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A Proud Nation Ponders
How to Halt Its Slow Decline

New York Times, by Steven Erlanger

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Posted By:NorthernDog, 8/25/2013 3:20:01 PM

PARIS — For decades, Europeans have agonized over the power and role of Germany — the so-called German question — given its importance to European stability and prosperity. Today, however, Europe is talking about “the French question”: can the Socialist government of President François Hollande pull France out of its slow decline and prevent it from slipping permanently into Europe’s second tier? At stake is whether a social democratic system that for decades prided itself on being the model for providing a stable and high standard of living for its citizens can survive the combination of globalization, an aging population

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I think France´s decline will accelerate. They don´t want to give up their cushy benefits (retire at 60, ´´free´´ everything), but the marketplace is gradually crushing them.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Hawgguy, 8/25/2013 3:29:59 PM     (No. 9490704)

How´s that socialism working out for ya´?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Coy860, 8/25/2013 3:42:10 PM     (No. 9490711)

Yet again, Germany is growing stronger while other European Nations decline.


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Reply 3 - Posted by: billp, 8/25/2013 3:45:08 PM     (No. 9490715)

As #1 inferred, socialism is killing the western-world and creating the following problems which would not exist without it:

- Third-world immigrants sucking up welfare and other government services on an unsustainable scale
- Third-world immigrants adding hugely to crime, it´s cost to, and destruction of, the productive
- Government and union retirement & medical costs and upkeep
- And of course, the socialism - a system that encourages fewer and fewer producers and more and more consumers through government support.

Analysis: You can´t pay people to not work. Working people create wealth - non-working people ONLY consume and destroy wealth.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: bamapreacher, 8/25/2013 3:54:04 PM     (No. 9490722)

From the headline I thought this would be about the United States. However, I don;t think our decline will be that slow. I give it until 2016 at the latest.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Reddoggie, 8/25/2013 3:55:30 PM     (No. 9490724)

When I first read the heading I thought this article was about the USA - - A Proud Nation Ponders How to Halt Its Slow Decline. But then again the decline of the US in on the fast track.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Ravenhaven, 8/25/2013 4:02:26 PM     (No. 9490732)

I´m guessing 75% of Ldotters assumed this was about the US. What does that say?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: kennedylaw, 8/25/2013 4:04:53 PM     (No. 9490735)

Coming soon to an Obamanation near you.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: losgatos, 8/25/2013 5:03:31 PM     (No. 9490789)

Count me in the 75%.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: luandir, 8/25/2013 5:22:36 PM     (No. 9490804)

The irony...the U.S. is declining right under the Slimes´ nose, and they are focused on France.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: novakid, 8/25/2013 5:23:23 PM     (No. 9490806)

It´s probably about 90% that thought the headline referred to the US.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Sanchin, 8/25/2013 5:25:51 PM     (No. 9490809)

Of course the headline applies to America and the truth is America is trying to copy today the failed policies of France.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Jubilationtcornpone, 8/25/2013 5:28:16 PM     (No. 9490810)

The NYT does not want to consider the US to be proud. That would smack of patriotism and nationalism, which are conservative concepts.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: bobn.t, 8/25/2013 7:36:18 PM     (No. 9491004)

Any many I America, including Zero, are cheering and accelerating America´s rapid decline.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: hoosiergirl71, 8/25/2013 7:56:03 PM     (No. 9491039)

France has a declining birth rate as well. More babies, more people, more business, more jobs, more interest in the future. Think how much more vigorous this nation could be if we hadn´t aborted all those children?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 8/26/2013 11:20:12 AM     (No. 9491872)

The final paragraph of Joshua Muravchik´s book Heaven On Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism:

"By no means all socialists were killers or amoral. Many were sincere humanitarians; mostly these were the adherents of democratic socialism. But democratic socialism turned out to be a contradiction in terms, for where socialists proceeded democratically, the found themselves on a trajectory that took them further and further from socialism. Long before Lenin, socialist thinkers had anticipated the problem. The imaginary utopias of Plato, Moore, Campanella and Edward Bellamy, whose 1887 novel, Looking Backward, was the most popular socialist book in American history, all relied on coercion, as did the plans of The Conspiracy of Equals. Only once did democratic socialists manage to create socialism. That was the kibbutz. And after they had experienced it, they chose democratically to abolish it."

Apparently a lot of young people have trouble understanding what´s wrong with socialism, thanks to Marxist teachers and professors promoting it as utopia. The problems with socialism and communism is that (A) they are incompatible with individual liberty because they require people to behave a certain way, (B) they are incompatible with economic prosperity and growth because people will not work as hard for the goals and benefit of others and they will work to achieve their own goals or their own benefit, and (C) they are ultimately incompatible with democracy because people will try to abandon it when the coercion and failure becomes apparent.

Socialism and communism don´t keep failing because they weren´t tried by the right people or the right way but because they are full of fail and are destined to fail.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: frew, 8/26/2013 2:06:22 PM     (No. 9492214)

France is going the same way that Greece did. They are running out of other people´s money. Their tax revenues are down because the population is aging and because of the poor economy, which is further hamstrung by government policy. They won´t have enough money to pay for their early retirement and other benefits, and so they will have to make adjustments. I don´t expect that they will do any better at this than Greece did.

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