A group of experts advising the nation’s premier cancer research institution has recommended sweeping changes in the approach to cancer detection and treatment, including changes in the very definition of cancer and eliminating the word entirely from some common diagnoses. (Snip) The group, which includes some of the top scientists in cancer research, also suggested that many lesions detected during breast, prostate, thyroid, lung and other cancer screenings should not be called cancer at all but should instead be reclassified as IDLE conditions, which stands for “indolent lesions of
Comments: Image all those that got the vapors way back when Sarah Palin referred to "death panels" coming because of 0bamaCare. Next, AIDS will be taken off the killer list since there are expensive drugs that will allow mostly homosexuals, who are never openly reported when they are primary carriers, who will lead long lives.
I had two friends whose cancer was being "monitored" or "watched" rather than treated. One had early breast cancer, which I suppose was Ductal Carcinoma in Situ, as I don´t imagine they would have just "followed" any other kind of breast cancer. The other had a slightly elevated PSA that they were going to "watch". My friends would have had a better chance had they been treated rather than futzed around with.
WOW! This kinda reminds me of the 60´s when some democrat in congress wanted to outlaw August or September, (i don´t remember which) because there were too many hurricanes. This was back when the glaciers of the new ice age were knocking at our door.
Close to the subject, I would already have a dead sister, a dead mother, a dead father, and I would have been dead a long time ago with these obamacare rules. As it is I get to enjoy having a full family. Any time their new rules cause anyone´s death, the people on the panels along with the dims that voted for it should have another count of premeditated murder to deal with.
Well I guess that proves the greatness of Obamacare!! We define a bunch of conditions as "not cancer" and in a few years point out how the published stats for cancer rates have plummeted. Kudos for the ONE--death for some old white people.
Left wing scientists have actually bastardized the true meaning of the word science.Speculation by these people is now considered science,even though the conclusions have an emotional bias.For example,scientists couldn´t care less about black or brown bears but they have a careful eye on polar bears because it advances a political agenda,
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Country Boy, 7/30/2013 4:08:14 AM (No. 9449112)
Nobody is cutting back on Colonoscopy screening, so maybe this new thinking on other cancers is legit. Just read about Sam Simon (age 58) creator of The Simpsons, has terminal colorectal cancer. Guess he took a pass on the early screening.
I just went through a diagnosis of DCIS -stage ZERO. Hooray, but my surgeon announced to me first, "Well you have cancer. But its stage zero." Which I didn´t really understand, (which she quickly realized) but I was sent to the radiologist (who explained why I didn´t need her) and the oncologist and on and on. I´m not questioning their great care and concern, but eventually my oncologist said, "Well, your cancer is like a polyp in your intestine. It is cancer, technically, but it kind of..isn´t. Its a pre-cancer." He is amazing, highly respected, very well-known in his field. That´s what they mean.
As a side note, they recommended that I take a drug called Tamoxifin. (Lots of women take it, even without breast cancer.) It gave me a fatty liver and two attacks of pancreatitis. (Trust me, you do NOT want that; so painful all they can do is knock you out for a few days.)Now I have the fatty liver to deal with.
I think that may be what they mean. They overdo sometimes because doctors are trained or are the type of people to "take care" of you. Not that they don´t want to treat people, but currently, they are a little treatment-happy, pill-happy, or at least in my case, and wound up causing me even bigger problems.
I smell a rat; a big, ugly Democrat rat of the Obamacare poitispeak variety. Coming soon to a clinic near you.
The ADD and ADHD diagnoses in the newly discovered ´´disease´´ they will leave entirely alone so that perfectly normal but active young adults can eat parents out of house and home until their mid-twenties.
When it was our insurance company paying for the biopsy and treatment it was cancer. Now that "Obamanoncare" is coming soon, they need to quickly reclassify what needs to be diagnosed and treated. They are already saying that mammograms no longer need to be done annually. Now they want to start calling that precancerous polyp a non-invasive group of cells that we need to keep an eye on. And coming soon - a colonoscopy will not be needed until age 65, and there will be no need to do one after age 75.
I´m of the view that cancer is over-diagnosed and that many "cancer sufferers" are intimidated into using poisonous drug treatments to prevent the tumors from supposedly spreading. Big pharmaceutical companies have contributed to this culture because it has produced enormous profits for them.
It´s my view that, in quite a number of cases, chemotherapy kills cancer patients long before the cancer would have.
I am a cancer patient. These esteemed scientists, really and how did they become esteemed, can put polish on the pig but it remains a pig. So we now need new definitions of cancer....".You have almost cancer, may be some day cancer but not just yet cancer and maybe never will be cancer". Not to worry, Be happy.
Run quickly away from these doctors. They are mostly bureaucrats who sometimes see real patients, unfortunately for the patients.
I have had 10 cancer surgeries..left kidney removed (diagnosed renal cell carcinoma that had consumed most of my kidney..cancer for sure); upper left lobe of my lung removed (adenocarcinoma and I don´t smoke); 8 melanoma surgeries...Stage III) radiation, chemo, a vaccine and immune system stimulating drugs. The reason I´m still alive is that each of the cancers were caught early as well as the recurrences thanks to checkups, scans and biopsies.
I am blessed to have an oncologist who doesn´t place a lot of value in word semantics. Sadly, lots of patients trust these bureaucrats with their lives and they will lose.
I suspect that they´ve found that there are some common procedures and popular drugs that cause cancer, and it´s less problematic to change the diagnosis than to face facts about those procedures and drugs.
Obamacare is not yet fully implemented and already there are fewer people dying of cancer. This will bend the cost curve down so there will be enough money to fund the massive bureaucracy to run Obamacare - that is unless they spend it all hiring doctors and nurses. Their work is so important it should be done for free. It is OK to charge for frivolous things but real necessities should be free. The doctors can always use their training to become vets and charge to care for peoples pets! /s
Please forgive the extra post but #16 just google Ketogenic diet & Cancer and/or Dr Thomas Seyfried and find a doctor who will put these insights into action. The short version is that cancer feeds on blood sugar but can´t use ketones. Healthy cells can run on ketones so if you get the blood sugar down and the ketones up the cancer is stopped.
From Old English, Norse, West Germanic it originally meant happy; to comfort; blessed; blissful.
Protestant work ethic language inflection morphed this wonderful word from blissful, to pious to innocent to harmless then to pitiable to weak to feeble minded and finally to a synonym for foolishness.
I just love those who have never heard the words "You have cancer" pontificate about what they´d do or not do what with all of the over-diagnoses, unnecessary treatments being done today. So they´d go home, take an aspirin and wait for another 5 years and get checked again to see if it had changed (grown).......RIGHT!!! Stage IV means it has spread to organs and the outcome is not usually good. So, it would seem logical to me, I´m not a scientist(and don´t pla y one on TV), that if the cancer is caught early enough, there is an excellent chance for a positive outcome. Scans, biopsies and then surgery, radiation and/or chemo would seem to make sense to me. Watching and waiting is a fool´s strategy. I repeat, if it has grown, it could have most likely spread . Each person has choices. Semantics only confuses the issue.
I´ve had three cancer surgeries in the past 13 years for three, the doctors believe, unrelated cancers. The last, in my left upper lung lobe was diagnosed approx 20 years ago as a "spot" in my lung. They regularly monitored it and two years ago it suddenly started growing. A quick biopsy, diagnosed as malignant, they removed the lobe and case closed. Monitoring is sometimes the way to go.
Thank you, #s 20 and 26... Have had two types of cancer, and after out-patient surgery, was admitted the next day through the ER to a 12-day hospital stay with a painful abscess infection... "Unrelated" to surgery!
My doctor and head oncologist both recommended chemo... those 12 days were a blessing in disguise as it gave me time to do my homework on cancer...
UCLA grad, Leigh Erin Connealy, from "Cancer is Curable" DVD and Center for New Medicine here in OC is my GP and friend...
Finally a cure for cancer and in my lifetime, I feel better already. No doubt there is a need for some clarity, three of the people closest to me have had cancer ranging from a routine technically cancer but "no harm no foul" to only a few weeks to live. Then again I wasn´t stupid enough to panic at one end or take the other lightly.
Expect some of the government recommended guidelines to continue to call for less action and for the rules regarding who can perform what task to be loosened. We´ll be going to Wallmart to be treated by someone with only vocational training for treatments we used to be required to pay Doctors to perform in hospitals.
#12, just had a stage 0 or 1 breast cancer scare last week. Very luckily, it was benign but my surgeon husband never hesitated that I would have surgery ASAP first and then radiation after if it had not been. I am sorry for your complications. That is debilitating and discouraging! I too worry that this re-classification is just a warmup for less aggressive treatment We will be visiting a friend, from Canada, who is dying of colon cancer, which should have been entirely treatable with more vigilant medical care than they have in Canada.
#12, I hope that what you´re saying is what is really going on here.
If I understand your post correctly, you´re describing how doctors tend to over-diagnose cancer, and over-treat "pre-cancerous" conditions ... with treatments that sometimes may be worse than the original condition.
There is a lot of over-treatment that has gone on for years, and it has not been for the good of patients.
Unfortunately, with ObamaCare, the pendulum is probably about to swing completely to the opposite side, i.e. to severe under-treatment of those whom Big Brother State deems lebensunwertes Leben.
Welcome to the sleight of hand, hocus pocus of Obamacare. Cancer will no longer be termed cancer, just inconvenient spots on livers, lungs and breasts. Expensive diagnostic tests and treatment will no longer be required. And Voila ! The death rates from cancer will suddenly decline under Obamacare. The media will declare Obamacare a success , despite the unnecessary deaths of many from treatable neoplasms.
Disagree entirely with most of you. I read a book called "should I be tested for cancer? Maybe not and here´s why" several years ago. What an eye opener. Many, many people have had invasive surgeries and horrific treatments because someone in the pathology lab found an anomaly in the biopsy and terrified the patient. They probably never were going to get breast cancer or prostate cancer but they were so alarmed they went ahead with the invasive and expensive treatments.
Previous poster is wrong. These are the Death Panels our Sarah warned about. These intraepithelial neoplasias progress into metastatic cancer. If you have one have SURGERY if you want to live. Cancer is cancer.
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