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FBI pressures Internet providers
to install surveillance software

CNET, by Declan McCullagh

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 8/3/2013 1:04:50 PM

The U.S. government is quietly pressuring telecommunications providers to install eavesdropping technology deep inside companies´ internal networks to facilitate surveillance efforts. FBI officials have been sparring with carriers, a process that has on occasion included threats of contempt of court, in a bid to deploy government-provided software capable of intercepting and analyzing entire communications streams. The FBI´s legal position during these discussions is that the software´s real-time interception of metadata is authorized under the Patriot Act. Attempts by the FBI to install what it internally refers to as "port reader" software, which have not been previously disclosed, were described

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 8/3/2013 1:07:39 PM     (No. 9456581)

Our laws are woefully out of date, particularly our wire-tapping statutes.

Still, probable cause is probable cause and warrants are warrants.

A blank check to listen in the whole of the Internet is farcical as well as dangerous.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: shamus, 8/3/2013 1:14:27 PM     (No. 9456597)

Turnkey dictatorship.


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Reply 3 - Posted by: Refried, 8/3/2013 1:21:48 PM     (No. 9456614)

Sieg Heil!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: mc squared, 8/3/2013 1:23:23 PM     (No. 9456620)

...and in 1936 a new Germany will rise...

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Emmajustin, 8/3/2013 1:35:47 PM     (No. 9456641)

I am going back to the mail service, and I will write with a cypher.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: busterman, 8/3/2013 1:49:18 PM     (No. 9456662)

Anyone want to defend these actions? Still think it´s all about ´national security´?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: MeiDei, 8/3/2013 2:00:47 PM     (No. 9456682)

Dirty business. Again, an old saying:

Never give your best friend a power over you that you wouldn´t want your enemy to have.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Bohallx, 8/3/2013 2:00:52 PM     (No. 9456683)

#1 ~ before you skip down the road to ´probable cause´ and ´warrant´ please ponder REASONABLE and UNREASONABLE.

That´s where the argument is with the courts ~ once it´s determined to be an unreasonable search, or that a crime may be involved where the information may be taken to court to prosecute someone, that´s when the courts look to the other two terms.

Today´s process is pretty much the same as it has been or the last few thousand years. That is, that some things are ´reasonable´ ~ e.g. because you can just stand there and see it, hear it, feel it ~ and other things are ´not reasonable´ becuase you have to open doors, open chests, walk through doors, look through containers ~ or violate rights of ownership and possession (when seizure of tangibles is involved).

FISA court judges and Congress have been wrestling with the previous standards to make them apply to the circumstances surrounding modern electronic communications.

You might not agree with what they´ve come up with, but at a minimum you can FORESWEAR the use of electronic communications and evade their purview completely.

Then, the only way they could track you in your rounds from the 7/11 to the barbershop to the grocery store would be to put a tracking device on your body ~ and that would NOT BE REASONABLE so they´d need probable cause and warrants.

Oh, and I´d stay of public right of way and even underground power, sewer and water easements if you can.

That´s what I do, but that´s just me ~ ha ha ha ha!!!


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Reply 9 - Posted by: MirJoy, 8/3/2013 2:24:02 PM     (No. 9456716)

Went to my public library this morning and asked them if they were ordering "Liberty Amendments" by Mark Levin, and, wonder-of-wonders, it IS on order and I am first in line to get the book. I did it, really, to nudge them a little because I always get the feeling that there is some very subtle p.c. ness going on in the library and it´s only fair that conservative books are on the shelves as well. Anyway, all of us should ask our libraries if they are getting the book because I always thought that the FBI were for the people not the government. We´ve got to learn our rights!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: bugger, 8/3/2013 2:48:52 PM     (No. 9456749)

I guess the next logical step will be to install a federal agent in every home in America to catch anything they might be missing on the phones, internet, snail mail and vehicle surveillance. They are planning to do something VERY bad. We cannot have Americans communicating with each other and not know what is being said.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: WimeTarmerFable, 8/3/2013 2:53:00 PM     (No. 9456758)

Betcha Al Qaeda will do something which will give the regime carte Blanche....this is going to be an interesting week. Oh Helllllllllllloooooooo UTAH!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Dixie, 8/3/2013 3:40:58 PM     (No. 9456848)

I remember all the dastardly things President George W. Bush apparently was doing after 9/11.

And now look at how far the government has gone to rob us of our various freedoms.

The Leftist people I know have been strangely silent about this sort of thing, claiming not to know anything about it when I bring up the subject of private citizen surveillance without probable cause, of IRS abuses, of Benghazi coverups....

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Reply 13 - Posted by: mickturn, 8/3/2013 3:48:55 PM     (No. 9456864)

SO FBI, what part of illegal don´t you understand?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 8/3/2013 4:20:17 PM     (No. 9456897)

I`m still waiting for Bruce Springstein to denounce Obama`s invasive tactics.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: curious1, 8/3/2013 7:53:44 PM     (No. 9457095)

#8, also, consider using serious encryption on all your emails and the TOR network on all your travels. No sense doing your daily life in public - make them have to show probable cause and get a warrant.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Bohallx, 8/3/2013 9:12:15 PM     (No. 9457161)

#15 ~ eliminating public right of way and returning to privately owned roads would do wonders to clarify who can stand where and watch what, right?

We persist in living in the public´s eye and imagining that somehow we have a screen of total privacy around us ~ that´s not going to happen without some serious effort.

The point was to make sure one reads the entire 14th amendment critically, not just the parts one prefers. Most people don´t have the slightest idea what a reasonable ´search´ is about but they exist.

Then there´s the concept called ´evesdropping´ ~ that was probably a hot topic in that cave in Spain where they found the remains of those Neanderthal cannibals who died out 35,000 years ago ~ they´d be whispering about each other Fur Shur and craining their necks to ´evesdrop´ ~ wonder how they resolved the disputes!



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