Appearing on This Week With George Stephanopoulos, Republican Congressman Louie Gohmert battled not only the Democratic panelists but also conservative pundit George Will over the wisdom of shutting down the government to prevent Obamacare funding. Gohmert strongly condemned President Barack Obama’s argument at Friday’s news conference that the GOP’s “holy grail” was enying millions of people health insurance. “That’s a false narrative,” Gohmert said. “He says we’re trying to keep people from having health care. That’s just not true. That is an absolute, blatant lie. We’re not trying to keep anybody from getting health care.
Sorry, George Will is correct. Gohmert´s approach will be a disaster at the voting booth, no matter how the Republicans try to spin it. Yes, people don´t like Obamacare...so, Congress, fix it! Make it better! Don´t shut down the whole government over it.
And yes, the Dems will be saying that the Republicans want to deny people healthcare. Reality is that some people in this country do not have jobs which cover their health insurance, and they cannot purchase it for any amount they can afford through individual policies if they have per-existing conditions. When your health insurance quote is more than you earn in a month...and that happens for some folks...then they can´t purchase health insurance. It may not be common, but it happens. And you can bet the Dems will have such people on commercials to show what the "mean old Republicans" did. Don´t go there; roll your sleeves up and fix the bill.
I assume your advice to the Egyptians under Morsi would have been similar to McCain and Graham´s counsel? Better tread lightly about forcing the masses against their will - you are inviting a repeat of history.
I don´t think the bill can be fixed and we can never beat the Democrat lies and spin if we don´t fight. Will is comfy as a crochety outsider, yet still a DC insider. He doesn´t relate to outside the Beltway life. I admire Rep Gohmert´s courage and leadership. We may lose if we fight, we damn sure will lose if we don´t. We can´t keep letting the democrats slide. FIGHT.
Why don´t Republicans start saying: Democrats want to cause healthcare to cost everyone half their salary. Say it enough over and over..let them say it is not true but repeat it over and over. I actually think Dems do not care if half our salaries go to pay for Obamacare so why not accuse them of this. Republicans need to be proactive and aggressive rather than meek and defensive. Let us all just start accusing Dems of whatever we believe. I personally think Dems are trying to destroy the family unit. So why don´t I just start saying and writing this everywhere and deny it is false. We can all pay this game and get the Dems on the defensive. Oh..and why must Republicans always attack other Repubs? Oh unless they are moderates or liberals. The stupid party sure lives up to its name.
George Will was being absurd and ridiculous. The House has control of the US purse. They should use that control to defund the horrible democratic obamacare law.
Free clue, Will... The republicans will not shut down government. They can pass a fully funded budget that excludes all things referring to obamacare spending and let the democrats not pass a budget bill. If the Senate democrats do not pass the budget bill, the non-essential part of our federal government cannot operate. Tell me how that would be a bad thing.
I just punished myself for no reason at all by reading the comments after this Media-ite article. At a time when our Congress needs a whopping great kick in the pants for going along with so much damaging legislation, we don´t need the likes of old boy´ club George Will kicking some of our brightest and best in the teeth for daring to speak out for what they know is right. Our government and media stink to high heaven.
I sometimes like Louie Gohmert a lot and sometimes I wish he´d stop enjoying the spotlight quite so much with his controversial statements. We do not want to shut down the government. Nobody is advocating that. We cannot defund Obamacare all at once. We can, however, delay this, delay that, defund this, improve this, eliminate that until the whole thing collapses. The White House is terrified that not enough young, healthy people are going to volunteer to pay for expensive health insurance they don´t want or need. The WH is quite right to be anxious. It´s not going to happen. The exchanges, in October, won´t be sufficient, won´t be ready and won´t work. It´s too late to stop Obamacare in its entirety, but we can tinker and fix and throw out until we end up with something that won´t destroy the country.
Why do republican conservatives waste their time appearing on these leftist communist propaganda shows and who gives a damn what George Will has to say? Will is part of the ruling beltway elite class. Shut up George.
There´s been this debate going on regarding the relative place of the legislative authority and the executive authority since Oliver Cromwell and his Roundheads defeated King Charles and the Cavaliers.
Some continue to be upset about that outcome ~ George Will is such a person ~ A ROYALIST ~ a RIGHT WINGER.
Louie Gohmert, not exactly my favorite member of Congress, is actually on the side of God, Jesus, Mary, the Holy Ghost and the Prophets themselves in this regard ~ he ain´t no right winger Fur Shur.
The legislative authority should always hold the authority to severely counsel the executive, even if they have to drag him out of the palace and dispose of him.
BTW, that discovery was made earlier in Vehice. One Doge exceeded his authority. The Senate disposed of him in the prescribed manner. No subsequent Doge got out of line.
We are modern people though so it´s OK to cut off funds to stay the executive´s hand and prevent him from wasting the nation´s patrimony on tom foolery.
Here is my problem. I try my best to consider the opinion of moderate republicans. However, anytime an issue comes up, they consistently take some tapioca strategy. We have followed them until we elected Obama (twice!) and now they want to advise us on how to handle Obamacare? Tell me moderates, what has your team done to deserve any credibility against the onslaught of liberalism? Give me a radical lover of liberty rather than a gentlemanly loser.
If you want to charge ahead to slaughter join Louie. The Dems are licking their chops.
Shut the government down. When social security checks don´t go out, when the military doesn´t get paid, Obama goes on TV and announces that due to extraordinary circumstances he must raise the debt ceiling unilaterally. Republicans insist on hurting our seniors and our brave men and women in the military. I refuse to allow them to get away with it. This measure will fund the government for 30 days. In that time I hope Republicans will think of their fellow Americans first and not their own selfish interests.
A better strategy would be to put every thing into winning the Senate and forcing a showdown in 2015 when we have a stronger hand.
The GOP IS the stupid party. The first words out of any member of the party when discussing the defunding of Obamacare should be, "We are only defunding 1 small part of the government, Obamacare. If Obama and the Democrats choose to ignore or veto our continuing resolution and shut down the government, let it be on their heads, not ours."
Standing tall along side Rep Louie. George, shut your mouth until you know something about the subject. Shut down the government. Especially the checks to the Kommie Klown Klan member. He has access to too much of our money anyway. Destroy the obombacare bill and have an alternative...one WTP would want to see. Not the crap sandwich the kommie klan forced down our throats. That is something which will long be remembered. Just as amnesty will whould you pubbies to it do us again.
Maybe I´m wrong, but I don´t see Gohmert as someone particularly affected by the limelight.
I do think, however, that he has no business standing up there and taking this politically dangerous position without presenting at least a clue as to what HE would propose to address healthcare, and healthcare for everyone.
Thank you #16. Ever notice the short-sightedness of RINOs 1) We need a survival strategy and they only thoughts are always a political strategy 2) What country has ever rid itself of nationalized healthcare? Anyone? Bueller, Bueller? 3) Obama has martialed the forces of the IRS, NSA, EPA, FBI et al., against us and RINOs think we can somehow win another election? 4) What would it take for RINOs to decide it was time to lay down the gauntlet?
If the goal here was to provide every American with "affordable" medical insurance (no one ever defines what affordable means), then, given the cost of the program that´s been put into law, wouldn´t it have been orders of magnitude less expensive for the government simply to buy a medical insurance plan for every citizen or, perhaps, for those who could not afford one?
That no one ever goes back to review what was the intellectual underpinning of this adventure in public financing, perhaps the ultimate goal of the Affordable Care Act is not to provide medical insurance to those who can not afford it or prefer not to purchase it.
#16 I agree with you completely. They can have my VA benefits too. I just don´t see how we win this fight this year. Obama´s delayed a number of provisions. Others will fall away. 2015 isn´t too late. The GOP can use 2014 as a referendum on a free market alternative to Obamacare. Just my opinion but I think we´d be in a much stronger position to fight.
Yes, the PR battle of the party must be won. That is far more important than the future of the country. /s
As far as I´m concerned, if Obamacare is not defunded (delaying it only plays into the dems hands) then this country is down the tubes anyway. I would rather go down fighting, wouldn´t you? Well, no, obviously RINOs wouldn´t, because they care about the party first and foremost, just like most dems care more for their party than the country. Louie speaks for me. He speaks for his constituents, of which I am one, and he speaks for the good of the country. He´s hitting a little too close to the truth for dems and RINOs, so he must be ridiculed and destroyed. It´s what they (and I do include the appeasers on this site) do. I DO NOT CARE about the good of nor the future of the Republican party if they do not fight this fight. Delaying it will do more harm than good, and shutting down the government is all we have. So do it. Shut the sucker down and leave it down until Nov. 14, 2014, for all I care.
Perhaps I am wrong, but even shutting down the gov´t does NOT interfere with paying out soc. sec., military retirement, etc. Essential services continue. 2014 is too late to kill Obamacare. It will be too deeply entrenched. Fund all services but exclude funds to implement Obamacare. Do what´s right and ignore what democrats say. Quit playing politics with our healthcare.
I like Louis, I stand with Louis. He at least attempts to represent the people who elected them. At least two on the panel are Demonrat "talking points" only individuals, no brain power was used in their arguments.
George Will has lived and cocktailed in the Boomtown Beltway for years and sounds like a Demonrat much of the time, when he is not sounding like a scared Republican.
Steffy is just a snarky Leftist/Liberal/Progressive who does not care that his party leader is destroying the country. He is just so thrilled that a Demonrat is in power, that´s all that matters to him.
Sorry for second post. Stop calling Obamacare insurance. Obamacare actually makes insurance illegal. An insurance policy with a high deductible which covers Big things and lets you pay for little things is not allowed. Imagine what car insurance would cost if it covered oil changes and inspections. It wouldn´t be insurance, it would be Pooled Cost Sharing.
You´re so FOS #1. I work for a Furtune 500 company, and I pay more than $500 per month for health insurance. It is not covered. The supposed "less fortunate" get it for free. Obamacare is and will be a total disaster, and it needs to be stopped, even if it means massive cuts to the non-essential government programs.
FTA: “Even though we’re one-half of the legislating body from which no spending occurs unless we agree, that is a position that allows us to force others to adhere to the Constitution,” Gohmert replied. “We don’t have to wait for the Supreme Court. We can force that. And we can say, ‘You’re going to abide by the Constitution whether the Supreme Court gets it wrong or right.’ We have the ability to force respect for the law. And some of us think that we ought to force them to do that.”
#15 gives about the most untruthful description of "shutting down the government" one can imagine. So untruthful, in fact, I wonder if it´s coming from a democrat. If you can recall the last time the government was shut down, it involved no loss ot essential services such as military pay or social security checks and the like. It only involved non-essential services.
Pick and choose what to NOT fund If the government shuts down. 1. all congress critters --administration and executive branches NO PAY 2. No foreign aide dispensed 3. No payola to the UN That should keep the country running very well. Too bad so many posters prefer to fight RINOs than liberals.
George Will lost my respect in January 2009, when he hosted a dinner party for Obama and so-called conservative columnists just before the Inauguration. I can´t remember any Democrat columnist ever hosting a dinner for a Republican president-elect. What is the purpose? George Will, Peggy Noonan, and Colin Powell might as well have sold their souls to Satan, because they certainly are traitors and should be made to wear a scarlet "T" whenever they appear as panelists on any talk show.
Anybody who thinks we can collaborate with these Marxists and "win" later is crazy. Shut it down. Now. Their whole strategy is moving it along one stage at a time until it starts, no matter how bad it is at first. They know it can´t be stopped, ever, once it gets going. Stop it at all cost!
Sorry #38 you are incorrect. Social Security payments are mandatory, Social Security staffing is appropriated. There is a difference. It did have an effect in 95 and 96 and with Obama it will have more. It doesn´t matter what issue Obama chooses, he´ll raise the debt ceiling on his own.
George Will is willfully ignorant and a tool of the left.
Defund Obamacare...we stand with Louie...
If the government shuts down..it´s Obama´s choice and his fault...The people want Obamacare Gone...Obama cannot pick and choose who has to follow the law...making Obamacare UNCONSTITUTIONAL ...a senior lecturer at U of Chicago should know that..perhaps if Obama had become a Law Professor..he would know that.
Does anyone here actually know how many House GOPers are willing to vote to "shut down" the government over ObamaCare? Without a realistic idea of how many soldiers you´ve got, all this talk about shut downs and defunding is a tempest in a teapot.
In a legislative body where 40 to 50 Republicans may be ready to cave on immigration "reform", is it realistic to expect a united front on defunding ObamaCare?
The hard fact is that elections really do have consequences. American voters chose to empower the Democrats in 3 of the last 4 election cycles. Whether or not they knew what they were doing, to some extent they are going to reap what they´ve sown.
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