mental illness to remain psychotic.
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Old Army Vet, 9/17/2013 9:30:06 PM (No. 9525394)
Thirty years ago my brother-in-law and I had an argument about this very question. I pointed out that it is the sick mind that committed the crime, not the inanimate object. He thought that it was to easy to get a gun. He has since come to realize that I was right. I am not casting aspersions on my brother-in-law. I am glad that he saw the light, so to speak, he is a Pastor. He is also thinking of getting a gun himself. Point being, liberals always blame inanimate objects, not the person. It´s the same with crime. They blame society instead of the person that commits the crime.
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