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Catholic priests to advocate for immigration
reform during Sunday services

Jersey Journal [Jersey City, NJ], by Rev. Alexander Santora

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Posted By:Ribicon, 9/5/2013 12:34:53 PM

I arrived at the parking lot in Manasquan around 7:25 last Friday morning to find perhaps a dozen men scattered around the edges of the lot. Within moments, a commuter bus pulled up across the street and twice as many mostly Hispanic men -- predominantly Mexican -- disembarked and joined their confreres. (Snip) The plight of the some 11 million undocumented in the U.S. has prompted the U.S. Catholic Bishops to mount a campaign for immigration reform this Sunday. Building on their long tradition of supporting and protecting immigrants, large Catholic dioceses like New York and Los Angeles -- meccas

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Sounds like just the thing to encourage more traditional conservatives out the door. Those remaining might brush up on their Spanish, so as to understand services in years to come.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: dirtydave, 9/5/2013 12:38:53 PM     (No. 9506977)

And they wonder why mass attendance is dropping.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: udanja99, 9/5/2013 12:39:59 PM     (No. 9506982)

If they do this at our parish, we´ll get up and walk out.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Historybuff, 9/5/2013 12:41:27 PM     (No. 9506984)

How many will the Vatican be taking in?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Judith, 9/5/2013 12:58:02 PM     (No. 9507018)

When I saw that, I thought to myself....good thing I´m not a Catholic anymore....followed by good thing I´m not a republican anymore, either.
I´m in my sixties and I don´t know what I am anymore. Just what I´m not.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Cavallodifiero, 9/5/2013 1:08:46 PM     (No. 9507031)

For every little thing that can be done to destroy the Church or religion of any Christian denomination is done, up to and including prayer at football games, and always under the "separation of state and church" BUT let the church advocate for something the socialists want, and then on that, there are no restrictions. If it comes to my Church I too will walk out!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Coy860, 9/5/2013 1:09:02 PM     (No. 9507032)

If these priests are Americans, I say shame on them! In 10 years will they take up the cause for their fellow legal citizens who are now in abject poverty because illegals have stolen their resources (fruits of their labor) and the citizens can no longer afford the taxes to support the illegals and their families?
The sooner "social justice" winds up in the trash can, the better we will all be.
I could no longer in good conscience put even a nickle in the collection basket.
I hope the Vatican has a plan for paying for all the needs of illegals, because I am NOT. The priests are about to step on Ceasar´s toes.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 9/5/2013 1:11:29 PM     (No. 9507035)

A mi tampoco !

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Peaches, 9/5/2013 1:22:30 PM     (No. 9507054)

Better not try this in my parish, or I know a certain priest who will get an earful from me!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: The Architect, 9/5/2013 1:35:43 PM     (No. 9507070)

When you give to the less fortunate because you want to, its called charity. When the government takes your money and gives it to someone for what they consider to be a worthy charity, its called confiscation. Ergo, the Church would be supporting theft.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 9/5/2013 1:36:36 PM     (No. 9507072)

Is the "church" going to pay for all the "free" benefits that the illegal immigrants will require? These people are undocumented because they are in the U>S> illegally. Legal immigrants are a benefit TO society, whereas most illegal immigrants require benefits FROM
society. These churches forget the U>S> has LAWS that cover immigration into the U>S> In most cases, it is not a "plight" because these people can simply go back to their homeland, and in many case, back to their families. The U>S. can no longer support its own citizens, much less take in others from foreign Countries, who cannot support themselves. Take a look at the requirements to emigrate to Australia, a free, democratic society. They are protecting their citizens, not putting them at risk from a massive influx of people who will drain their coffers.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: WilliamTell, 9/5/2013 1:38:15 PM     (No. 9507076)

Those that leave will leave with their money, those that come will have none. So who is left to support the legal poor?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Kingbubo, 9/5/2013 1:42:59 PM     (No. 9507081)

They are looking out for their own interests. Who is the growing segment of RC´s, hispanic immigrants.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: globalwarmer, 9/5/2013 2:08:13 PM     (No. 9507118)

So the Lord says it´s OK to break the Law? These guys are charlatans, don´t listen to them.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: ohyababy, 9/5/2013 2:19:07 PM     (No. 9507132)

Just the catholic church trying to refill the pews and collection plates after the mass exodus of the last few decades and the continuing sex abuse scandals which have drained their coffers. Plus, most illegal immigrants come from largely catholic countries in Central and South Americas and swallow whole anything priests and the church tell them to believe and do.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: bighambone, 9/5/2013 2:24:43 PM     (No. 9507142)

Remember the Catholic Church considers itself to be the universal church, in that respect they could care less about worldly nationalities, political or national borders, or immigration laws, as they see their mission as protecting immigrants anyplace they wish to migrate, legally or illegally for a better life. All that comes under their "social justice" doctrine to ensure that everybody is equal and the world´s resources are distributed fairly to all their flocks.

If the Catholic Church were to decide the immigration laws, soon there would be no immigration restrictions or national boundaries with the six billion or so people in the world migrating as they please from third world undeveloped countries to any developed countries where they wished to reside and live the good life.

The Church should stick to what is God´s, and leave what is Cesar´s to the national political governments to sort out.



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Reply 16 - Posted by: A Burrite, 9/5/2013 2:31:42 PM     (No. 9507152)

I have a great idea! Why doesn´t the church start selling some (or all) of their art works scattered throughout the Vatican? The proceeds could go to new (and old) businesses around the country, who could then hire all of these illegals and get them off the dole.

Oops. Not my idea (h/t Morris L. West´s novel Shoes of the Fisherman).

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Reply 17 - Posted by: NYC RAL, 9/5/2013 2:48:41 PM     (No. 9507184)

Illegal entry into the USA is the law that was broken. Due to poor opportunity to provide for their future and the future of their family they came to this country. I agree with preventing people from "walking" into our country. Many of the illegals have sacrificed and suffered to get in through. Some of them have even died during the smuggling process hiking through the barren desert. They sacrificed to get here. If there were a "small" group, it would be easy enough but we have too many to return. Our government has goofed regardless of being red, blue, con, lib or non of the above. The continued influx must be stopped now. CONTACT your representatives in Washington today and insist if they want to keep their job or the position filled by their party do their job and represent you. Once the influx of illegals is stopped begin a process to either return these people back to Mexico or set up a way for them to enter a process to citizens. Screen each one of them for criminal backgrounds. If they are trouble pack them up and send them back. The Catholic Church is not the problem but can help be part of the solution. Let´s move our representatives to represent and put a stop to what continues every day. Make some positive action happen. Hire companies that are using documented employees paying them a just wage and providing benefits. Demand the government works to close the borders and get this melting pot of to be all it was intended to be. BUY American. HIRE American. PROMOTE American. ENCOURAGE American business to grow. We can and will be number one again. TAKE A STAND. Move more than our mouths or keyboards and make it happen. We CAN! DID! MUST! WILL!

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Reply 18 - Posted by: brownshoepogue, 9/5/2013 3:23:22 PM     (No. 9507249)

If RC priests feel they can use the pulpit during mass to advocate for certain political issues, then those in the pews can stand up during that mass and let the political activist "man of the cloth" know about their position as well. In fact, lets go ahead and turn Sunday Mass into a political donnybrook.
Then advise the political "man of the cloth" that his donations are cut off. Then if the Priest feels additional political activism is required, then parishioners who hold contrary positions should picket outside the church asking the IRS to invalidate the church´s tax exempt status.
Or...everyone can behave and allow politics to stay out of our place and day of worship. I prefer the latter course of action.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: thatsomewhereplace, 9/5/2013 3:27:18 PM     (No. 9507254)

Well. You rarely if ever hear priests calling for prayers for the Christians being murdered in Egypt, Iraq, Syris But about immigration? Ptooey!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: paulfromTexas, 9/5/2013 3:47:37 PM     (No. 9507283)

This from a church which won´t let fellow Christians partake in CATHOLIC communion......

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 9/5/2013 4:50:14 PM     (No. 9507372)

I think the bishops are wrong on this issue and I do not agree with their interpretation of the Church’s social justice teaching, which also demands that people obey just laws. For this reason I am selective in supporting the second collections and never write a check to the Campaign for Human Development. I am beyond dismayed that the bishops are choosing to focus on illegal immigration rather than continue to press the religious liberty issues in Obamacare or articulating the case for traditional marriage. I have come to view the U.S. bishops in much the same light as the Republican establishment; I’m not sure they’re always on our side. My favorite priest, ever, once said his proof the Church is moved by the Holy Spirit is the fact that the laity has propagated it despite the clergy.

That said, there are many fine and noble priests and the Truth of the Faith is before us at every Mass with the Mysterious Presence of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. The Catholic Church does, indeed, guard and protect the Sanctity of His Body and Blood and reserves reception of Him to those who recognize and reverence The Presence. Saint Paul warns specifically against receiving unworthily and the Church does not allow Christians who only believe Communion is symbolic to receive out of concern for their eternal souls. Woe unto those Catholics who publicly defy their Faith and yet receive. Pray that they may realize their grievance sin and repent.
AMDG

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 9/5/2013 4:53:52 PM     (No. 9507375)

Ah, that would be “grievous” sin. Mea culpa.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: dman, 9/5/2013 4:58:23 PM     (No. 9507378)

This a political matter for "Caesar", not a humanitarian matter for the church. If you want to help these people by improving conditions in Mexico, I´m all in. Helping them invade this country will only hasten its destruction. That is why I join several Ldotters above in choosing not to go back to a "Hispanicized" church.

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Gospel story of Jesus’ resurrection a
source of deep rifts in Christian religion

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Posted By: NorthernDog- 4/19/2014 10:46:11 PM     Post Reply
“On the third day, he rose again.” That line, from the Nicene Creed, is a foundational statement of Christian belief. It declares that three days after Jesus died on the cross, he was resurrected, a glimmer of the eternal life promised to believers. It’s the heart of the Easter story in seven little words. But how that statement is interpreted is the source of some of the deepest rifts in Christianity — and a stumbling block for some Christians, and more than a few skeptics. Did Jesus literally come back from the dead in a bodily resurrection, as many traditionalist


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