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Rockets in Syrian Attack Carried
Large Payload of Gas, Experts Say

New York Times, by William Broad

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Posted By:FlyRight, 9/5/2013 6:55:46 AM

A new study of images apparently from the Syrian attack last month concludes that the rockets delivering toxic sarin gas to neighborhoods around Damascus held up to 50 times more nerve agent than previously estimated, a conclusion that could solve the mystery of why there were so many more victims than in previous chemical attacks. The Times is providing updates, analysis and public reaction from around the world. The study, by leading weapons experts, also strongly suggests that the mass of toxic material could have come only from a large stockpile. American, British and French officials have charged that only


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Reply 1 - Posted by: MMC, 9/5/2013 7:04:29 AM     (No. 9506352)

Syria testing payloads on its own people a prelude to attacking Israel.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Rob_NC, 9/5/2013 7:10:07 AM     (No. 9506363)

...wonder if Vatimir will apologize to Kerry and Barry...kind of thinking no so much

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Reply 3 - Posted by: nina584, 9/5/2013 7:12:25 AM     (No. 9506366)

Nyt carrying the water for BO. A study is no proof. Before you go to war you need proof. Look what happened in Iraq .

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Rinktum, 9/5/2013 7:35:20 AM     (No. 9506402)

If the evidence is true, why is the international community dragging its feet? It is time someone else stepped up to confront this evil, but it appears no one wants to do so. As usual, it is left to us. Not this time. Not with this President and his incompetent administration. I don´t trust them. They don´t have the knowledge or experience. Their only expertise is pushing a progressive agenda down the throats of the American public.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: swarfer, 9/5/2013 7:35:41 AM     (No. 9506404)

This article doesn´t make any sense. Anyone manufacturing and handling gas on an industrial basis has the ability to field a WWII technology delivery system.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: jglas, 9/5/2013 7:40:58 AM     (No. 9506412)

Several other authorities have estimated the dead from the attack at 400 not 1400. Several articles featuring interviews with rebels said the Saudis provided those weapons to the rebels. Does no one else in the world have chemicals and rockets except Syria? When did Assad become a clever developer of chemical weapons? I thought he got his weapons years ago from Saddam Hussein. Obama is chomping at the bit to attack Assad to help his pals the MusBros, how convenient the NYT comes up with a study speculating (and that´s all it is . . they studied some pictures and gave a learned opinion) that only Assad could have done it. That´s exactly the same conclusion Kerry came up with using exactly the same reasoning. Well it´s not true. If those weapons were given to the rebels they could have done it.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: lancelink1, 9/5/2013 7:42:41 AM     (No. 9506416)

And still the compliant main stream media hasn´t asked where Syria got those WMDs.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: red oak, 9/5/2013 7:43:34 AM     (No. 9506417)

Well said #4. Well said.

Congress should heed the "president´s" mono-drone flab-jabber in Sweden yesterday with: "we´ll defer to the votes of the rest of the 98% of the world who, according to Barack the Talker, actually drew the red line."

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Reply 9 - Posted by: ranger06, 9/5/2013 7:52:10 AM     (No. 9506429)

"When you decide to get involved in a military operation in a place like Syria, you´ve got to be prepared, as we learned from Iraq and Afghanistan, to become the government, and I´m not sure any country, either the United States or I don´t hear of anyone else, who´s willing to take on that responsibility." - - Colin Powell

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Reply 10 - Posted by: hicokid, 9/5/2013 7:53:04 AM     (No. 9506431)

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Reply 11 - Posted by: wlazzell, 9/5/2013 7:54:09 AM     (No. 9506433)

Of course they haven´t, #7. Then they would have to explain all those trucks from Iraq to Syria hauling loads to the Bekka valley in the buildup to Gulf War 1.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: hicokid, 9/5/2013 8:03:46 AM     (No. 9506452)

Wasn´t it 5 days the site was accessed?

Also, the Saudis can afford bigger bombs.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: DCGIRL, 9/5/2013 8:08:21 AM     (No. 9506463)

agree with #3. A study is not proof.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: valinva, 9/5/2013 8:11:24 AM     (No. 9506468)

The last paragraph states that the rockets are like the ones used by Iraq against Iran with an added secondary payload. Could they be part of the WMDs that Iraq sent to Syria before the war with a little modification? Very likely they are.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: maryc, 9/5/2013 8:11:48 AM     (No. 9506470)

Does anyone recall all the trucks leaving Iraq for Syria before no weapons of mass destruction were not found after so many died from gas prior to that ? Wonder what was in those trucks ?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mws50, 9/5/2013 8:13:42 AM     (No. 9506475)

Paneta stated we did not know if the rebels (al quaida) had seized any of Saddam´s chemical weapons back in 2012.


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Reply 17 - Posted by: jimmyfoxhound, 9/5/2013 8:18:36 AM     (No. 9506481)

I don´t believe anyone about anything anymore. No matter what happens, Obama will be hailed as the greatest military leader since Patton, everyone in the middle east will still hate our guts and McCain will still be playing games on his iPhone.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Crosscut, 9/5/2013 8:26:54 AM     (No. 9506496)

If these WMDs can be traced back to Saddam as suspected, Bush is vindicated. Democrats and the Press definitely do not want to go there.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: 4freedom, 9/5/2013 8:32:22 AM     (No. 9506504)

Reported by the New York Times a pro Obama very progressive rag. I´d put more trust in Pravda.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: woodsman, 9/5/2013 8:33:30 AM     (No. 9506505)

The UN thought it was the rebels using sarin back in May


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Reply 21 - Posted by: enuf8, 9/5/2013 8:41:36 AM     (No. 9506523)

Convenient analysis done from video and articles and news reports??????
There is much info from back in June indicating the rebels (islamic jihadists) responsible. So whose at fault.´

Kerry´s statement indicating the ARABs were going to Fund all the Costs should definitely give one pause. Who would benefit?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Grambo, 9/5/2013 8:49:04 AM     (No. 9506538)

The evidence is not dispositive on the source. You don´t go to war on this sort of information. In fact, you don´t go to war with this sort of President.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: jimK1, 9/5/2013 8:58:07 AM     (No. 9506554)

I´m confused. Assad is (or may be) using gas on people that have vowed to kill us OR the people that have vowed to kill us have used gas to kill innocents in order to place the blame on a government that we don´t like so that we will help them and further promote their cause to kill us. Seems to me that helping either side is tantamount to actively helping an enemy that wants to kill Americans and that is treason. But then what else is new with this administration.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Tanker76, 9/5/2013 9:04:17 AM     (No. 9506572)

# 17 nails it.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Avogadra, 9/5/2013 9:26:32 AM     (No. 9506615)

I´m with #10. No matter what we say, our "leaders" don´t listen to it.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: stryker714, 9/5/2013 9:38:20 AM     (No. 9506635)

Come on media-fan the flames, just any little tidbit to help the poseur who never stops begging for more affirmative action, gimmes, bailouts, being the loser he is.

Trying to prove who launched Sarin from forensics is difficult, almost like trying to prove a negative. Note however that much of Kerry´s argument at these hearings is attempting to convince why the administration´s position isn´t a hoax versus actually submitting tangible evidence to make their point. Plus Kerry and crew submit just a few too many punts of "that´s classified, we´ll have to discuss that in private". Oh sure.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: coldoc, 9/5/2013 9:48:50 AM     (No. 9506653)

"Experts" and "apparently from" sound like weasel words to me. It might be more truthful to just say "we don´t know". Let Assad and Al Qaeda continue to sort it out by themselves.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: chicodon, 9/5/2013 9:49:30 AM     (No. 9506656)

Alright, this is the NYT which means this is the official talking points of the administration. My view of what´s going on here is evolving. I see cutting Hezbollah off at the knees prior to an Israeli attack on Iran as a factor. The other bombshell we learned of today is about the nuclear reactor in Syria. If there´s not regime change, Israel will take it out.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: bohallx, 9/5/2013 9:59:05 AM     (No. 9506680)

If we listened to the climatologist´s models we´d been wearing speedos in January last.

You can do anything you wish with a model.

My model says Biden in 10, Obama out and gone!

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Reply 30 - Posted by: RancherJack, 9/5/2013 10:53:30 AM     (No. 9506784)

Lies, damn lies and then there´s Experts.

Do Not Listen To Experts.

You´re being played.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: harleynyc, 9/5/2013 11:08:34 AM     (No. 9506816)


´rebels´ using the chemical bombs.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 9/5/2013 11:24:49 AM     (No. 9506839)

I´m a conservative old codger. Yet I find the Russian report of Syrian rebels using poison gas more compelling than the "Pravda-on-the-Hudson" (NYT) argument that ´experts´ blame Assad for this latest attack. [Also, I don´t think Putin is a homosexual like....]

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Reply 33 - Posted by: FormerDem, 9/5/2013 1:38:01 PM     (No. 9507075)

AFter all, a lot of Syrian military openly defected to the rebels, so there is plenty of room to go with the Russians on this and suspect the rebels/Al Qaeda. I still remember thinking that Al Qaeda pulled off a good one by launching the Russia-Georgia war, which had both sides springing to battle and blaming each other, and the early attacks that each confidently blamed on the other remained, to this day, actually murky. I still think Al Qaeda got them going at each other. And now in Syria trying the stunt they practiced in the Caucasus.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: strike3, 9/5/2013 1:57:37 PM     (No. 9507101)

al Qaeda supposedly stole 300 rockets from Benghazi from our CIA compound. Were they US rockets? The delivery system used in the Syrian chemical attack was supposedly very accurate. Is obama a war criminal already?

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 9/5/2013 7:20:41 PM     (No. 9507556)

I still believe these rockets may be the ones Saddam buried in the Syrian desert just before he was hanged. Could well be wrong, but, W could come out of this smelling like a rose, i.e, all the claims from the left atthe time including the msm (loudly just ahead of the 2008 presidential election, I might add) that there were never any WMDs ever produced in Iraq and the CIA made it up and W lied.

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President Obama pulled a surprise move Monday at the White House’s Easter Prayer Breakfast when he selected Gene Robinson to lead the closing prayer. Robinson is famously known as the first openly gay Episcopal bishop. Talking Points Memo’s Tom Kludt spotted the following tweet from Robinson, who was in attendance: (Tweet) Robinson, 66, became diocesan bishop of New Hampshire in March 2004. He retired in January 2013 and is currently a senior fellow at the progressive

Developing: Russian fighter jet buzzes
U.S. Navy destroyer in Black Sea

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Associated Press, by Lolita C. Baldor    Original Article
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A Russian fighter jet made multiple, close-range passes near an American warship in the Black Sea for more than 90 minutes Saturday amid escalating tensions in the region, a U.S. military official said Monday. In the first public account of the incident, the official said the Russian Fencer flew within 1,000 yards of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet above sea level. Ship commanders considered the actions provocative and inconsistent with international agreements, prompting the ship to issue several radio queries and warnings. The fighter appeared to be unarmed and never was in danger of

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