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Abraham Lincoln: hero or tyrant?
Telegraph [UK], by Daniel Hannan

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 8/12/2013 7:34:38 PM

You might think it odd to put the question. Abraham Lincoln is one of that tiny number of statesmen who, in the public mind, have ascended above the political plane. [Snip] (I realise I’m rather behind the curve here--like a lot of people with children, I now get to see movies only on longhaul flights). Daniel Day-Lewis perfectly captures the ponderous frontiersman’s manner to which Lincoln’s contemporaries attest. Watching his portrayal, I was reminded of the way Karl Marx described his contemporary: ‘One of the few men to become great without ceasing to be good’ (possibly the

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Bohallx, 8/12/2013 8:02:10 PM     (No. 9470658)

Even before there was a Confederate States the Southerners were extending federal power into the business of Northern states with their Fugitive Slave Act.

That was passed in 1850 by a Democrat Congress.

The same Democrats crushed freedom of the press when it came to poor Americans with their prohibition of the use of the hectograph or the mailing of documents produced by that method.

Confederate revisionists know very well they struck the first blow; that the Confederacy was elitist at the core; institutionally hated the poor ~ white and black; and was no friend of liberty.



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Reply 2 - Posted by: VAfreedomluver, 8/12/2013 10:45:56 PM     (No. 9470874)

The tragedy of Lincoln is that he set into motion the centralization of government that is leading this country into an authoritarian nightmare, but that was the furthest thing from his intent.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 8/12/2013 11:30:37 PM     (No. 9470911)

Lincoln did everything possible to preserve the Union, including destroying the Constitution that founded it. Read the history and you see I am right. Everything after Lincoln was easy- Income tax, Social Security, Welfare- all the things the Constitution forbids- all they did was follow Lincoln´s example.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 8/12/2013 11:59:07 PM     (No. 9470934)

This sort of thread is very distressing, because it brings out those who want to fight the Civil War all over again.

So #2, in your view what should Lincoln have done? You say he set into motion the centralization of government, and so forth. Well, how else was he to defeat an armed rebellion by 11 states which had raised formidable armies?

No #3, Lincoln did not destroy the Constitution. The southern states did that, with their insistence on enslaving other human beings on the basis of their skin color and national origin. And Lincoln is only responsible for what happened on HIS watch. He is not responsible for the Great Depression, FDR´s policies or anything else that happened 70 years after his death. For better and worse, the generations of Americans that came after Lincoln have chosen their own fates.



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Reply 5 - Posted by: southron, 8/13/2013 12:32:21 AM     (No. 9470966)

Will someone give me a reliable historical source to confirm the writers claim that Lincoln offered to end slavery by compensating Southern slave owners but the Southerners turned it down.


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Reply 6 - Posted by: MissMann, 8/13/2013 2:54:43 AM     (No. 9471026)

Slavery was an abomination, but other countries were able to put a stop to slavery without slaughtering hundreds of thousands of its citizens.

The states were a union by choice and had the right to leave that union by choice. Preserving this union by trashing its founding principals is nothing to celebrate.

Lincoln was the worst president, bar none, and it is distressing that he is revered in any way. I wish people would think this through rather than parrot the myths they´ve been fed all their lives.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: JimJr, 8/13/2013 10:34:13 AM     (No. 9471517)

The real question is not whether slavery was and is wrong, there are no honest arguments for the practice of slavery. The question is is the Constitution, the Union, a suicide pact? Do the people of a State have the same right to peacefully leave the union as they have to join it?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jglas, 8/14/2013 11:21:29 AM     (No. 9473507)

Lincoln was fixated on preserving the union. I´m not sure I´m in agreement that is a goal worthy of a war costing 600,000 lives. We were individual colonies before we were united states. If there had not been slavery in the southern states to provide a moral cause for Lincoln to insist on conducting the war I think we would have just broken into two countries differentiated mainly by slave holding or not slave holding. Eventually slave holding would have been abolished in the Confederacy and the two nations would probably have merged again. Morally the civil war was a right thing to do but it cannot be denied it set a no secession precedence that really flies in the face of the spirit of the constitution and limits states rights today.

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