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Boeing 777 crashes while landing at SFO
KTVU-TV [San Francisco, CA], by Staff

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Posted By:LittleHoodedMonk, 7/6/2013 3:10:02 PM

SFO — A plane crashed while landing at San Francisco International Airport Saturday morning after its tail came off while it was touching down on the runway. According to a witness, around 11:20 a.m. the plane was just about to land -- its landing gear had come down -- when the tail of the plane came off. After wobbling for a minute, the aircraft flipped upside down, coming to a stop on runway on it´s back. The plane, reportedly a Boeing 777, was coming from South Korea, according to flight tracking information.

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Horrible.

Fox News Live Video Feed: http://live.foxnews.com/#/1155606219001

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 7/6/2013 3:22:02 PM     (No. 9411705)

any pictures I´m seeing show the plane as upright rather than on its back and emergency slides appear to have deployed. Lots of confused info...

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 7/6/2013 3:22:52 PM     (No. 9411706)

Not good if the fuselage is inverted with passengers aboard.
Sounds like one hell of a hard landing.
Cross your fingers.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 7/6/2013 3:24:45 PM     (No. 9411708)

Yeah, wait for some better reports.

Tail just coming off, doesn´t sound right unless the load shifted and they put it down tail-first and big-time.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Keekng, 7/6/2013 3:32:25 PM     (No. 9411717)

Right, #2. Sounds like a very hard landing.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: LittleHoodedMonk, 7/6/2013 3:34:00 PM     (No. 9411720)

Live video is showing right now that plane did not flip, but tail definitely missing. There was a fire, which is out, from the center of the cabin to the front.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 7/6/2013 3:35:31 PM     (No. 9411722)

FOX is interviewing a doofus ´expert´ who can´t be bothered to look at the pictures.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 7/6/2013 3:36:13 PM     (No. 9411723)

What I see on FNC right now is a plane with its tail gone, the section right over the wings and forward to the pilots cabin is burned out.

We´ll know what happened several months from now. And for the next several hours, FNC will obsess..... and theorize.

So much for sitting in that emergency exit row....

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 7/6/2013 3:36:35 PM     (No. 9411724)

Tail looks like it is missing in shots on TV. Plane is upright on her belly in grass. About 60% of the fuselage is burned right through the top aft of the cockpit.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 7/6/2013 3:39:29 PM     (No. 9411727)

So the question is whether it crashed because of the fire (explosion?), or was the fire caused by the crash...

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Reply 10 - Posted by: LittleHoodedMonk, 7/6/2013 3:45:34 PM     (No. 9411734)

Live local radio feed:

http://betaplayer.radio.com/player/kcbs-all-news-740-am-1069-fm

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Reply 11 - Posted by: JediJerry, 7/6/2013 3:47:10 PM     (No. 9411736)

Lets wait for the NTSB to get the flight data recorders before speculating. Fox News helicopter video looks like the plane is upright and the tail is missing. I hope all on-board got off ok.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: PageTurner, 7/6/2013 3:50:07 PM     (No. 9411737)

On Twitter, there´s a fellow who was on the flight who says they all survived and are ok. Let´s pray that that´s the result.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 7/6/2013 3:50:31 PM     (No. 9411738)

Daily Mail photos

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2357502/BREAKING-NEWS-Passenger-jet-crashes-San-Francisco-airport.html

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Reply 14 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/6/2013 3:55:25 PM     (No. 9411746)

We´ll be able to tell who read the article and saw the photo.

So much for "eyewitnesses".

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Reply 15 - Posted by: bamapreacher, 7/6/2013 3:55:40 PM     (No. 9411747)

Maybe the plane bent over while landing. Bad thing to do in San Francisco.

This IS NOT the thread to make snarky remarks. LCom Staff.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/6/2013 3:57:06 PM     (No. 9411751)

Scott Brenner, former Senior FAA official, is reporting on Fox that he was told everyone got off safely before fire began in earnest.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Catherine, 7/6/2013 4:01:07 PM     (No. 9411758)

"This way is Up......?" DeMille fans will get the reference.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: truthfetish, 7/6/2013 4:01:27 PM     (No. 9411759)

Local CBS radio says passenger believes pilot overshot runway. Reports wings hit tarmac.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: truthfetish, 7/6/2013 4:08:35 PM     (No. 9411767)

Live helicopter video on CBS local: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/live-video/
sorry for 2nd post.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: PageTurner, 7/6/2013 4:13:59 PM     (No. 9411772)

A tail shouldn´t just fall off - I wonder which Boeing plant built this airplane. Was it union thugs in Seattle, drinking on the job and slacking off ahead of their next long weekend?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: earlybird, 7/6/2013 4:17:07 PM     (No. 9411776)

Jon Scott, Fox anchor and pilot, says that it appears, based upon debris field and reports that nose was higher than tail as the plane came in, judges that pilot may have been flying in too low over water and hit tail on rock jetty at edge of runway. Pilot error.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: coldoc, 7/6/2013 4:17:07 PM     (No. 9411777)

Doesn´t look upside down to me. Great reporting. s/o

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Reply 23 - Posted by: mackrand, 7/6/2013 4:21:09 PM     (No. 9411779)

Just watched a helicopter based video of the scene and it appears the plane came in way low and ripped the tail off at the seawall before the runway threshold. There is a debris trail all the way from the seawall to the resting place of the mostly burned out hulk. I would suspect the uncontrolled landing stove in the landing gear and that´s why it´s on it´s belly. Amazing that there doesn´t appear to be any injuries that I´ve read about at any rate.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 7/6/2013 4:22:10 PM     (No. 9411781)

Looking at the video clip, it looks like fire and smoke coming from above where passengers would be--electrical wiring, etc. Awful thing to touch down and then crash.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: gagolfer, 7/6/2013 4:25:00 PM     (No. 9411783)

Plane did not overshoot the runway. Pilot experts looking at pictures say the plane landed too early and too short on the runway, tail down too low. Plane did not flip; the tail section that came off flipped down the runway after it broke off.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Keekng, 7/6/2013 4:25:24 PM     (No. 9411784)

Most of my career was spent building large aircraft.
Viewing the pictures now, it is apparent as to what happened.....
The AC was short of the runway, the tail hit right at the top of the rip rap (rocks along the shore), which stressed the aft section breaking it off at the aft pressure bulkhead, (see the pie shaped section at the back of the fuselage). That would have caused loss of AC control. Lets hope any death was minimal.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: earlybird, 7/6/2013 4:29:09 PM     (No. 9411787)

More reporting on Fox:

Appears that pilot landed short of the "displaced theshold" (area that comes BEFORE the runway). Landed much too early. And with too much power for descent.

Debris field shows that tail section hit the rock jetty as reported up the thread.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: earlybird, 7/6/2013 4:31:59 PM     (No. 9411790)

(cont´d)
Had the aircraft been shoddily built by Boeing all of the passengers would not have been able to exit the plane, apparently unhurt (based on current reports).

I have been taking my chances in Boeing-built aircraft for years. Nothing has ever convinced me to do otherwise, and I am not suicidal.

Baseless allegations are just that. Baseless.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: KTWO, 7/6/2013 4:36:57 PM     (No. 9411795)

Decades ago that particular approach over water was a lot of fun on the darkest nights. It could seem like 20 miles.

You sort of envied the passengers who had no clue or view.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: flybynight, 7/6/2013 5:21:08 PM     (No. 9411826)

Theorizing far in advance of the data, I am not yet jumping on the Pilot Error bandwagon. These are not first-solo student pilots, and the B-777 is not an entry-level airplane. The weather was just about as good as it gets. The pilots train intensively, and every six months must fly a gruelling check ride in a very sophisticated full-motion simulator where examiners can fail every system on the plane. The plane has very capable electronic guidance systems with back-up monitoring systems. If the pilot flying had been inadvertantly significantly below the glidepath, if the power had been inappropriate, you can bet there would have been a sweetly urgent computer voice advising the needed corrective action. No, my early money is on some sort of in-flight damage. Norks, maybe?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: belwhatter, 7/6/2013 5:29:53 PM     (No. 9411835)

Latest report says that two passengers have died, some have burn injuries and that all were evacuated. There was enough time to get out on the left side of the plane before the fire got serious, which is a testament to the redundant mechanisms and research the Boeing company puts into it´s planes. It lost it´s tail and landing gear, slithered sideways off the runway and still the body of the plane is in one piece. The black boxes will tell the whole story. Till then, we only speculate. Thank God it was no worse and that the majority have survived.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 7/6/2013 5:32:45 PM     (No. 9411838)

Thought I heard a tv report or speculation that the plane lost power on approach and was gliding in, which might explain the nose-high and hitting short.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 7/6/2013 5:38:41 PM     (No. 9411842)

That airport is right on the water. Passengers with window seats get the feeling they will be landing in the bay. There is a large debris field from water´s
s edge to where the plane it finally came to rest. The most likely explanation is the pilot came in too low and with the nose too far up and caught part of the tail on the breakwater.

They have made some design changes over the last couple of decades to make crash landings more survivable. Seats and, importantly, the floor mounts holding those seats in place during a crash, have been improved. The low death toll -so far- may be attributable to such improvements.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: PI65, 7/6/2013 5:41:28 PM     (No. 9411845)

Makes one wonder what kind of "preacher" #15 really is.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: MTGardenerview, 7/6/2013 5:43:01 PM     (No. 9411848)

# 20 should be banned for that post. You know absolutely nothing about Boeing or the great Folks who build Boeing Airplanes.
You are an absolute insult to the fine People
of Boeing and this website.

The pictures clearly indicate the airplanes landed short striking the rock seawall at the end.
I will not hide behind my user name to call you out for acting like an insulting moron.

J. A. Rochelle
Retired Boeing Quality Assurance
Commercial airplane Div.
Everett, WA.


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Reply 36 - Posted by: WimeTarmerFable, 7/6/2013 5:50:17 PM     (No. 9411858)

Prayers for all involved...

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Distorted, 7/6/2013 5:51:59 PM     (No. 9411862)

The wreckage indicates the airplane not only hit short of the runway but off-center right, which may be evidence of some distress or anomaly as the aircraft descended. There could be numerous reasons beyond "pilot error" to produce that evidence. The flight recorder will be key.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: PI65, 7/6/2013 5:52:15 PM     (No. 9411864)

#35 Thank you ever so much! You expressed my feelings perfectly.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: lazlototh, 7/6/2013 5:53:33 PM     (No. 9411865)

#20 I take issue with your comments too. I think you violated teh "if it feels good don´t do it" rule. I agree with the other commenters about Boeing quality. You can bash the unions themselves but still respect the dedicated people who build and maintain the planes, union though they may be.

I think the comments above suggesting that there was a problem that caused the plane to hit seems likely - this approach is well known and pilots of 777s have to be top drawer. So pilot error seems possible but it also seems to me that the warning devices would have been going off like crazy.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: lakerman1, 7/6/2013 6:11:43 PM     (No. 9411889)

Wasn´t the 777 grounded recently for some sort of defects?
In addition, I may not be rational on this issue, but I am not comfortable with an aircraft with all flight controls operated by computer.
Call me old fashioned, but...

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Reply 41 - Posted by: dman, 7/6/2013 6:12:25 PM     (No. 9411891)

How many of these incidents have we recently been through? I´m waiting for things to settle and facts to come in. For now: gratitude for those who survived and prayers for those who were injured or worse.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Gagolfer, 7/6/2013 6:28:53 PM     (No. 9411902)

40, the Boeing Dreamliner was grounded for awhile. Nothing mentioned about the 777 except its outstanding record.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 7/6/2013 6:33:56 PM     (No. 9411904)

Why do the NTSB and other "authorities" insist on giving perfunctory briefings when they really don´t know anything in situations like this? Then we have to sit and listen to ignorant reporters ask stupid questions that no one can answer.
I know more about what happened by reading this thread than listening to the so called "briefing".

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Reply 44 - Posted by: bighambone, 7/6/2013 6:34:07 PM     (No. 9411905)

You have to wait for the investigation result to find out what really happened. At first blush it looks like the aircraft approached the runway both too low and too slow, witnesses say that that at the end of flight, the nose was up to about a 45 degree angle and the tail struck the rip rap rock shore line before the end of the runway tearing off the aft portion of the fuselage. The instruments in the cockpit should have been telling the pilots that they were outside the landing envelope. The data recorders aboard the aircraft should tell the story pretty quickly.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: StuartL, 7/6/2013 6:39:31 PM     (No. 9411909)

#40 – You may be thinking of the 787 Dreamliner, which was grounded for a few months earlier this year while problems with its lithium batteries were sorted out. It’s now back in the air.

The 777 has been in service since the mid-90s, and to date has logged about 5 million flights. (Flights, not miles.) As for fly-by-wire, it’s not that the flight controls are operated by a computer. Rather, the hydraulic cables that formerly moved the control surfaces (rudder, elevator, ailerons) have been replaced by wires that carry inputs from the flight computer, which in turn receives electrical signals from the pilot’s yoke, pedals, and column. The pilot-in-command is still very much in command.


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Reply 46 - Posted by: stymie82, 7/6/2013 7:06:12 PM     (No. 9411933)

Amen #43-the "authorities" and their spokesmouths have been less than useful at many recent disasters. I´ll never forget that shifty fountain of misinformation Lt. Col. Vance of the Conn. State Police in the aftermath of Newtown. I hope this investigation is more open to public view, but it is hard to have confidence in our government minders.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: mackrand, 7/6/2013 7:36:23 PM     (No. 9411947)

I would just like to point out to the poster here who has a less than positive view toward Boeing, and our readers and other posters, a few observations.

Take a look at the remains. Here is a huge B777 with the tail torn off aft of the pressure vessel, both main landing gear sheared away, one engine completely missing with the other ripped off the pylon and nestled alongside the fuselage, a very short landing slide off the runway and down into the dirt, and after all that, nearly everyone deplaned intact.

I would say to Boeing and her people, Kudos for a job well done for building such an outstandingly safe and strong airplane.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: jond, 7/6/2013 7:36:40 PM     (No. 9411948)

Korean Air had horrible problems with crew training - the most famous example was KAL801 which crashed on Guam on August 6, 1997.

Malcolm Gladwell´s writeup in Blink is considered good enough to be referenced in flight schools.

This one, though, is strictly wait-and-see.

Regarding "fly by wire" (and without knowing anything about the 777) the are probably different levels of control. One is for computers to detect deviations from the pilot´s intent, as indicated by the controls, and correct them automatically. Using the computer´s quicker response its possible to fly airplanes that would otherwise be unflyable.

Warning - I´m not a TV expert, I play one on the internet.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: Keekng, 7/6/2013 7:53:27 PM     (No. 9411962)

Yes, #7. All the other channels who are not obsessing over Moochies attire will also be speculating about the crash.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: pigop, 7/6/2013 8:45:49 PM     (No. 9411985)

#35, I just worked with a retired employee from Boeing just last week. He is now a technical rep for Argon who worked on a directional finder antenna on a DDG class ship here in San Diego. Since we both were checking quality workmanship of a certain contractor, he mentioned the Quality Assurance program of Boeing. He touted it as the finest in the airline industry. We don´t know the cause of the crash at SFO,I am holding my judgement until the NTSB completes its investigation.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: rambo77, 7/7/2013 1:49:42 AM     (No. 9412162)

Any time you have a crash of an airliner as big as a 777 with 300 people on board and the A/C is a total wreck and only 2 lives are lost, you have a lot of hard working people do a lot of good work. That many survivors just a few years ago would have been called a miracle!! Let´s call this what it is. Good show, Boeing..keep up the good work!! We are proud to have you in our camp!!

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Reply 52 - Posted by: StuartL, 7/7/2013 3:57:35 AM     (No. 9412201)

Amen to all posters who have justly praised the triple-7’s design, construction, and maintenance.

No one else has said it yet, so I will: If it ain’t Boeing, I ain’t going!


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Reply 53 - Posted by: Bohallx, 7/7/2013 8:28:08 AM     (No. 9412346)

The news progresses ~ now that SFO´s GLIDEPATH is reported to have been turned off July 1 (Until late August), that means the NTSB hearings on this one will get well into the need for all available electronic assists to be ON to help make sure the pilots successfully land the planes even in perfect visual conditions.

Should be some humdinger testimony!



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Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/21/2014 2:58:16 PM     Post Reply
A US senator has had a close call with a train during a news conference on rail safety. Richard Blumenthal was standing close to the platform edge during a speech by Milford Mayor Ben Blake, when a train hurtled past, disturbing a diagram. The Connecticut Democrat called the news conference after announcing a $552,000 fine for Metro-North Railroad over "shameful" safety violations. Metro-North says it has made tremendous strides in improving its safety culture.

Panel Orders Release of Memo
in Targeted Killing of Awlaki
New York Times, by Benjamin Weiser    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/21/2014 2:51:36 PM     Post Reply
A federal appeals panel in Manhattan ordered the release on Monday of key portions of a classified Justice Department memorandum that provided the legal justification for the targeted killing of a United States citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, who had joined Al Qaeda and died in a 2011 drone strike in Yemen. The unanimous three-judge panel, reversing a lower court decision, said the government had waived its right to keep the analysis secret in light of numerous public statements by administration officials and the Justice Department’s release of a “white paper” offering a detailed analysis of why targeted killings were legal.

Obama administration: ´Indications´
chemical weapons used, again, in Syria
Fox News, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/21/2014 2:34:51 PM     Post Reply
The Obama administration said Monday it has "indications" chemical weapons were used in Syria earlier this month, and is investigating whether the Assad regime might have been responsible. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki discussed the allegations a day after French President Francois Hollande said France also had indications the regime is still using chemical weapons. (Snip) President Obama had declared the use of chemical weapons a "red line," but backed off threats of military force following the agreement. The latest attack in question allegedly occurred April 11 in the rebel-held village of Kfar Zeita.

Israeli unit against terror-financing
fighting new enemies at a new speed
Jerusalem Post [Israel], by Yonah Jeremy Bob & Niv Elis    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/21/2014 12:00:33 AM     Post Reply
The Israel Money Laundering and Terror Financing Prohibition Authority (IMPA) has exploded in growth since its 2002 founding; but Israel has been criticized heavily for not keeping up with fighting these threats. (Snip) Besides legitimate transactions, the lack of oversight has led bitcoins to be used for buying and selling illegal drugs, Internet malware, laundering money and authorities have warned of it being potentially used for funding terrorism. Bitcoin is not the only new potential hi-tech terror-financing and money-laundering option, which also include paypal, webmoney, e-money and other new electronic transactional



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felons under clemency rules
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sentences from ´War on Drugs´ era

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 4/21/2014 11:37:51 PM     Post Reply
The Obama administration is poised to entertain a flood of new clemency applications from thousands of federal prisoners who were given harsh sentences under mandatory-minimum laws following drug convictions, Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday. Holder said in a short videotaped statement that he wants to shrink the federal prison population by a modest amount while ensuring ´that those who have paid their debts have a chance to become productive citizens.´ At the center of the move is a set of old sentencing rules that punished crack-cocaine offenders with more time behind bars than users or traffickers of powder cocaine.

Dole: Cruz, Paul & Rubio
lack experience for 2016

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The Hill [Washington, DC], by Mario Trujillo    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/22/2014 11:18:06 AM     Post Reply
Former Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.) said a number of junior GOP senators considering a presidential run in 2016 do not yet have the experience — specifically naming Rand Paul (Ky.), Marco Rubio (Fla.) and Ted Cruz (Texas). The former 1996 GOP presidential candidate sounded particularly skeptical of Cruz in an interview this week with The Wichita Eagle. "A number of the younger members, first-termers like Rand Paul, Rubio and that extreme-right-wing guy, Ted Cruz — all running for president now. I don´t think they´ve got enough experience yet," Dole said. The 90-year-old former senator said, however, his main concern about 2016 is living

Jeb Bush is your only chance
against Hillary, Republicans

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Hot Air, by Bob Schrum    Original Article
Posted By: quantumman- 4/22/2014 6:32:54 AM     Post Reply
If Jeb reaches for the nomination, there will be a titanic battle between the party establishment and the Tea Party. Steve Schmidt, McCain’s strategist in 2008, insists that in the end Republicans usually settle on the most electable candidate. To get by, this Bush may be forced to trim his positions, although the cautionary tale of Romney suggests that he would have to tack artfully and carefully for the sake of the general election. Certainly he will have the resources to outlast, discredit, and disqualify his rivals.

Michelle Obama:
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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
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Washington - Michelle Obama said "splurging is the key to life" if you regularly eat right and stay active. Her biggest guilty pleasure: French fries. "How would you appreciate vegetables if you never had chocolate?" she asked. "You couldn´t live without a little chocolate, a little French fries." The first lady took questions from children reporters Monday after appearing at the White House Easter Egg Roll. She told the children that if they eat right the majority of the time, then a splurge or snack is not going to hurt them. "I still splurge when I can, but that's why I try to exercise almost every day," she said.

But Seriously, Just How
Slow-Witted is John Boehner?

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American Thinker, by C. Edmund Wright    Original Article
Posted By: quantumman- 4/21/2014 7:22:21 AM     Post Reply
As he moves from lobbyists to the golf course, from press conferences to the tanning bed, he remains oblivious to all that is around him. He has power, incredible power, and yet to this day he has no understanding of the election that made it so. Moreover, all around him are astonishing opportunities for him to be an historic figure -- one who could and should be the man who did more than any other single person in turning back the red tide of Obama. It’s all there for Speaker of the House, and yet John Boehner manages to miss

Would YOU be underwater if the
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if sea levels rose by 260ft

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Daily Mail (UK), by Ellie Zolfagharifard    Original Article
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Global sea levels have risen by 8 inches (20cm) since 1880 and scientists predict they could rise up to 3ft (98cm) by 2100. But despite the UN’s recent threats of war, famine and extreme weather, such a dramatically different world caused by sea level rise can be hard to imagine. To help picture the future, Martin Vargic, an amateur graphic designer from Slovakia, has created a map depicting the planet with sea levels around 260ft (79m) higher than they are today. He imagines what Earth would look like if the ice sheets surrounding the North and South poles melted, releasing

Reid: ´We Are a Nation of Laws,
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Cybercast News Service, by Susan Jones    Original Article
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It may not be tomorrow, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) says "something will happen" to force a Nevada rancher to obey a court order to stop grazing his cattle on federal land and pay his grazing fees. "It´s obvious that you can´t just walk away from this," Reid said in an April 18 interview with a Nevada´s KSNV-TV News 3 program “What’s Your Point?” "You can´t have a law that is -- we´re a nation of laws, not of men and women," he said. (Video) Reid noted that most cattlemen pay their taxes, pay their fees, and follow

You´re on the clock:
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USA Today*, by Roni Caryn Rabin    Original Article
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Fraud runs rampant in Census Bureau
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New York Post, by John Crudele    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/22/2014 5:03:20 AM     Post Reply
There’s a pattern of falsifying statistics throughout the entire Census Bureau. And anyone who attempts to blow the whistle on the fraud is either retaliated against or ignored, according to two new sources who have experienced the process firsthand. As I’ve been writing for more than six months, the Census Bureau office in Philadelphia uncovered a case of fraud in 2010, did nothing about it and allowed the practice to continue. In that instance, a data collector named Julius Buckmon was faking reports that went into the nation’s all-important jobless tally and consumer-inflation survey. Because the Census Bureau’s surveys are scientific — meaning

The Increasing Desperation of Democrats
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National Review Online, by John Fund    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/21/2014 5:19:02 AM     Post Reply
Harry Reid isn’t backing down from his claim that rancher Cliven Bundy’s supporters are “domestic terrorists.” It’s astonishing rhetoric given the White House’s characterization of the mass shooting by a genuine terrorist, Major Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 Americans at the Fort Hood Army base after yelling “Allahu Akbar!” (God is great.) Rather than labeling Hasan’s actions “domestic terrorism,” the Obama administration is prosecuting him for having committed “workplace violence.” Democratic rhetoric is become ever more desperate and overheated as we approach the November midterm elections. Last week, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said that GOP positions on immigration were motivated by

38 Republican lawmakers put aside differences
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Washington Times, by Dave Boyer    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/22/2014 5:20:31 AM     Post Reply
Thirty-eight Republican lawmakers, including such unlikely bedfellows as John McCain of Arizona and Ted Cruz of Texas, have joined to support a lawsuit challenging the legality of the Affordable Care Act and accusing the president of repeatedly ignoring the law he signed for political reasons. The lawmakers have signed onto a legal brief in support of a lawsuit filed by Sen. Ron Johnson, the Wisconsin Republican who is asking a federal court to overturn Obamacare’s special treatment for members of Congress and their staffs. “The unlawful executive action at issue in this case is not an isolated incident,” the brief

A rancher´s armed battle against the US
government is standard libertarian fare

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Guardian [UK], by Kieran Suckling    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/21/2014 8:10:33 AM     Post Reply
Perhaps the most remarkable feature of American democracy is the magnificent estate of public land that it reserved from the very beginning for the use of all citizens, rich or poor. There is nothing like it in the democracies of Europe, which came into being with nations already carved up into private fiefdoms. The Great Idea that hundreds of millions of acres of forests, deserts, rivers and prairies should be owned by, and managed for, the public interest has had a profound and lasting influence on American culture. But not everyone has accepted it. Cliven Bundy’s armed standoff with the National Park


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