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Republicans introduce plan to
stop Obamacare without
shutting down government

Daily Caller, by Patrick Howley

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Posted By:StormCnter, 9/13/2013 5:51:50 AM

Republican Rep. Tom Graves and 42 House cosponsors introduced a budget plan Thursday to defund Obamacare without forcing a government shutdown, placing pressure solely on the shoulders of Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Graves’ Security, Stability, and Fairness Resolution is a continuing resolution budget bill that offers a fiscal year 2014 budget that keeps the government open but does not fund Obamacare. The Obama administration has already delayed the law’s employer mandate until 2015, after the 2014 midterm elections. The “Defund Obamacare” campaign spearheaded by Republican Sen. Ted Cruz has repeatedly been accused of seeking a government shutdown if

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: miceal, 9/13/2013 6:25:31 AM     (No. 9518864)

Of course the major media will line up behild the "rats" and declare it is the evil TEA Party extremists who are shutting down the Government. I hope this works because Obamacare is a trainwreck headed for all of us....

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Spidey, 9/13/2013 6:38:25 AM     (No. 9518873)

Hate to sayit but I don´t think defunding Obamacare will work because 90% of the spending is mandatory.So only % is exposed to be defunded.I think this is really a plan to showhow against Obamacare republicans are.

I´ve been saying for 2 years,the only fool proof way to get rid of Obamacare is make liberals pay their fair share. The unions in an uproar demonstrates this as does congressional staffers whining about it.

Two ways you can do this is by making exceptions illegal or have a 5% national sales tax to fund it.You can´t have a law where all liberals are carved out through one definition or another. I heard at one time you´re exempted if you´ve been a victim of historical oppression.Let´s guess who that excludes.

I haven´´t heard a single minority group complain about Obamacare,that ought to tell you something.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Deedo, 9/13/2013 7:01:37 AM     (No. 9518891)

Left unchecked, all left-wing supporters and organizations would be exempted from Obamacare and only conservatives would have to suffer / pay for it. Nice people, the Left.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: StormCnter, 9/13/2013 7:05:49 AM     (No. 9518896)

Defeating Obamacare by defunding in this way and in this session was never a realistic hope. But, I´m with Krauthammer, there are other ways to get it done. This is one of them. The thing will collapse upon itself when ordinary folks discover the personal financial impact.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Rinktum, 9/13/2013 7:32:35 AM     (No. 9518932)

Get rid of ALL the exemptions. Either we are all in or no one is in. If that is done, it is the end of Obamacare.

At the same time, we must offer a solution to the out of control cost of health care. Tort reform and treating health insurance more like auto insurance would be a huge savings. Get the bureaucrats out of health care. Make is more patient/doctor oriented. Put together something and roll it out in a big PR splash. Give it a snappy name make it easily understood. We have to offer a viable solution now.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Really?, 9/13/2013 7:40:59 AM     (No. 9518946)

If this Bill fails, then the next Bill should be to eliminate the exceptions.

Democrats are ALWAYS talking about "loopholes for fat cats" so I would use that exact language. Close the loopholes. If this legislation is good, then all should be covered by it.

If you threaten to take those away, the exempted parties will support the defunding.



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Reply 7 - Posted by: BirdsNest, 9/13/2013 7:50:49 AM     (No. 9518963)

It is not affordable if rates are skyrocketing over 2500% and you have to pay cash money to the doctor you want to see($2000 for one person to see her actual doctor for a year) otherwise you see a PA or NP. In an economy where folks are scraping by to survive one month to the next, this expense is just crippling.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Grambo, 9/13/2013 7:53:26 AM     (No. 9518968)

There´s an easier way than defunding Obamacare. Simply void all exemptions from it.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: shalimar, 9/13/2013 8:10:37 AM     (No. 9518992)

I still think the Oklahoma lawsuit has a decent chance of knocking out Obamacare in any state that refused to set up its own exchange. The law is clear that the subsidies and employer mandate were intended only for those in states with an exchange. Congress thought this would make states jump at the chance to set up their own. It didn´t, and the plan now is to illegally provide subsidies and enforce the mandate in states without their own exchange. I´m admittedly cynical about the courts, but just not sure they are going to let the admin get away with its illegal plan.



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Reply 10 - Posted by: enuf8, 9/13/2013 8:10:51 AM     (No. 9518993)

Talking about the waivers of obamacare----everyong forgets the muslims also have this waiver. Now the unions are working on their waivers.
DEFUND it - There is not one of the government entities capable of handling it---they say the software is not ready.
It´s a Train Wreck due to happen for certain--stop the Train!

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Reply 11 - Posted by: indccc, 9/13/2013 8:12:23 AM     (No. 9518995)

The Dems haven´t put forward a budget in 5 years. Why do the Republicans keep letting them get away with the Continuing Resolutions? They are breaking the law by not having a Budget. Shut it down until the Dems comply with the law then defund Obamacare in the Budget.


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Reply 12 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 9/13/2013 8:14:24 AM     (No. 9518998)

FTA: “It’s up to Harry Reid at this point. If the House passes it, the only thing standing in the way of funding the government is Harry Reid."
It should read ´If it gets past Boehner and Cantor...´




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Reply 13 - Posted by: Nan, 9/13/2013 8:15:35 AM     (No. 9519001)

Sounds good but will take it with a grain of salt until it actually happens.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: Packard 5682, 9/13/2013 8:32:44 AM     (No. 9519032)

We need to pressure Bonehead Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy and the Rules Committee to make a rule regarding Obamacare that removes the mandatory spending. Those who argue that we can´t defund Obamacare because the spending is mandatory ignore the fact that the Rules Committee made it that way. If they can put it in, they can take it out. The argument that they can´t defund Obamacare is put over the the Gutless Old Part Establishment that has sold out to the Statists. People, we´ve got to turn up the heat on Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy. Long term, this is more serious than Syria.
You can contact Bonehead Boehner here:
speaker.gov

Bonehead Boehner came to Congress rebelling against the Establishment. Now he IS the Establishment. He needs to go! Crank up the heat, L-Dotters!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: oh-heck, 9/13/2013 8:40:58 AM     (No. 9519044)

Implement the entire law as written on time. If the government is not ready, delay the entire law for a year. If the President tries to implement portions of the law, for example the spending part, the House acting on their Constitutional Authority, should withhold the funds. If Democrats want funds, they should demand the President implement the entire law.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: OhMy, 9/13/2013 8:41:31 AM     (No. 9519045)

This is a good start. When ( not if ) Harry Reid and the Rats reject it and make their scary move to shut down the government the GOP should pass another bill defunding enough three letter agencies ( EPA, IRS, NSA, NEA, etc ) along with Obamacare, to bring spending down in line with current income thus balancing the budget. When the rats howl extremist just point out that you tried the moderate approach of defunding only Obamacare but it was rejected. This is a stand the republicans could win if only they would fight and enunciate the reasons for these policies. It is long past time we have some leadership to oppose Obama´s destructive policies. I don´t believe we can win the blame game after the collapse the policies bring unless we learn to enunciated the reasons and have made the case before the collapse.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: maryc, 9/13/2013 8:52:58 AM     (No. 9519058)

misery loves company. I agree. No exceptions. Particularly nancy and her whole family, harry and his whole family and obama and his whole family including those that should already have been deported. This freight train of death and misery has left the station and the left will be happy about destroying another superior American system. They won´t be completely happy until everyone, except themselves, are sick and miserable and begging for help that will never come.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 9/13/2013 9:00:46 AM     (No. 9519074)

Don´t you just love it when a new Congressman actually carries through with the action he promised in his campaign, and does not shrink back when Dems and RINOs call him a tea parties insurrectionist?!!!

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Reply 19 - Posted by: allsogreat, 9/13/2013 9:39:08 AM     (No. 9519157)

Now No. 5, how dare you propose something that makes sense. You´ve gotta know the lefties will oppose it for that reason along. And it´s obviously to complex for the GOP to understand......

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Arby, 9/13/2013 9:42:31 AM     (No. 9519161)

Whatever it takes: dump this monstrosity. Removing all exemptions would be a good idea.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: terry_tr6, 9/13/2013 9:50:20 AM     (No. 9519184)

"mandatory" spending is only mandatory because congress said it was. Anything passed into law can be undone. No congress is bound by the actions of a previous congress. This is the greatest argument against social security as opposed to private retirement plans. Any future congress can do with it as they wish, as evidenced by previous congresses.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 9/13/2013 9:52:33 AM     (No. 9519189)

I´m starting to embrace my inner Muslim.

The Pope says we can still get into Heaven without the help of all the saints and angels and the baby Jesus.

Barky says we can get an exemption by claiming to be Muslim.

So what´s a recovering Catholic to do ???

Obamadon´tcare should be called the:"We´re all Muslims now Act".

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Reply 23 - Posted by: gwmcclintok, 9/13/2013 10:08:49 AM     (No. 9519214)

#2 you are for the following reasons.
The Antideficiency Act ´requires´ the government to only spend money on functions that are necessary to preserve property and human life, and makes it illegal for federal employees to spend money that has not been appropriated.
Also, 90 percent of the law has not been implemented. So, it can be defunded.
A legal expert and former Justice Department counsel Hans von Spakvosky of the Heritage Foundation writes: The bill offered by Lee and Cruz may might not stop all of the funding for all of the provisions in ObamaCare, but it will stop just about everything.
"Mandatory spending is stuff for entitlements, Social Security, things like that. “But that ignores the fact that the Hyde Amendment, which has been attached every year to discretionary budget spending, has been used for 40 years to prevent funding by Medicaid for abortions.”

Therefore the Hyde Amendment is a “great example” of how to use the bill to accomplish that.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: gwmcclintok, 9/13/2013 10:09:57 AM     (No. 9519215)

#2 I mean you are wrong, and are among the critics of defunding.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: peterfleming, 9/13/2013 10:20:05 AM     (No. 9519233)

Obamacide is a murderous law anonymously written to control, kill, maim, destroy the lives of American citizens, and to exempt Muslims, unions, government bureaucrats, and all the criminals in Congress who allowed this killer bill to pass: Boner, Cantor, Issa, McCarthy, Paul, Reid, Puglosi, Boxer, Feinstein. Every one of them you see smiling on television is responsible for this madness, this insanity.



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Reply 26 - Posted by: chicodon, 9/13/2013 10:24:55 AM     (No. 9519239)

Good luck with that. I hate to say it but the New Deal and Great Society simply set the stage. Americans said nothing and government grew. Obamacare is just the final cog in the wheel.

We are nearing the Marxist utopia where 50% of the country will support an all powerful federal government so they can support the other 50%... essentially the Eloi of H. G. Wells. The end result is that 50% will toil in a lingering malaise to support the debauchery and hedonism of the rest. Wonderful.

The only thing that could save this country would be to do a complete 180... and we know what that would mean. Sorry for such a depressing opinion.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Mickturn, 9/13/2013 10:29:59 AM     (No. 9519250)

Exemptions are blatantly unconstutional under the 5th and 14th amendments!

No law can be selectively applied!

Take this and shove it down Dims throats.


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Reply 28 - Posted by: Butch59, 9/13/2013 11:19:52 AM     (No. 9519341)

One thing that stands out about defunding Obozocare is the simple fact that far too many congress critters, of both parties, take the attitude that once anything is passed into law, they must work togather to insure that it does what it was intended to do. Too many Republicans in the House have this attitude and simply have no inclination to go to battle with te opposition party. They don´t believe that that is their job. Just like John McCain, they are supposed to "get along with their friends across the isle". And so the American public and taxpayers suffer. But rest assured that THEY will not suffer. They get to grant themselves to be above the law. It´s time for a complete cleaning of the swamp of corruption that is Washington DC. There are a very few that should be retained, but they could be re-elected once the swamp is cleaned and all the problems are solved.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: bigbird, 9/13/2013 12:00:22 PM     (No. 9519394)

If it cannot be repealed now, then the Republicans need to take a stand and tell the President that congress will fund Obamacare in a C.R. only if the administration agrees to immediately cancel all exemptions (ie: big business, congress, unions, etc). Let this mess apply to everyone equally and then, only then, will it be funded. Republicans would stand on principal and if Obama doesn´t agree to that, he needs to defend himself or he will be responsible for the government shutdown.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 9/13/2013 12:06:30 PM     (No. 9519400)

An official in the AFL/CIO has just said that Obamacare must be either fixed or repealed.

It can´t be fixed.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: abuela10, 9/13/2013 1:04:52 PM     (No. 9519470)

Sneaky Boehner and Cantor will look like they mean to defund, get a CR passed in House to defund but the clerk will add in the funding. This can only be done with House leadership´s approval

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Reply 32 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 9/13/2013 1:20:15 PM     (No. 9519484)

# 4 Amen.
Paul Ryan has some interesting ideas on the debt ceiling negotiations to delay Obamacare , which could possibly be sold to Democrats .
The most logical and commonsense approach is to convince enough Democrats to delay implementation.
Shutting down the government is moronic
and to what end ?
Democrats all voted for Obamacare , it´s the law and it has been upheld by the USSC.
Because the Republicans don´t like it , Democrats are supposed to jettison Obama´s signature legislation ?
Does anyone seriously think Harry Reid and the rest of the 55 Senate Democrats ,
plus Barack Obama are going to say ,
" Gee, the government is shut down, Republicans are getting hammered , let´s help them out and agree to defund Obamacare ? "
I know DeMint tells his followers that Obama will sign a bill defunding Obamacare , but, he´s lying to them just to get contributions.
Hannity said yesterday that if the Republicans lose the House because they shut down the government ,
it would fine with him because
this is the hill to die on.
DeMint must be paying him a fortune
to spout garbage like that .
The Senate can amend and add back funding for Obamacare and return it to the House.
The House Republicans will always be left
holding the bag .
Obama is on the ropes because of Syria , but , it looks like the far right is about to snatch defeat
from the jaws of victory with this defunding stunt.
Delay is the way .

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Reply 33 - Posted by: rc1776, 9/13/2013 1:50:04 PM     (No. 9519520)

Assuming that the house will not fund das FDR&DS(fascist disaster regime & death squads) and that is a stretch.
What would be the downside of shutting down the MF&FCR as well?
MF&FCR
(malignant feral & fascist caliphate regime)

Observation: The MF&FCR can not do anything right then the best we can hope for is that the caliphate regime mob do nothing.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: strike3, 9/13/2013 1:53:06 PM     (No. 9519523)

Shutting down the government would be just a bonus.

After all, they are the ones who brought us this clustercluck called obamacare.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Rafter, 9/13/2013 6:00:35 PM     (No. 9519786)

This House "Death Panel" should kill ObamaKommieKare... ASAP!

Looking forward to some good news like this.
GOP needs to make it happen.
It can be done.

Yes, we can-not afford the Unaffordable KommieKare Act from O-Bomber The NO-Bomber.
Defund it now... it can´t be defended.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: gone2pot, 9/13/2013 6:45:38 PM     (No. 9519844)

Here´s some more fun facts; housing sales going up but housing prices going down or flat? The Blackstone´s et al are buying houses with cash to rent them and guess where some of the cash for foreclosure, short sales, etc is coming from?...money launderers. Yep, ZeroHedge exposed that a few days ago. Ain´t that great? How in the world are all the people falling out of the work force eating and paying for stuff? States are helping to place people off welfare and onto federal disability because states don´t have to pay federal disability. Yeah, one county in Alabama has 1 in 4 people on federal disability and ONE doctor who signed ALL their disability forms. That, thanks to the Clinton/GOP "ending welfare as we know it." Sure did. In the law it´s ILLEGAL to investigate fraud plus there´s no provision for it in the law. So now you know how so many unemployed are making it. Thank you Mish and ZH for that tidbit. There´s now a lobbying group of real economists who took all the fed debt numbers and figured out how much debt we really have. It ain´t 17 trillion. Right this very second and not including unfunded mandates, our debt is 200 trillion. It´s over, kids. There´s no coming back. Obamacare is merely icing. This is what lawlessness looks like.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: bob913, 9/13/2013 7:27:09 PM     (No. 9519878)

You need to include getting rid of Boehner to succeed.

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Posted By: StormCnter- 4/15/2014 5:22:51 AM     Post Reply
Neurosurgeon Ben Carson says the White House wanted him to apologize for “offending” President Obama after he famously delivered a conservative message at the National Prayer Breakfast last year. Carson, the former director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital, recalls the events surrounding his 2013 speech in his new book, One Nation: What We Can All Do To Save America’s Future. The Daily Caller obtained an advance copy of the book, which is set for release May 20. “He did not appear to be hostile or angry,” Carson writes of Obama, “but within a matter of minutes after the conclusion of

Why You Should Be Sympathetic
Toward Cliven Bundy

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Powerline, by John Hinderaker    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo- 4/15/2014 8:40:58 AM     Post Reply
On Saturday, I wrote about the standoff at Bundy Ranch. That post drew a remarkable amount of traffic, even though, as I wrote then, I had not quite decided what to make of the story. Since then, I have continued to study the facts and have drawn some conclusions. Here they are. First, it must be admitted that legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on. The Bureau of Land Management has been charging him grazing fees since the early 1990s, which he has refused to pay. Further, BLM has issued orders limiting the area on which Bundy’s cows can

Obama Generation Losing
Interest in Obama

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Wall Street Journal, by James Freeman    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 4:23:09 PM     Post Reply
President Obama inspired a generation of young people to support his historic election in 2008. And in 2012, despite the struggles of his first term, Mr. Obama still managed to win the support of a full 60% of voters age 18-29. But the man who once dreamed of being a transformative leader in the Reagan mold is inspiring few of those young people to follow his lead. "For all the talk about the movement that elected Mr. Obama, the more notable movement of Obama supporters has been away from politics. It appears that few of the young people who voted

Chelsea Clinton no longer
ruling out politics

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The Hill (Washington DC), by Judy Katz    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 11:57:36 AM     Post Reply
Chelsea Clinton says when people ask her these days whether she wants to go into politics, her answer isn’t an automatic “no.” The 34-year-old former first daughter told Fast Company in an interview published Monday, “for so long the answer was just a visceral no. Not because I had made any conscientious, deliberate decision, but since people had been asking for as long as literally I could remember, it was no." Now, the only child of former President Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton explains, "I live in a city and a state and a country where I

Glaring limits of the Civil Rights
Act: We need to redistribute wealth

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Salon Magazine, by Matt Bruenig    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/14/2014 7:20:41 PM     Post Reply
Although the Civil Rights Act, the landmark legislation which just reached its 50th anniversary, made great strides in desegregating the economy, economic discrimination is still widespread, and anti-discrimination legislation alone can never rectify the economic damage inflicted upon blacks by slavery and our Jim Crow apartheid regime. The Civil Rights Act was a mild reform, all things considered, but one conservatives fought with vigor and one many conservatives are still bitter about to this day. When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, the primary purpose was to root out discrimination in public accommodations (like hotels and movie theaters)

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

White is not right: Campus admins ask
for help weeding out white people

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Daily Caller, by Robby Soave    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 7:47:18 PM     Post Reply
Western Washington University sent a questionnaire to students asking them for advice on how the administration could succeed at making sure that in future years, “we are not as white as we are today.” The question notes that WWU’s racial make up does not perfectly reflect the nation at large, and asks students to consider strategies that other universities have used to focus on skin color as the paramount indicator of a student-applicant’s worth. The president of WWU has stated that his explicit goal is to reduce the white population on campus, according to Campus Reform. “I’ve said before and I’ll say it

If a nuclear bomb exploded in downtown
Washington, what should you do?

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The Week, by Marc Ambinder    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Megyn Kelly and the
Sandberg Head Shaker

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American Thinker, by Richard F. Miniter    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/15/2014 9:16:05 AM     Post Reply
Megyn Kelly’s "Kelly File" is a great news show. She’s incisive, informed and customarily handles the toughest guest with aplomb. But her lengthy interview of Facebook C.O.O. Sheryl Sandberg about her second book in the Lean In series Lean In: For Graduates was a head shaker. Amazing that she of all people allowed Sandberg to restring the same old, same old, shamed, and shopworn feminist myths about women and girls and then jangle it in front of her viewing audience like something new out of the box. Indeed Kelly all but genuflected in front of this woman. Kept her on thru

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast

Obama Selects First Openly Gay
Episcopal Bishop to Lead Easter Prayer

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Mediaite, by Andrew Kirell    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 12:46:05 PM     Post Reply
President Obama pulled a surprise move Monday at the White House’s Easter Prayer Breakfast when he selected Gene Robinson to lead the closing prayer. Robinson is famously known as the first openly gay Episcopal bishop. Talking Points Memo’s Tom Kludt spotted the following tweet from Robinson, who was in attendance: (Tweet) Robinson, 66, became diocesan bishop of New Hampshire in March 2004. He retired in January 2013 and is currently a senior fellow at the progressive

Developing: Russian fighter jet buzzes
U.S. Navy destroyer in Black Sea

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Associated Press, by Lolita C. Baldor    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 12:49:12 PM     Post Reply
A Russian fighter jet made multiple, close-range passes near an American warship in the Black Sea for more than 90 minutes Saturday amid escalating tensions in the region, a U.S. military official said Monday. In the first public account of the incident, the official said the Russian Fencer flew within 1,000 yards of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet above sea level. Ship commanders considered the actions provocative and inconsistent with international agreements, prompting the ship to issue several radio queries and warnings. The fighter appeared to be unarmed and never was in danger of


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