Obama´s shocking case for attacking Syria: Gruesome series of videos taken in aftermath of gas attacks that White House is using in closed-door briefings to persuade lawmakers to back US strikes Daily Mail (UK), by Staff
President Barack Obama has been showing an officially-verified collection of 13 graphic videos to lawmakers that depict the horrors of the chemical gas attacks in Syria in behind-closed-door briefings - as he lobbies to win approval for his plan to use military force against the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. So far, support for the president´s plan has been sparse, with even fellow Democrats opposing the use of military force in Syria. He is preparing a media blitz for Monday and promised Americans in his weekly address on Saturday that ´This would not be another Iraq or Afghanistan.´ CNN first
The issue isn´t that something shocking and gruesome happened in Syria. The issue is: what can the U.S. do? Clearly the U.S. cannot change what happened, as much as we might like to. The next question would be: can we stop it from happening again? Interesting question, not at all clear, given that there is evidence that both sides in this civil war have such weapons and have no moral compunction against using them.
Seems to me a better strategy would be to totally isolate them. Help open refugee camps on the borders for those trying to escape their idiocy, and then blockade them by land, sea and air. Offer assistance to countries who border Syria to help keep the scourge within Syria.
Hmm, reminds me of the scene in 1984 where the sheeple are watching a movie in the theater about the war with Oceania, showing piles of their dead to get them all riled up and support Big Brother, who truly loves them. Or the propaganda films of so called Polish atrocities used by Hitler to justify his invasion of Poland 74 years ago this month.
Sorry, color me skeptical. I watched the video at the linked govt site and I am not convinced. I am an RN who used to work the ER at a very busy trauma center. I have had my share of dead people. Some of the "dead" bodies didn´t ring true to me. Same with the "convulsing" people. And I thought sarin gas caused vomiting/defecation? All "victims" looked very clean. It would take way more than this to convince me that the US should get involved.
"Anecdotes are the great enemy of of logic". This is why the ´Rat pukes like to use anecdotes. Recall all the asinine anecdotes that were used to "convince" legislators that the government should take over health care? Especially by the pathetic Pelosi.
Why can´t that loser in the White get a rational argument assembled for his war? That is a rhetorical question. We all know he and his gang have no rationality. Everything for him is personal, and mostly driven by who he hates or what he feels. The mindless statists and the DNC media goofs have no real concern for people, they just want to advance their control.
We all know he loves the Brotherhood because they share his bigotry. But what possible outcome is he pursuing that would be a benefit to America? Again, a rhetorical question.
Who took the videos. What did our intelligence verify, that the videos are videos. In it´s last report on Syrian war crimes the UN said to forget the chemical weapons attacks that had occurred to that point. Their are regular atrocities committed by both sides as bad or worse. Syria has devolved into hell on earth. A few American bombs won´t change that.
Where are the videos of Muslims in Africa burning Christian Churches full of worshipers? Those trying to escape are hacked to death by machetes. How often has that happened with not a word from the administration? How about the persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt? The beheading of the priest and his assistants? Obama has selective outrage.
The Russians pretty well proved the rebels have and had chemical weapons (sarin gas). We know Assad has them. Obama has not proved who did this. So who did it? Only the rebels benefit from it so they have to be most suspect. We should not enter this war on the side of the rebels until we know Assad did it.
If the evidence is so irrefutable, then why isn´t Assad and company on trial for war crimes? Try these war criminals in absentia at the Hague, rather than lobbing a few meaningless (but very expensive) Tomahawk missles. Perhaps we might even get more of our European allies on board with this alternative. A trial at the Hague would hold Assad just as accountable, be less prejudicial in the civil war, and would carry far less risk of escalation into a wider war.
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Obama and his Administration lied about Benghazi. They have NO credibility. Let the Syrians sort out Syria. Assad protects the Christians- Obama has failed to protect Christians in the Sudan, Egypt, Nigeria, etc. Will Obama stand by when his AQ rebels slaughter the Christians? Impeach Obama.
Made by the Masters of Deceit, Marxists. Glenn Beck fell for the rebel eating the heart of a Syrian soldier to whip up his masses and the truth is elusive in the Muzzie and Russian propaganda war.
PC has lost folks and the only way to stop the madness if for the GOP to win Congress through the people.
Tea party Patriots a real force for helping save the nation if they leave their social issues and Jesus First pins on the back burner. Dog whistle it to the base not as Bachman and Akin did and knock themselves out of the race. The Masters of deceit know exactly how the nation feels about anything. And they will use it "the children of darkness being wiser in the ways of the world than the children of light".
Marx invented the discipline of sociology which led to Alinsky and mind manipulation, people-movers and -controllers and the awful state we are in--they used our goodness to do it-they used our sense of fair play to do it. They know us, we do not know them but we can. We can turn off the TV, toss out the print media and opinion magazines and take a crash course in how to sort out the truth. prayer is a big one, fasting and praying as the Pope ordered/suggested.
The Art of War super/warrior won by knowing his enemies and never doing the predictable. We could do the same. Read Aldous Huxley´s "Brave New World, revisited"...probably on-line free. Going back to the source provides opportunity for insights that opinion pieces of it sliced and diced and served up with the opinion of others.
Huxley predicted the Brave New World (Order) and thought it would take 500 years. It has taken less than one hundred. Time speeding up?
1. Didn´t Stinky do the same after the sicko Muslim brothers bombed the Boston Marathon? Showing raw video of the ragged bloody limb-stumps, the surgeries and their aftermaths, the follow-on surgeries, the half-healed limb-stumps when he was gathering support for giving the Muslim world that good, long, well-past-due harsh trip behind civilization´s woodshed he administered? /s [do I really have to say that?]
2. Let´s not forget Step 1 and Step 2 in the huff-and-puff over Who-Shot-John: 1. Find out what it´s really about [Obama in trouble? Russia´s gas line?]; and 2. what really is in our power to do and control [especially follow-on events]? Assuming what others will do "after" presumes perfect knowledge of their values and their [rational] thinking. "Who did it" presumes we must do "something."
#7: Stinky doesn´t "condone" abortion. He celebrates it, and passed a law to extend it to born-alive babies.
#12: Stinky couldn´t get a rational argument for any of his policies or positions even if there was a place to rent them.
#17: Indeed! And Stinky´s "selective"" outrage is also phony.
#21: Not to mention that his manipulate-the-emotions approach: a. disparages the intelligence of the Senators and Representatives [well, as if they really have any]; and b. certainly does not lead to sober consideration of consequences or even whether we can accomplish anything Stinky says we will.
so obama has a minimum number of people who are gassed to elicit a tomahawk strike? what about the first 500 people months ago? and, after the strike, then what happens: chaos, deepening of positions, lawlessness and america is really the bad guy (to the middle east) and for what?
One hopes the photo shopping on these pictures is better that what they did on his so called Birth Certificate. I really don´t think they are that clever, so I hope they don´t stamp ´Forged in the USA´ on them again. It is embarrassing.
When will a politician have the guts to stand up and ask, "Mr. President, have you no shame? Are you at last become so low and devoid of moral turpitude that you must resort to this? Shame on you! Shame, shame, shame on you!"
First: I think Sarin was used and it is likely that the Assad regime did it.
Second: I do believe it is clearly a war crime of the sort that used to get people hanged. I would be delighted if the person who gave the order and those who carried it out ended up like Saddam.
Third: I think the civilized world would be unwise to merely wink at letting this genie out of the bottle. I nerve agent use comes without consequences, then what about biological agents? Radiation-based weapons like a dirty bomb? Or, a full nuclear blast?
That said, I am not sure what the goal is here or why tearing up some airport runways somehow balances the great scale of justice for such an atrocity.
Is the goal to downfall of the Assad regime? If so, do we care who replaces them and gains access to the chemical weapon stocks? Or, is it to somehow teach the Assad regime a lesson while they stay in power?
What is our plan if things escalate, for example via an attack on Israel or a terrorist retaliation on our embassies? Are we ready for a civil war on one country (with both factions reprehensible) to spread into a wider regional shooting war where we have an ally to defend?
If this is critical to protect this region, then where are the other Arab nations? Why doesn´t them jump in to punish Assad? This is creating a massive refugee problem in their back yards, yet they seem curiously disinterested in doing anything about it directly.
This look like improv at the club on open mike night, not a sober foreign policy discussion.
Syria, a sovereign nation, did not sign the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1996. The present conflict affects only Syrians. This conflict is not an international dispute; it´s a civil war initiated by insurgents and fought entirely in Syria.
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