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Scientists Seek to Rein
In Diagnoses of Cancer

New York Times, by Tara Parker-Pope

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A group of experts advising the nation’s premier cancer research institution has recommended sweeping changes in the approach to cancer detection and treatment, including changes in the very definition of cancer and eliminating the word entirely from some common diagnoses. (Snip) The group, which includes some of the top scientists in cancer research, also suggested that many lesions detected during breast, prostate, thyroid, lung and other cancer screenings should not be called cancer at all but should instead be reclassified as IDLE conditions, which stands for “indolent lesions of

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Image all those that got the vapors way back when Sarah Palin referred to "death panels" coming because of 0bamaCare. Next, AIDS will be taken off the killer list since there are expensive drugs that will allow mostly homosexuals, who are never openly reported when they are primary carriers, who will lead long lives.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Soldiers Father, 7/30/2013 1:11:17 AM     (No. 9449041)

They changed the meaning of marriage, so why not cancer?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Hammock, 7/30/2013 1:23:09 AM     (No. 9449046)

I had two friends whose cancer was being "monitored" or "watched" rather than treated. One had early breast cancer, which I suppose was Ductal Carcinoma in Situ, as I don´t imagine they would have just "followed" any other kind of breast cancer. The other had a slightly elevated PSA that they were going to "watch". My friends would have had a better chance had they been treated rather than futzed around with.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: KTWO, 7/30/2013 1:31:54 AM     (No. 9449049)

And redefine death as possibly undetected life, PUD. That should improve some medical statistics. Other statistics can be ignored.

The medical profession should consult the Department Of Labor about the production of agreeable statistics.

When a person enters PUD status the government will take control of his/her income and estate. It will be held in trust in case the person springs back to life and need it again.



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Reply 4 - Posted by: suedotsue, 7/30/2013 2:39:49 AM     (No. 9449070)

They already said no more men´s prostate tests, not a single one, they said they don´t help in fact they harm. Before that they said many women´s tests aren´t needed either.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Proud Texan, 7/30/2013 3:01:49 AM     (No. 9449078)

WOW! This kinda reminds me of the 60´s when some democrat in congress wanted to outlaw August or September, (i don´t remember which) because there were too many hurricanes. This was back when the glaciers of the new ice age were knocking at our door.

Close to the subject, I would already have a dead sister, a dead mother, a dead father, and I would have been dead a long time ago with these obamacare rules. As it is I get to enjoy having a full family. Any time their new rules cause anyone´s death, the people on the panels along with the dims that voted for it should have another count of premeditated murder to deal with.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: lil dotty, 7/30/2013 3:07:43 AM     (No. 9449081)

Per E. Cummings
"Death is a part of life" with
an equal opportunity to first-hand experience


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Reply 7 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 7/30/2013 3:10:15 AM     (No. 9449084)

If only half the people were going to die of their not-quite-cancer condition, why spend money treating them?

Let´s take a chance, and save some money. By the time their cancer really takes off, it´ll be too late. Then the government can save money on their social security and medicare, too.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: deepthinker, 7/30/2013 3:12:48 AM     (No. 9449086)

Well I guess that proves the greatness of Obamacare!! We define a bunch of conditions as "not cancer" and in a few years point out how the published stats for cancer rates have plummeted. Kudos for the ONE--death for some old white people.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Spidey, 7/30/2013 3:31:26 AM     (No. 9449095)

Left wing scientists have actually bastardized the true meaning of the word science.Speculation by these people is now considered science,even though the conclusions have an emotional bias.For example,scientists couldn´t care less about black or brown bears but they have a careful eye on polar
bears because it advances a political agenda,

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Crosscut, 7/30/2013 4:07:07 AM     (No. 9449110)

Is this some of kind of sneaky ploy of Obamacare in preparation for when the death panels begin calling the shots regarding our healthcare?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Country Boy, 7/30/2013 4:08:14 AM     (No. 9449112)

Nobody is cutting back on Colonoscopy screening, so maybe this new thinking on other cancers is legit. Just read about Sam Simon (age 58) creator of The Simpsons, has terminal colorectal cancer. Guess he took a pass on the early screening.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: gaeditor, 7/30/2013 6:57:43 AM     (No. 9449196)

I just went through a diagnosis of DCIS -stage ZERO. Hooray, but my surgeon announced to me first, "Well you have cancer. But its stage zero." Which I didn´t really understand, (which she quickly realized) but I was sent to the radiologist (who explained why I didn´t need her) and the oncologist and on and on. I´m not questioning their great care and concern, but eventually my oncologist said, "Well, your cancer is like a polyp in your intestine. It is cancer, technically, but it kind of..isn´t. Its a pre-cancer." He is amazing, highly respected, very well-known in his field. That´s what they mean.

As a side note, they recommended that I take a drug called Tamoxifin. (Lots of women take it, even without breast cancer.) It gave me a fatty liver and two attacks of pancreatitis. (Trust me, you do NOT want that; so painful all they can do is knock you out for a few days.)Now I have the fatty liver to deal with.

I think that may be what they mean. They overdo sometimes because doctors are trained or are the type of people to "take care" of you. Not that they don´t want to treat people, but currently, they are a little treatment-happy, pill-happy, or at least in my case, and wound up causing me even bigger problems.



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Reply 13 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 7/30/2013 7:42:41 AM     (No. 9449239)

I smell a rat; a big, ugly Democrat rat of the Obamacare poitispeak variety. Coming soon to a clinic near you.

The ADD and ADHD diagnoses in the newly discovered ´´disease´´ they will leave entirely alone so that perfectly normal but active young adults can eat parents out of house and home until their mid-twenties.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 7/30/2013 8:51:30 AM     (No. 9449342)

When it was our insurance company paying for the biopsy and treatment it was cancer. Now that "Obamanoncare" is coming soon, they need to quickly reclassify what needs to be diagnosed and treated. They are already saying that mammograms no longer need to be done annually.
Now they want to start calling that precancerous polyp a non-invasive group of cells that we need to keep an eye on. And coming soon - a colonoscopy will not be needed until age 65, and there will be no need to do one after age 75.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: anonymous, 7/30/2013 8:59:11 AM     (No. 9449356)

I´m of the view that cancer is over-diagnosed and that many "cancer sufferers" are intimidated into using poisonous drug treatments to prevent the tumors from supposedly spreading. Big pharmaceutical companies have contributed to this culture because it has produced enormous profits for them.

It´s my view that, in quite a number of cases, chemotherapy kills cancer patients long before the cancer would have.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: tennisbum, 7/30/2013 9:20:28 AM     (No. 9449393)

I am a cancer patient. These esteemed scientists, really and how did they become esteemed, can put polish on the pig but it remains a pig. So we now need new definitions of cancer....".You have almost cancer, may be some day cancer but not just yet cancer and maybe never will be cancer". Not to worry, Be happy.

Run quickly away from these doctors. They are mostly bureaucrats who sometimes see real patients, unfortunately for the patients.

I have had 10 cancer surgeries..left kidney removed (diagnosed renal cell carcinoma that had consumed most of my kidney..cancer for sure); upper left lobe of my lung removed (adenocarcinoma and I don´t smoke); 8 melanoma surgeries...Stage III) radiation, chemo, a vaccine and immune system stimulating drugs. The reason I´m still alive is that each of the cancers were caught early as well as the recurrences thanks to checkups, scans and biopsies.

I am blessed to have an oncologist who doesn´t place a lot of value in word semantics. Sadly, lots of patients trust these bureaucrats with their lives and they will lose.


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Reply 17 - Posted by: mitzi, 7/30/2013 9:27:28 AM     (No. 9449399)

I suspect that they´ve found that there are some common procedures and popular drugs that cause cancer, and it´s less problematic to change the diagnosis than to face facts about those procedures and drugs.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: pineledger, 7/30/2013 9:27:33 AM     (No. 9449400)

A very frightening development from the same crowd who was so sure Obamacare was the way to go. Remember all those white coats?

They are stripping away healthcare, not advancing it.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: OhMy, 7/30/2013 9:51:33 AM     (No. 9449450)

Obamacare is not yet fully implemented and already there are fewer people dying of cancer. This will bend the cost curve down so there will be enough money to fund the massive bureaucracy to run Obamacare - that is unless they spend it all hiring doctors and nurses. Their work is so important it should be done for free. It is OK to charge for frivolous things but real necessities should be free. The doctors can always use their training to become vets and charge to care for peoples pets! /s

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Reply 20 - Posted by: OhMy, 7/30/2013 10:27:31 AM     (No. 9449505)

Please forgive the extra post but #16 just google Ketogenic diet & Cancer and/or Dr Thomas Seyfried and find a doctor who will put these insights into action. The short version is that cancer feeds on blood sugar but can´t use ketones. Healthy cells can run on ketones so if you get the blood sugar down and the ketones up the cancer is stopped.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Skeptical1, 7/30/2013 11:05:07 AM     (No. 9449578)

From what I´ve read, over-diagnosis is a legitimate concern, with good arguments on both sides. I don´t think it´s necessary to impugn people´s motives.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Cinwasp, 7/30/2013 11:18:49 AM     (No. 9449609)

Over diagnosis is often a defense used by the physician against getting sued for "non-treatment"


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Reply 23 - Posted by: RancherJack, 7/30/2013 11:32:57 AM     (No. 9449634)

Think words don´t matter? Check out ´silly´

From Old English, Norse, West Germanic it originally meant happy; to comfort; blessed; blissful.

Protestant work ethic language inflection morphed this wonderful word from blissful, to pious to innocent to harmless then to pitiable to weak to feeble minded and finally to a synonym for foolishness.

Words matter.

This is all about the Death Panels.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: tennisbum, 7/30/2013 11:35:45 AM     (No. 9449640)

I just love those who have never heard the words "You have cancer" pontificate about what they´d do or not do what with all of the over-diagnoses, unnecessary treatments being done today. So they´d go home, take an aspirin and wait for another 5 years and get checked again to see if it had changed (grown).......RIGHT!!! Stage IV means it has spread to organs and the outcome is not usually good. So, it would seem logical to me, I´m not a scientist(and don´t pla y one on TV), that if the cancer is caught early enough, there is an excellent chance for a positive outcome. Scans, biopsies and then surgery, radiation and/or chemo would seem to make sense to me. Watching and waiting is a fool´s strategy. I repeat, if it has grown, it could have most likely spread . Each person has choices. Semantics only confuses the issue.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Sandbar, 7/30/2013 11:37:36 AM     (No. 9449645)

I´ve had three cancer surgeries in the past 13 years for three, the doctors believe, unrelated cancers. The last, in my left upper lung lobe was diagnosed approx 20 years ago as a "spot" in my lung. They regularly monitored it and two years ago it suddenly started growing. A quick biopsy, diagnosed as malignant, they removed the lobe and case closed. Monitoring is sometimes the way to go.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: xique, 7/30/2013 11:58:32 AM     (No. 9449701)

Right, #20. Hyperbaric oxygen plus a ketone diet is a way to go.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 7/30/2013 2:35:20 PM     (No. 9449943)

Thank you, #s 20 and 26... Have had two types of cancer, and after out-patient surgery, was admitted the next day through the ER to a 12-day hospital stay with a painful abscess infection... "Unrelated" to surgery!

My doctor and head oncologist both recommended chemo... those 12 days were a blessing in disguise as it gave me time to do my homework on cancer...

UCLA grad, Leigh Erin Connealy, from "Cancer is Curable" DVD and Center for New Medicine here in OC is my GP and friend...

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Clinger, 7/30/2013 3:13:35 PM     (No. 9449998)

Finally a cure for cancer and in my lifetime, I feel better already. No doubt there is a need for some clarity, three of the people closest to me have had cancer ranging from a routine technically cancer but "no harm no foul" to only a few weeks to live. Then again I wasn´t stupid enough to panic at one end or take the other lightly.

Expect some of the government recommended guidelines to continue to call for less action and for the rules regarding who can perform what task to be loosened. We´ll be going to Wallmart to be treated by someone with only vocational training for treatments we used to be required to pay Doctors to perform in hospitals.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Highvoltage, 7/30/2013 4:09:48 PM     (No. 9450058)

Could this be Democrats secret method to save SS and Medicare´s trust fund? After all early death = shorter draw on the funds.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: smcchk, 7/30/2013 4:12:28 PM     (No. 9450061)

#12, just had a stage 0 or 1 breast cancer scare last week. Very luckily, it was benign but my surgeon husband never hesitated that I would have surgery ASAP first and then radiation after if it had not been. I am sorry for your complications. That is debilitating and discouraging! I too worry that this re-classification is just a warmup for less aggressive treatment We will be visiting a friend, from Canada, who is dying of colon cancer, which should have been entirely treatable with more vigilant medical care than they have in Canada.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: tatterdemalion, 7/30/2013 8:15:03 PM     (No. 9450343)

Before long it will be a crime against the people to sneeze.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: jorgecito, 7/30/2013 9:05:51 PM     (No. 9450387)

#12, I hope that what you´re saying is what is really going on here.

If I understand your post correctly, you´re describing how doctors tend to over-diagnose cancer, and over-treat "pre-cancerous" conditions ... with treatments that sometimes may be worse than the original condition.

There is a lot of over-treatment that has gone on for years, and it has not been for the good of patients.

Unfortunately, with ObamaCare, the pendulum is probably about to swing completely to the opposite side, i.e. to severe under-treatment of those whom Big Brother State deems lebensunwertes Leben.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 7/30/2013 9:18:49 PM     (No. 9450398)

Welcome to the sleight of hand, hocus pocus of Obamacare.
Cancer will no longer be termed cancer, just inconvenient spots on livers, lungs and breasts.
Expensive diagnostic tests and treatment will no longer be required.
And Voila !
The death rates from cancer will suddenly decline under Obamacare.
The media will declare Obamacare a success , despite the unnecessary deaths
of many from treatable neoplasms.


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Reply 34 - Posted by: so_free_me, 7/30/2013 11:21:04 PM     (No. 9450483)

Disagree entirely with most of you. I read a book called "should I be tested for cancer? Maybe not and here´s why" several years ago. What an eye opener. Many, many people have had invasive surgeries and horrific treatments because someone in the pathology lab found an anomaly in the biopsy and terrified the patient. They probably never were going to get breast cancer or prostate cancer but they were so alarmed they went ahead with the invasive and expensive treatments.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: NotaBene, 7/31/2013 12:28:36 AM     (No. 9450515)

Previous poster is wrong. These are the Death Panels our Sarah warned about. These intraepithelial neoplasias progress into metastatic cancer. If you have one have SURGERY if you want to live. Cancer is cancer.

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Following the massacre of grammar-school children in Newtown, Conn., in December 2012, high-powered weapons have been used to kill innocent victims in more senseless public incidents. Those killings, however, are only a fragment of the total harm caused by the misuse of firearms. Each year, more than 30,000 people die in the United States in firearm-related incidents. Many of those deaths involve handguns. The adoption of rules that will lessen the number of those incidents should be a matter of primary concern to both federal and state legislators. Legislatures are in a far better position than judges to assess the

Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins
´Range War´ With Feds

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ABC News, by Liz Fields    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/12/2014 3:33:27 PM     Post Reply
A Nevada cattle rancher appears to have won his week-long battle with the federal government over a controversial cattle roundup that had led to the arrest of several protesters. Cliven Bundy went head to head with the Bureau of Land Management over the removal of hundreds of his cattle from federal land, where the government said they were grazing illegally. Bundy claims his herd of roughly 900 cattle have grazed on the land along the riverbed near Bunkerville, 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, since 1870 and threatened a "range war" against the BLM on the Bundy Ranch website after one of

Sunk: Climate change threatens to
flood world´s largest Navy base
warns Gov. Terry McAuliffe

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/11/2014 4:08:01 PM     Post Reply
Recently elected Democratic Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe is warning that global warming could raise sea levels high enough to flood the Hampton Roads region, home to the world´s largest naval base, without immediate and “smart decisions.” Addressing an environmental summit this week at the Virginia Military Institute in Lexington, Va., McAuliffe embraced climate change, blamed humans for causing it, and said action is needed now to protect Virginia´s coast from rising ocean levels that will result from global warming. “The first big decision of course is to accept that climate change is real,” he told the group. “I happen to believe in

Barbara Boxer Says Keystone
Pipeline a Cancer Risk

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Breitbart California, by William Bigelow    Original Article
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Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) is now accusing the Keystone pipeline of being a cancer risk. Her first point was that the pipeline “will bring 830,000 barrels of dirty tar sands oil into our nation every day.” She then segued to point #2 by asserting that the heavy tar sands oil will put people who live near refineries at risk for cancer: Significantly higher levels of dangerous air pollutants and carcinogens have been documented downwind from tar sands refineries, and in these areas people are suffering higher rates of the types of cancers linked to these toxic chemicals, including leukemia and

President Obama stands by Rev. Al Sharpton
while accusing Republicans of trying
to restrict the right to vote

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New York Daily News, by Celeste Katz & Annie Karni    Original Article
Posted By: Flyright- 4/12/2014 7:02:39 AM     Post Reply
President Obama stood Friday with the Rev. Al Sharpton and accused Republicans of trying to keep millions of Americans from voting, in a fiery speech days after new revelations about Sharpton’s past as an FBI informant. “The right to vote is threatened today in a way that it has not been since the Voting Rights Act became law nearly five decades ago,” Obama told the annual convention of Sharpton’s National Action Network in Manhattan. Obama’s appearance represented a presidential seal of approval of Sharpton’s role as a civil rights activist, amid the new revelations about how Sharpton used a wire to record

White House Denies ’09 Fort Hood Victim´s
Request for Meeting With Obama

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ABC News, by Lee Ferran    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/11/2014 6:08:03 PM     Post Reply
As President Obama spoke of old "wounds” at Fort Hood this week, the White House declined a request from a survivor of the 2009 massacre there to meet with Obama for a few minutes so the veteran could explain face-to-face how he believes the government has mistreated and disrespected the victims of that attack. Staff Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford (ret.) was shot seven times in November 2009 when Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan opened fire at Fort Hood, killing 13 people. Despite Hasan’s admission that he carried out the attack on behalf of the Taliban and revelations that he had been

Jeb Bush defends ‘act of love’
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Politico, by Maggie Haberman    Original Article
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STAMFORD, Conn. — Jeb Bush defended his controversial comments about immigration reform, insisting they were nothing new for him and urging “sensitivity to the immigrant experience.” At a Connecticut Republican party dinner Thursday night, the former Republican governor of Florida did not repeat his remarks from last weekend at his father’s presidential library, when he said that people who come to the United States illegally in search of a better life for their children “broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love.” This time the potential 2016 candidate put it differently. “To be young and

Media-Suppressed Nevada Case History
Shines Truth on Government Ranch invaders

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Canada Free Press, by Judi McLeod    Original Article
Posted By: snowcloud- 4/11/2014 12:08:32 PM     Post Reply
Coming clearly through the throbbing of helicopters and the roar of the SUVS of the feds harassing the Cliven Bundy Ranch, patriots there for Bundy should “tell it to the judge”. There is mainstream media-suppressed case history in Nevada the feds are desperately trying to keep under wraps. Chief Judge Robert C. Jones of the Federal District Court of Nevada smacked down high-handed, abusive feds, sending the pretend cowboys riding roughshod over Western ranchers and property owners back to their cobweb-laced offices in 2013. In spite of their 200 armed snipers with boy toys in tow, those Stetson-wearing feds hunkering down on Cliven

Obama decries ‘bogus’
voter fraud complaints

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The Hill [Washington, DC], by Justin Sink    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/11/2014 8:18:44 PM     Post Reply
President Obama labeled complaints about voter fraud “bogus” and accused Republicans of cynically trying to prevent Americans from accessing the polls in a fiery speech Friday at a civil rights forum hosted by Al Sharpton. Obama argued that attempts in some states to impose new voter identification restrictions were actually efforts by Republicans to make “it harder, not easier to vote.” And the president said that while voter fraud should be prevented, it rarely occurred. “So let´s be clear, the real voter fraud is the people who try to deny our rights by making bogus arguments about voter fraud,” Obama said. Obama

Victory for Nevada´s last rancher!
Federal government backs down and
says it will NOT try to seize cattle from
cowboy at the centre of armed showdown

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Daily Mail [UK], by Ryan Gorman*    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/12/2014 2:34:02 PM     Post Reply
The last rancher in southern Nevada has won his battle to graze cows on public land after a week-long stand off with federal agents. The Bureau of Land Management today said it would stop trying to seize the cattle of Cliven Bundy after armed militia members today continuing to gather in Nevada in a confrontation with federal agents. BLM Director Neil Kornze said: ´Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of


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