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Kass: Was police killing of
95-year-old necessary?

Chicago Tribune, by John Kass

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Posted By:US Veteran, 8/4/2013 1:51:20 PM

Common sense tells me that cops don´t need a Taser or a shotgun to subdue a 95-year-old man. When John Wrana was a young man, fit and strong and fighting in World War II with the U.S. Army Air Corps, did he ever think he´d end this way? Just a few weeks shy of his 96th birthday, in need of a walker to move about, cops coming through the door of his retirement home with a Taser and a shotgun.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: provide, 8/4/2013 1:59:06 PM     (No. 9458045)

Recently, there have been many incidents of no threat citizen contacts that result in bad injuries. Local police now dress as para-military and act as such. Anyone want to tell their kids to go to a policeman for help?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: HotRodLincoln, 8/4/2013 2:16:13 PM     (No. 9458058)

This is an egregious use of excessive force. Whatever happened to the compassionate cop who calms a feeble old man down. Two foot long shoehorn? I´ve got one of those. Maybe I should hide it somewhere before someone calls the cops on me. What´s up with the staff calling in the cops for an agitated 95 year old man? How ´bout giving him a sedative and calming him down nicely. Maybe some fool orderly needs a little on the job training here. This is so wrong on so many levels I´m stunned.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: MamaD, 8/4/2013 2:17:58 PM     (No. 9458060)

Horrifying. I´m an RN with 30 years experience, and have dealt with many elderly patients who have become combative. It usually happens because of confusion, or medications, or some aspect of a disease process. Some even had some sort of weapon. Funny, I don´t recall ever needing riot shields, guns or tasers to get them calmed down. That poor man.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Italiano, 8/4/2013 2:19:24 PM     (No. 9458063)

This is happening far too frequently, with people and harmless domestic animals, and there never seem to be any consequences.

Maybe it´s time to reconsider G. Gordon Liddy´s advice. Times are definitely changing, and for the worse.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 8/4/2013 2:21:58 PM     (No. 9458066)

Fortunately for the police, the victim was white, otherwise there´d be hell to pay. A quiet settlement to the family and it never happened.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: TheMom, 8/4/2013 2:22:06 PM     (No. 9458067)

This is OUTRAGEOUS! Death panel, my eye. Killing squads, more like.


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Reply 7 - Posted by: lawless11, 8/4/2013 2:25:42 PM     (No. 9458071)

It is only a matter of time before all the cop-o-phile defenders of police brutality start chanting that if the 95 year old man would have just obeyed the cops, then he probably wouldn´t have been shot

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Reply 8 - Posted by: William1, 8/4/2013 2:33:14 PM     (No. 9458080)

I believe there are two things at play here:

1) The militarization of local police.
This may be as a result of veterans segueing into police work from military service. But, even in Iraq, we didn´t hear anything about 96 year-old arabs getting killed, as happened with this poor man.

2) The nonchalant use of "less-than-lethal" force, which I believe desensitizes cops to stand-off violence. They aren´t experiencing the violence they are perpetrating. Almost as if they are remote and removed from the activity, and are simply bystanders watching a video.

Whatever the cause, this is bestial, and will absolutely guarantee more aggressive situations and responses in the future.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: brianod1, 8/4/2013 2:58:32 PM     (No. 9458105)

The answer to the question pointed in the headline is, "No, hell no!"

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Reply 10 - Posted by: GrandmaP, 8/4/2013 3:01:00 PM     (No. 9458109)

Everyday we inch closer and closer to a police state. Pretty soon most people won´t be outraged by this sort of police behavior. The media will have you believe it was necessary.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: jalo1951, 8/4/2013 3:06:29 PM     (No. 9458114)

Two or three big, healthy men could not take control of this situation? They had to kill him? He was absolutely no threat to anyone. I am a big police supporter but in this case they need to have their ass sued.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Hammock, 8/4/2013 3:16:49 PM     (No. 9458128)

#2 the staff did not call the police. As stated in the article, he refused medical attention and the paramedics called the police. He was "wobbly on his feet".

Staff are trained to call paramedics when they have questions about a person´s medical condition, as they are not trained. Perhaps the staff could have invervened with the paramedics to calm the man before the lethal enforcers were called by the paramedics, but they probably had no idea of the risk.

The police who tased and beanbagged an old man to death will, I hope, never live it down.



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Reply 13 - Posted by: G-Tom, 8/4/2013 3:34:53 PM     (No. 9458145)

From above: "I am a big police supporter but in this case they need to have their ass sued."
And the asses to be sued are the bleeps who fired the tazors and the bean bags!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Spidey, 8/4/2013 3:40:35 PM     (No. 9458150)

I´ve always been a big fan and defender of te cops and give them the benefit of the doubt most of the time. But they do seem to be getting a little more trigger happy these days,just like the cop that killed a homeless man point blank.

I think if you´re an average cop these days,you´re slightly confused over what your role is any more.You´re not really sure if you report to the local authorities or if various orders are coming from DC.

I´m thinking that if you´re a cop and kill someone,you´re on administrative leave util you´re cleared of wrongdoing.

We also saw an FBI agent kill a Chechnyan in Fl. because he had a metal stick. I don´t think I´ve ever seen or heard of a metal stick before but apparently this killing was never investigated.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: tocsin, 8/4/2013 3:57:30 PM     (No. 9458178)

This is only one of the bad things that happens when you give affirmative action bureaucrats whose only ´´skin in the game´´ is 20/30 years & out lethal weapons.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: noddy, 8/4/2013 4:12:13 PM     (No. 9458195)

I used to have respect for the police; not any more. Returning home after surgery to find thieves in my home it took 40 minutes for cops to show up after my 911 call. Obvious evidence of footprints on the carpet and fingerprints on a jewelry cabinet were ignored when I pointed them out. Advice: call your insurance company. Within the last week or so a woman calls the police to say her husband is downstairs battling an intruder. Advice: if it gets worse call us back.

I have noticed a trend towards use of excessive force since AA, affirmative action, was pushed to the forefront. There are too many people, namely women (I´m one), who IMO do not have the strength to subdue criminals. Or to carry people out of burning buildings.

Columbine and the wife and children of the doctor, and many other instances, have shown us that Protect and Serve is not intended to protect us the people. The police appear to protect themselves first while they wait outside buildings where killings are taking place.

Cops on board: please tell me how wrong I am and how it is necessary for the police to make sure no harm will come to the police if they enter a dangerous situation. If the police are ticket writers and paper shufflers and tasar users, then we should all be issued guns.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Gram77, 8/4/2013 4:16:24 PM     (No. 9458199)

My mother had severe dementia and there were times when careful and patient handling was necessary. The worst thing that I ever saw happen at her facility was lots of soft talking, careful guidence and lots of time spent while doing so. I remember one time when this took nearly 45 minutes and NO ONE raised a hand. These people are frightned, confussed and old. Mom was 98. You know

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Gram77, 8/4/2013 4:25:51 PM     (No. 9458217)

I accidentally hit a wrong key. I wanted to close with the comment that there may be a day when this cop might be old, and scared and confussed. Never know.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 8/4/2013 4:46:22 PM     (No. 9458236)

I think this, along with the unnecessary dog shootings and other excessive use of police force, are an unfortunately side effect of training designed to keep police officers alive that tells them not to take risks and use force to control situations. It´s shifted their thinking too far from common sense. It´s also my experience that good police and bad police tend to concentrate by town. If a town has some good police, then they´ll all generally be good. If some are bad, then most of them seem to be bad. That´s probably because good police and bad police probably don´t coexist very well in each other´s culture.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: right-turn, 8/4/2013 5:13:27 PM     (No. 9458263)

Number 19 is on the right track. The cops were not old but obviously they were scared and confused. I can´t imagine any cop being so afraid of a 95 year old man without a weapon that they had to resort to violence.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: flatwater, 8/4/2013 5:18:30 PM     (No. 9458269)

Anyone who tasers a 95 year-old man is unfit to wear a badge and a gun.

Anyone who shoots a 95 year-old man with shotgun beanbag rounds in unfit to wear a badge and a gun.

Anyone who claims an old man threatened them with a shoehorn and a cane is unfit to wear a badge and a gun.

I hope the family sues the (bleep) out of both the police department and the individual officers responsible for this horror. If you´re too stupid to deal with this situation in a reasonable fashion, you´re too stupid to be in law enforcement.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Country Boy, 8/4/2013 5:44:34 PM     (No. 9458308)

I´m with #22. For the huge money most of these local cops get, they should be plenty qualified (on their own) in hand-to-hand defense to quickly end events like this, without tragedy.

I´ve been thinking, that since the school shooting in Connecticut, the cops (1 mile away), didn´t respond to the shooting for 20 minutes. Meaning that, for many cops, the entire calculus is, how does this call affect my pension?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 8/4/2013 5:46:38 PM     (No. 9458312)

No, our increasingly militarized police continue to forfeit community goodwill.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: nonsense, 8/4/2013 6:04:01 PM     (No. 9458338)

I have to agree with #24. What citizen is willing to go to a town council meeting and complain about the militarization of the local police force?

I no longer trust the police. I hope I never have to depend upon them for help because I do not trust them to control their "trigger" finger. A sad comment on the change of our local police from peace-keepers to swat teams.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: richwill, 8/4/2013 6:16:31 PM     (No. 9458357)

This is the latest in "death panels."

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Reply 26 - Posted by: trashcann, 8/4/2013 6:17:48 PM     (No. 9458363)

Yesterday I watched a rerun of Adam 12 where a 85 year old former cowboy was locked in his room and claimed to have a gun. (An old sharps rifle) He was refusing to go to a rest home. Reed and Malloy talked to him and established a bond with him and all was well. Today the old guy would be lying dead in his room. Jack Webb was the biggest police supporter in the history of media but I wonder what he would think of the way Swat teams are being used today.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: ArtieC, 8/4/2013 6:53:49 PM     (No. 9458417)

That old man must have been a real handful for those swaggering young cops. And not one could have disarmed an almost 100 year old man.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Smaj, 8/4/2013 7:11:30 PM     (No. 9458429)

Ill-trained morons with ZERO common sense use the same procedures they´d use on an amped up 20-year miscreant. I hope the family sues the pants off the "officers" who tased and shot Mr. Wrana and the city. Do you suppose when Mr. Wrana was braving enemy fire in World War II he ever imagined he would survive that only to be murdered by out-of-control cops? The police in this country are rapidly losing the trust and support of the one group they can ill afford to lose- the normal taxpaying, law abiding citizen.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Balogreene, 8/4/2013 8:10:53 PM     (No. 9458473)

As I´ve said for a longtime, may these policemen someday be 95, with a cane and a shoehorn, facing young cops too dumb to know the truth.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Steele81, 8/4/2013 8:35:32 PM     (No. 9458492)

This kind of craziness does seem to be happening more and more, but back in the day when my sons were in high school and collegel I advised them never to let anybody search their vehicle without parents/and or lawyer present. you just never know when you might encounter a bad cop. No paranoia, just very careful.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: TruthAndJustice, 8/4/2013 9:39:14 PM     (No. 9458559)

This is in Illinois...where Obama´s people and AA reign...Was this a hate crime against a white man?

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Reply 32 - Posted by: snakeoil, 8/4/2013 9:56:25 PM     (No. 9458587)

They could have waited 10 minutes until he fell asleep and taken his deadly weapons. The guy´s wife was dead, he was happy at the assisted living home and didn´t want to go to the hospital. It should have been his choice. Not the goon squad.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: jacksin5, 8/4/2013 10:39:31 PM     (No. 9458607)

This is why Mayberry never let Barney be Sheriff.

This is despicable.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Trigger2, 8/5/2013 5:28:46 AM     (No. 9458773)

All this unnecessary and illegal force came about after the stupid goobermint started militarizing the cops. The cops then use any excuse to try out their shiny new equipment and exert their Barry civilian army force. Get used to it.

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Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote in her forthcoming book that she was “hurt” and “angry” by 2012 reporting on her fraudulent claim to Native American heritage. “What really threw me, though, were the constant attacks from the other side,” Warren wrote in her book “A Fighting Chance.” “I would almost persuade myself that I was starting to get the hang of full-throttle campaigning and then — bam! Out of left field, the state Republican Party, or the Brown campaign, or some blogger, would launch a rocket at me,” Warren wrote, adding, ”I was stunned by the attacks.” This reporter (blogger?) reported extensively

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
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Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

White is not right: Campus admins ask
for help weeding out white people

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Daily Caller, by Robby Soave    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 7:47:18 PM     Post Reply
Western Washington University sent a questionnaire to students asking them for advice on how the administration could succeed at making sure that in future years, “we are not as white as we are today.” The question notes that WWU’s racial make up does not perfectly reflect the nation at large, and asks students to consider strategies that other universities have used to focus on skin color as the paramount indicator of a student-applicant’s worth. The president of WWU has stated that his explicit goal is to reduce the white population on campus, according to Campus Reform. “I’ve said before and I’ll say it

Progressive Insurance
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National Review Online, by Victor Davis Hanson    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 10:08:10 PM     Post Reply
How do you ensure that you won’t be ostracized, denounced, or fired if you are a media celebrity, captain of industry, or high public official? For some, sexist banter is certainly no problem. Stand-up comedian Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a c–t and a tw-t, but suffered no ill consequences. David Letterman joked on air that Sarah Palin’s 14-year-old daughter had had sex with Alex Rodriguez during a New York Yankees game. There was no downside to that either. President Obama tosses around “sweetie” as he wishes. No problem with that. No one believes Barack could be condescending to women.

Former US president joins
opposition to Keystone XL

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Houston Chronicle, by Jennifer A. Dlouhy    Original Article
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WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Why is US Senator Harry
Reid so concerned with
a local Nevada rancher?

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Fox News, by Wayne Allyn Root    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 9:37:12 PM     Post Reply
I live in Las Vegas. I live and breath Nevada politics. Something is very wrong. Something smells rotten in the Nevada desert. And Senator Harry Reid’s fingerprints are all over it. I am of course referring to the Bundy Ranch siege. This was a dispute between a Nevada ranching family with rights to the land in question for 140 years and the BLM (Bureayu of Land Management). The government claims they haven’t paid grazing fees for 20 years. The result was a government assault on the ranch- including snipers with assault rifles, SUV’s, helicopters, airplanes and over 200 heavily armed troops. No


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