Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman second degree murder trial have pushed hard on two points as they seek to make their case against him: that the injuries to Zimmerman on the night Trayvon Martin died were “insignificant” and that he had studied Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law in a college class in 2010. To win conviction on second-degree murder, the prosecution has to show that the death was caused by a criminal act “demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life.”
Comments: The defense could not use "Stand Your Ground" because Zimmerman was pinned to the ground by Trayvon Martin and could not possibly retreat. He had no choice but to use deadly force. Straight self defense.
Zimmerman´s mother and uncle testified, very convincingly that the voice crying for help was George Zimmerman. The uncle was a very powerful witness. The jury can think about that all weekend. The Judge is a disgrace.
Judge Beauty Queen continues in her ques5t to set a judicial record on the number of reversible errors committed in one trial. And she did not use even one second for contemplation before rejecting the defense motion.
I have been partially listening to the live broadcasts. 2 questions I have:
1. Trayvon´s shirt/jacket had no mud on the back, so I would assume he was not the one on the ground. Did Zimmerman´s shirt/jacket have mud on the back?
2. Anyone spending any time with today´s youth (especially based on reading Trayvon´s messages) would yell ´help´. Had Trayvon been on the bottom, he would have been yelling obscenities such as ´get off me you MF....´. I doubt seriously a simple help would have been what he was yelling at Zimmerman.
The length of the trial and the conflicting testimony, although the majority does support Zimm, indicates that the state´s ´beyond a reasonable doubt´ condition has already failed and the trial should be ended. No jury necessary.
As a child, my sister and I ´fought´. I would scream and cry for help, and count the creaking stair boards, until I knew mom was close. Then, I shut up, and quit "fighting´. My sister always got in trouble.
I was suburban white-bread, how much you want to bet Trayvon knew that trick too.
The estate of Trayon Martin will have to be charged with second degree murder now.
Because a death was caused by a criminal act "demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life."
Yep, that fits ol´ Trayvon... to a Tee. Depraved mind. No regard for a human life. Resulting in a death.
Trayvon is guilty of second degree murder. His own.
And why did the prosecution repeatedly say that Trayvon had not committed a crime that night? He obviously jumped and assaulted George Zimmerman. That´s a crime. Attempted to murder George Zimmerman. Succeeded in murdering himself. And a depraved mind. Tsk Tsk.
Why are so many of these people so very very lame in these proceedings? Something is rotten in Sanford.
The Obama worshipping left has turned an insignificant local incident of self-defense into a national morality play. Trayvon is Obama, a drug using, illegitimate thug with perverse values and a loathing of convention. Zimmerman is the traditional American who distrusts everything Traybama represents. GZ must be convicted to demonstrate that Obamaism is the future. Hopefully, jury will represent sane, value conscience America.
Not too much should be made of the denial of a directed verdict. The defense routinely makes such a motion in pretty much every criminal trial, and the judge routinely denies them and lets the jury take the heat for the verdict. I´ve only seen one granted that I can remember (yes, I was on the wrong side of it); I also saw one denied that should have been granted (I left out any direct evidence of one element of the offense). That´s the more usual outcome.
Re #6, they were on grass and concrete walkway. Not dirt. Zimmerman had grass all over his back, noted by the first officer on the scene (and I believe that neighbor Manalo photographed him back and front.). I remember reading about the grass in the officer´s initial report.
Trayvon would have gotten wet when the first responding officers rolled him on his back and gave him CPR. He was left in the position for about three hours until the morgue wagon took him away.
Re #26, it is not about place. It is about what happens between the parties and who ends up feeling threat of great bodily harm from the other.
I´d say George had a right to feel that he was at risk of great bodily harm after being decked with a punch to the nose and having his head repeatedly bashed on the oncrete by a guy sitting astride his body so that he good not get up.
Go and read abut "Ground and Pound". Trayvon knew what it was. He was a MMA enthusiast.
Hardly over--the jury is all female and females may tend toward the emotional rather than the analytical, though it isn´t in the pop narrative to do so. The hand that rocked the cradle used to like to be thought feelers and acting on the feelings.
Does rule of law still reign in the land of the free or in these cases tried in the court of public opinion deny a defendant his civil rights? I wouldn´t agree for a black person to be threatened by mob action or public lynchings, nor this self-described Hispanic.
So how did he get white? If I were him I´d be white from now on since I don´t see RAZA getting in there for him.
End Affirmative Action or it ends what is left of America.
Zimmerman beat his own head so Al Sharpton could riot. The judge majored in psychology. I´m watching baseball, but if I lived in Sanford, FL, or any other place with black nitwits like Rachel Jeantel, I´d be armed to the teeth. Isn´t it great we elected Barry Obama!
We who have common sense know it´s over; the prosecution knows it´s over; and surely the judge knows it´s over; but she continues to grant sweet treats to the prosecution and molded bread to the defense, done solely to cover her biased patootie when the "not guilty" verdict comes down. Can´t be remembered as one having contributed to the civil unrest that will follow! Watching and listening to this judge causes me to feel sickly! She and the prosecutor should be canned.
RE#28 ~ you slipped up when you said ´after´ ~ up until that moment nobody had done anything ~ wasn´t even a trespass ~ but ´at the moment of impact´ when Trayvon hit Zim, everything changed wouldn´t you agree?
The prosecution badly wanted an SYG hearing where they would argue their stalking claim and make Zim look as bad as possible.
It was the next day the coroner found out who Trayvon was and why he was where he was. The evening before when Zim gave a statement to the cops, nobody knew who Trayvon was.
Zim and his lawyers were wise to leave SYG out of this defense.
George Zimmerman had lost sight of Trayvon and was almost back to his truck when Trayvon came out of nowhere and decked him.
This is not a SYG case. But SYG does not have to do with place (the old Castle law did). It could apply anywhere that one is threatened and chooses not to retreat. One can stand his ground. Doesn´t have to involve trespass.
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