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The truth Johnny Depp wants to hide
about the real-life Tontos: How
Comanche Indians butchered babies,
roasted enemies alive and would ride
1,000 miles to wipe out one family

Daily Mail [UK], by Jonathan Foreman

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Posted By:StormCnter, 8/19/2013 5:48:31 AM

The 16-year-old girl’s once-beautiful face was grotesque. She had been disfigured beyond all recognition in the 18 months she had been held captive by the Comanche Indians. Now, she was being offered back to the Texan authorities by Indian chiefs as part of a peace negotiation. To gasps of horror from the watching crowds, the Indians presented her at the Council House in the ranching town of San Antonio in 1840, the year Queen Victoria married Prince Albert. ‘Her head, arms and face were full of bruises and sores,’ wrote one witness, Mary Maverick. ‘And her nose was actually burnt off to the bone.

Comments:
The centaurs of the West, yes. But, my own ancestors had horrific stories to pass down from carnage along the Trans-Pecos ranches.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Blue hen1, 8/19/2013 6:12:36 AM     (No. 9480452)

Depp is a putz

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Reply 2 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 8/19/2013 6:27:03 AM     (No. 9480458)

So much for the myth of the "Noble Savage".

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Reply 3 - Posted by: gerty, 8/19/2013 6:36:12 AM     (No. 9480466)

I don´t know about this...Tonto is a fictional character. Tonto is also a ´good guy´ from my childhood recollection.

There is no good reason to tear down yet another part of Americana!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: ebolamadcow, 8/19/2013 7:13:45 AM     (No. 9480502)

#3 "There is no good reason to tear down yet another part of Americana!"

This is exactly what the libs have been doing by accusing whites of unspeakable horrors committed against their red saints while ignoring atrocities committed by the same.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: uno, 8/19/2013 7:36:09 AM     (No. 9480529)

Boy, when I want to know history I aways turn to Johnny Depp...
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Trigger2, 8/19/2013 7:41:48 AM     (No. 9480536)

Homeland Security is trying to exceed Comanche achievements.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: LadyVet, 8/19/2013 7:48:58 AM     (No. 9480551)

A good book to read on Comanche Indians and the clash of civilization as white people moved across the plains is "Empire of the Summer Moon."

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Reply 8 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/19/2013 7:57:54 AM     (No. 9480564)

A read of the article discloses that the original Tonto was not a Comanche but was from another, peace-loving tribe.

The makers of the movie decided to kick it up a notch and have Tonto be a Comanche. And then present the Comanches as being something they were not. That is the basis for the criticism in this article.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 8/19/2013 7:58:03 AM     (No. 9480565)

Arm and Hammer along with Johnny Dupe sure ruined some good memories of a couple of 1950´s western greats. I won´t be spending any of my disposable income to see a movie with Depp in it.
He should have stayed with Jack Sparrow.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: OperaBuff, 8/19/2013 8:03:55 AM     (No. 9480575)

Hey, Johnny Depp is sexy, leave him alone. Sexy people are always the smartest people. All he needs is more of your hard earned money to do more smart things.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: debster, 8/19/2013 8:09:49 AM     (No. 9480588)

Depp´s buffoonery in this movie would cause Comanches to scalp themselves. As a kid who loved the tv Lone Ranger, this dreadful movie was like being staked to an ant bed. Talk about torture.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: bearcat, 8/19/2013 8:17:44 AM     (No. 9480600)

There are many varieties of "indians". Some were warlike, some peaceful. The Iroquois enslaved other tribes. The Sioux slaughtered others. The Hopi were peaceful. The monolithic Indian culture is a myth.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 8/19/2013 8:24:39 AM     (No. 9480611)

"demonic immorality" -- Sounds much like Islamic immorality.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Namma, 8/19/2013 8:36:15 AM     (No. 9480638)

The Indian migrated across the Bering Straights into what is now known as Alaska. They moved down thru the Northwest and into the Americas. While doing this, the Indian pushed off the ORGINAL people that lived on this continent. the Indian is NOT native to this land. they won control of this land by winning wars. They are NOT the innocent peoples that libs defend as being oppressed.
one can read this in old history books. If the books haven´t been burned by now.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Newtsche, 8/19/2013 8:41:59 AM     (No. 9480646)

"The Lone Ranger" tanked so there´s that.



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Reply 16 - Posted by: coldoc, 8/19/2013 8:47:08 AM     (No. 9480661)

Its tough to respect a guy who sees a dead chicken on his head as a fashion statement!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: mitzi, 8/19/2013 8:47:32 AM     (No. 9480664)

#2 - Savage is the key word.

Read what the Mohawk Indians did to Isaac Joques in 1646.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: bugboy, 8/19/2013 8:47:51 AM     (No. 9480665)

If your ever in the hill country of Texas visit Enchanted Rock. Its a huge piece of pink granite that sits among the hills. Once you climb the rock, you walk up, the view is spectacular especially at sunset.

It was called Enchanted by the local indians and the Comanche. There were a group of Rangers that got in a gunfight with some Comanches and went up the rock to get away from them. The indians would not follow because after the sun sets Enchanted Rock begins to make cracking and other noises as it cools off. Hence the indians thoughts this is where the spirits lived.

It saved the Rangers.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: udanja99, 8/19/2013 8:58:31 AM     (No. 9480680)

The "living in harmony with nature" Indians stampeded thousands of buffalo off of cliffs in order to harvest meat and skins from a few, leaving the rest to rot. They had no horses to use in the hunt until the evil white man brought them to America. They also set forests on fire rather than hack their way through them. Environmentalists - NOT.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Tallgrass Palms, 8/19/2013 9:00:33 AM     (No. 9480681)



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Reply 21 - Posted by: Tallgrass Palms, 8/19/2013 9:09:34 AM     (No. 9480704)

Comanches learned to use the horse as a weapon of war and some, riding full tilt hanging off the side of the horse, could fire arrows under the horse´s neck. Read the story of Cynthia Parker, mother of Quanah Parker, and the settlement of Texas sometime.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: StormCnter, 8/19/2013 9:15:29 AM     (No. 9480716)

If we´re suggesting books, I recommend Wilbarger´s "Indian Depredations in Texas". It´s old, but packed with fascinating stories. "The Schoolhouse Massacre" is one. My great-great-grandmother was one of the children who escaped through windows while the Commaches were attacking. Here´s a link to a tribute to the heroic young schoolteacher who died so the kids could get away.

http://www.texasescapes.com/TexasPersonalities/Ann-Whitney.htm


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Reply 23 - Posted by: Rinktum, 8/19/2013 9:17:47 AM     (No. 9480724)

Another example of the left romanticizing bad guys, and it appears from this article the Comanche were very bad guys too. What is with the left? Do they not do any research and just let their their imagination run wild? It really is irresponsible.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: tusker, 8/19/2013 9:25:22 AM     (No. 9480744)

The late John Graves wrote in "Goodbye to a River", (the best book to come out of Texas, ever) that "The People" were "...good haters...."

"The People" were not alone. General Ranald S. ("Bad Hand, Two Fingers, No-Finger Chief) Mackenzie (to name only one) mowed down The People in Palo Duro Canyon, Texas who were wintering there, old men, women and children, in the on-going drive to wipe The People off the face of the earth in the name of "Manifest Destiny".

So, before getting one´s panties in a wad over the actions of The People, do understand, there was more than enough "hate" to go around, and lots of babies killed on both sides and nobody learned a damn thing.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Samoasam, 8/19/2013 9:29:05 AM     (No. 9480750)

The libs have tried to rewrite these people as noble. They were cruel savages among their own, before the whiteman came along. They´d still be nomads out their, if we hadn´t come along.
They never had a written language. They Dragged things across the Plains. Even the cave man came up with the Wheel! The libs keep at it---rewriting history!

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Reply 26 - Posted by: jond, 8/19/2013 9:39:06 AM     (No. 9480767)

Good one #11. Oh, not meant as a joke? My bad.

"True Women" touches on Texas/Comanche history, though lightly.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: bob913, 8/19/2013 9:39:48 AM     (No. 9480768)

Johnny Depp looks stupid in or out of films.
The indians would have shot him full of arrows for fun.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter, 8/19/2013 10:14:16 AM     (No. 9480845)

To add another book, "Blood and Thunder." It´s the story of Kit Carson and his relationships with the natives - some good (he married a squaw), some not so good. The Utes were apparently a pretty savage bunch, also.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: tusker, 8/19/2013 10:19:45 AM     (No. 9480858)

Wrong about "...not having a written language..."

The Cherokee´s did.

Now, go read about the "Trail of Tears".





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Reply 30 - Posted by: comstock, 8/19/2013 10:23:18 AM     (No. 9480866)

¿Quemo sabe?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: kanphil, 8/19/2013 10:55:00 AM     (No. 9480917)

The time of the Comanche was a brutal time all round. Texans shot dead Mexicans without provocation and vice versa, Comanches were matched in their brutality by the Apache, General Sherman was ordered to kill all buffalo, and nearly did, leaving thousands of Indian men women and children to starve to death. Interestingly, all these fiercely contentious interests in the US have come within a century to be able to live together in peace. They´ve been at it in the Middle East for 20 centuries with no progress toward peace at all.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: birddog, 8/19/2013 12:01:26 PM     (No. 9481026)

I found an old diary/journal from a relative who took a steamboat from Cincinnati to Texas in 1850 and spent the next year traveling through on horseback with a supply wagon and armed companions.They were on constant lookout for marauding Comanche, they never encountered them but described the aftermath they found at burned out farms.They spent several days at the abandoned wreck of the Alamo, it´s only tenant a German with a small flock of goats.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 8/19/2013 12:15:00 PM     (No. 9481054)

The concept of "The Noble Savage" was something dreamed up by the evil Jean-Jacques Rousseau. For the most part, American Indian tribes were viciously brutal. Not mentioned was the ceremonial "skinning alive" of a captive to see which "Brave" could succeed in removing all of the victim´s skin before he died.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: bob913, 8/19/2013 12:56:31 PM     (No. 9481115)

Just watch Walker: Texas Ranger.....

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Sandbar, 8/19/2013 1:03:24 PM     (No. 9481126)

Cynthia Parker, mother of Quanah Parker is a g,g,g aunt of mine. Read "The Last Comanche Chief" by Bill Neely. It contains some descriptive stories of Comanche treatment of prisoners, some horrific, a few good. After Quanah came to the reservation, he and the above mentioned Mackenzie were respectful, and friendly to each other bordering on friendship.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: cheeflo, 8/19/2013 1:11:19 PM     (No. 9481140)

Comparatively peace-loving tribe, #8. That modifier is meaningful.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: bohallx, 8/19/2013 2:37:07 PM     (No. 9481264)

#7 ~ 3 peculiarities of the Comanche are:

(1) The wearing of European style clothing. There´s some debate on the hats but they weren´t too terribly Indian looking.

(2) They were originally just another bunch of guys wandering about the Rockies hunting and gathering, then the horse showed up. Then they lived near Helena, MT ~ which has TWO town sites clearly laid out in the oldest sections that were done according to the Law of the Indies ~ that is, they were Spanish towns. The gold bearing area is the creek between the towns. Apparently the Spanish never found the gold! That sets the civilizing of the Comanche in the 1600s and not the 1700s BTW ~ which gave them plenty of time to get really mean!

(3)There are half a dozen affiliated tribes that followed them to Texas! Which is strange considering they´d been the Comanche´s victims for presumably ´forever´!

So, what happened to those Spaniards?

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Reply 38 - Posted by: L1A1SLR, 8/19/2013 3:46:28 PM     (No. 9481347)

#23, I´ve concluded the reason the left idolizes and idealizes such people, is because they have done (or are doing) what the lefties themselves would secretly like to do.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 8/19/2013 8:31:24 PM     (No. 9481734)

Interesting comments.

That was then and things have changed.
Depp should be as interested in similar actions carried on today by another group that never moved on.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Jubilationtcornpone, 8/20/2013 3:12:25 PM     (No. 9482910)

Go just east of Oklahoma City and you will run into the Crosstimbers," a thick wall of scrub brush, blackjack oaks and other hardwood trees. It´s about 40-50 miles wide and runs the length of the state north and south. You can barely walk through it, much less ride a horse through it. It´s the only thing that kept the Comanche, Kiowa, Cheyenne and other Plains tribes from raiding further east.

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Less than a minute into his speech at the Boston marathon bombing memorial on Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden went tragically off script and told the crowd of Boston bombing survivors that "it was worth it." After expressing how impressed he was with the tribute, he said somberly, "let me say to those ´quote survivors,´ my God, you have survived and you have soared. It was worth it. I mean this sincerely - just to hear each of you speak. You´re truly, truly inspiring." The audience sat in stunned silence until Biden declared, "I´ve never heard anything so beautiful than

Casual marijuana use linked with
brain abnormalities, study finds

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Fox News, by Loren Grush    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 6:12:53 PM     Post Reply
Casual marijuana use may come with some not-so-casual side effects. For the first time ever, researchers at Northwestern University have analyzed the relationship between casual use of marijuana and brain changes – and found that young adults who used cannabis just once or twice a week showed significant abnormalities in two important brain structures. The study’s findings, to be published Wednesday in the Journal of Neuroscience, are similar to those of past research linking chronic, long-term marijuana use with mental illness and changes in brain development. Dr. Hans Breiter, co-senior study author, said he was inspired to look at the effects of casual

Which Actor Portrays The
Best James Bond?

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American Spectator, by Jonah Goldberg and Taki Theodoracopulos    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 4/16/2014 11:20:22 AM     Post Reply
Look, everyone loves Sean Connery, particularly Sean Connery. That’s why he plays Sean Connery in every movie he’s in. People love that Scottish brogue so much, they don’t mind that he has it when he plays Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, an immortal Spaniard in Highlander. The guy even won an Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent. Talk about sexist double standards: Meryl Streep has to master foreign dialects to get her golden statuettes. Connery just has to show up on time. In economics you devalue a currency by printing too much of it. In film you

White babies just 15 months old show racial
bias when picking playmates, study found

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/15/2014 10:23:35 PM     Post Reply
Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. They also take account of how fairly others behave. Researchers tested the reaction of white 15-month-olds as toys were distributed. Two white adults divided the toys, one equally and the other unequally. Seventy per cent of the toddlers chose to play with the researcher who distributed the toys fairly. But in a second test, when one researcher favoured a white recipient over an Asian one, they picked the ‘fair’ researcher less often, the journal Frontiers in Psychology reports. And the babies are more likely to help those who share the same ethnicity, which is known as

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

White is not right: Campus admins ask
for help weeding out white people

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Daily Caller, by Robby Soave    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 7:47:18 PM     Post Reply
Western Washington University sent a questionnaire to students asking them for advice on how the administration could succeed at making sure that in future years, “we are not as white as we are today.” The question notes that WWU’s racial make up does not perfectly reflect the nation at large, and asks students to consider strategies that other universities have used to focus on skin color as the paramount indicator of a student-applicant’s worth. The president of WWU has stated that his explicit goal is to reduce the white population on campus, according to Campus Reform. “I’ve said before and I’ll say it

If a nuclear bomb exploded in downtown
Washington, what should you do?

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The Week, by Marc Ambinder    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast


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