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The Zimmerman trial is already over
Fox News, by John Lott

Original Article

Posted By:earlybird, 7/5/2013 5:29:05 PM

Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman second degree murder trial have pushed hard on two points as they seek to make their case against him: that the injuries to Zimmerman on the night Trayvon Martin died were “insignificant” and that he had studied Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law in a college class in 2010. To win conviction on second-degree murder, the prosecution has to show that the death was caused by a criminal act “demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life.”

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The defense could not use "Stand Your Ground" because Zimmerman was pinned to the ground by Trayvon Martin and could not possibly retreat. He had no choice but to use deadly force. Straight self defense.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Coy860, 7/5/2013 5:36:09 PM     (No. 9410446)

Zimmerman´s mother and uncle testified, very convincingly that the voice crying for help was George Zimmerman.
The uncle was a very powerful witness.
The jury can think about that all weekend.
The Judge is a disgrace.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: lakerman1, 7/5/2013 5:41:41 PM     (No. 9410454)

Judge Beauty Queen continues in her ques5t to set a judicial record on the number of reversible errors committed in one trial.
And she did not use even one second for contemplation before rejecting the defense motion.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 7/5/2013 5:41:55 PM     (No. 9410455)

No more time than St. Trayvon´s mother spent with him in his lifetime, I don´t know how she could recognize his voice when he wasn´t under stress, much less under the circumstances she testified to.

The Zimmerman trial may be --for intents and purposes, over, but the jury hasn´t spoken yet.


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Reply 4 - Posted by: mitzi, 7/5/2013 5:44:02 PM     (No. 9410459)

I believe there was a a depraved mind without regard for human life involved ...but it was Martin, not Zimmerman.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: ann_n_GA, 7/5/2013 5:48:11 PM     (No. 9410463)

I have been partially listening to the live broadcasts. 2 questions I have:

1. Trayvon´s shirt/jacket had no mud on the back, so I would assume he was not the one on the ground. Did Zimmerman´s shirt/jacket have mud on the back?

2. Anyone spending any time with today´s youth (especially based on reading Trayvon´s messages) would yell ´help´. Had Trayvon been on the bottom, he would have been yelling obscenities such as ´get off me you MF....´. I doubt seriously a simple help would have been what he was yelling at Zimmerman.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: leopardtwo, 7/5/2013 5:50:40 PM     (No. 9410465)

It is clear that a black thug was beating someone whom the black thug considered an easy target. Unfortunately, for the assailant (the black thug), the victim was armed.



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Reply 7 - Posted by: mc squared, 7/5/2013 5:55:37 PM     (No. 9410474)

The length of the trial and the conflicting testimony, although the majority does support Zimm, indicates that the state´s ´beyond a reasonable doubt´ condition has already failed and the trial should be ended. No jury necessary.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: earlybird, 7/5/2013 5:56:34 PM     (No. 9410477)

When Zimmrman was crying for help the neighbor said he would dial 911. Had Trayvon been the one calling for help, from his position on top, he would have stopped at that point.

Zimmerman´s need for help was more immediate than 911. He needed the neighbor to somehow interrupt what was going on. To intercede. Didn´t happen.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: krause, 7/5/2013 5:58:08 PM     (No. 9410480)

Plus Martin also had access to Z´s gun. Z had to draw go for it first.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: balogreene, 7/5/2013 6:02:36 PM     (No. 9410489)

As a child, my sister and I ´fought´. I would scream and cry for help, and count the creaking stair boards, until I knew mom was close. Then, I shut up, and quit "fighting´. My sister always got in trouble.

I was suburban white-bread, how much you want to bet Trayvon knew that trick too.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: KTWO, 7/5/2013 6:09:53 PM     (No. 9410497)

Good comment by OP. Zimmerman and his attorneys wisely avoided Stand Your Ground.

SYG is conditional. i.e. not absolute. If you cannot retreat it means nothing.

Self Defense is absolute, you have that right.



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Reply 12 - Posted by: hamrman, 7/5/2013 6:22:36 PM     (No. 9410513)

Why are we still wasting Florida taxpayer dollars on this circus and "show trial"? The prosecution has nothing and the judge should be removed (she is in the pocket of special interest)!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 7/5/2013 6:23:25 PM     (No. 9410518)

A trial ain´t over until it´s over.

Of course it should never have been brought to trial at all, the inquest should have been more than enough.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: Midwest Mom, 7/5/2013 6:25:56 PM     (No. 9410519)

But if the jury is afraid of riots...I can´t help but wonder if Zimmerman is going to be found guilty??

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Rafter, 7/5/2013 6:33:08 PM     (No. 9410527)

The estate of Trayon Martin will have to be charged with second degree murder now.

Because a death was caused by a criminal act "demonstrating a depraved mind without
regard for human life."

Yep, that fits ol´ Trayvon... to a Tee.
Depraved mind. No regard for a human life.
Resulting in a death.

Trayvon is guilty of second degree murder.
His own.

And why did the prosecution repeatedly say that Trayvon had not committed a crime
that night?
He obviously jumped and assaulted George Zimmerman.
That´s a crime.
Attempted to murder George Zimmerman.
Succeeded in murdering himself.
And a depraved mind.
Tsk Tsk.

Why are so many of these people so very very lame in these proceedings?
Something is rotten in Sanford.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 7/5/2013 6:33:26 PM     (No. 9410528)

#13, my sibling used that tactic, too. Our mother punished both of us.



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Reply 17 - Posted by: Northcross, 7/5/2013 6:37:38 PM     (No. 9410535)

News Flash. Judgement of Acquittal denied. Trial continues. Pass the word. No riots tonight. Maybe next Wednesday.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Pearson365, 7/5/2013 6:38:35 PM     (No. 9410537)

The Obama worshipping left has turned an insignificant local incident of self-defense into a national morality play. Trayvon is Obama, a drug using, illegitimate thug with perverse values and a loathing of convention. Zimmerman is the traditional American who distrusts everything Traybama represents. GZ must be convicted to demonstrate that Obamaism is the future. Hopefully, jury will represent sane, value conscience America.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Rael, 7/5/2013 6:39:58 PM     (No. 9410540)

The ´Stand your ground´ law has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE!

I am so tired of hearing idiots go on and on about it. This was NOT about ´stand your ground´! It was never about ´Stand your ground´ and anyone who says it was doesn´t know the law.

This was self defense pure and simple. You can not ´stand your ground´ when you are pinned to the ground being beat to death. He was in fear for his life, he wasn´t ´standing his ground´.

idiots!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: horacer, 7/5/2013 6:40:30 PM     (No. 9410541)

#6 that´s an excellent point. If it had been Trayvon´s voice the 911 tape would be laced with obscenities.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Persecutor2, 7/5/2013 6:40:31 PM     (No. 9410542)

Not too much should be made of the denial of a directed verdict. The defense routinely makes such a motion in pretty much every criminal trial, and the judge routinely denies them and lets the jury take the heat for the verdict. I´ve only seen one granted that I can remember (yes, I was on the wrong side of it); I also saw one denied that should have been granted (I left out any direct evidence of one element of the offense). That´s the more usual outcome.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: bifgroovey, 7/5/2013 6:43:44 PM     (No. 9410545)

Hey America and media! How many black kids will be shot and killed in Chicago tonight?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Bohallx, 7/5/2013 6:45:10 PM     (No. 9410549)

Working out all the who struck johns when you have two parties who have a legal right to be where they are .... well, that´s not exactly what SYG is all about.

The Defense is correct to use simple self defense.



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Reply 24 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/5/2013 7:00:43 PM     (No. 9410567)

Re #6, they were on grass and concrete walkway. Not dirt. Zimmerman had grass all over his back, noted by the first officer on the scene (and I believe that neighbor Manalo photographed him back and front.). I remember reading about the grass in the officer´s initial report.

Trayvon would have gotten wet when the first responding officers rolled him on his back and gave him CPR. He was left in the position for about three hours until the morgue wagon took him away.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Emerson, 7/5/2013 7:04:33 PM     (No. 9410569)

Re #26, it is not about place. It is about what happens between the parties and who ends up feeling threat of great bodily harm from the other.

I´d say George had a right to feel that he was at risk of great bodily harm after being decked with a punch to the nose and having his head repeatedly bashed on the oncrete by a guy sitting astride his body so that he good not get up.

Go and read abut "Ground and Pound". Trayvon knew what it was. He was a MMA enthusiast.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: GringoinQuito, 7/5/2013 7:05:09 PM     (No. 9410570)

Yep, it´s all over, except for the rioting.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: badrad, 7/5/2013 7:32:35 PM     (No. 9410593)

Hardly over--the jury is all female and females may tend toward the emotional rather than the analytical, though it isn´t in the pop narrative to do so. The hand that rocked the cradle used to like to be thought feelers and acting on the feelings.

Does rule of law still reign in the land of the free or in these cases tried in the court of public opinion deny a defendant his civil rights? I wouldn´t agree for a black person to be threatened by mob action or public lynchings, nor this self-described Hispanic.

So how did he get white? If I were him I´d be white from now on since I don´t see RAZA getting in there for him.

End Affirmative Action or it ends what is left of America.



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Reply 28 - Posted by: volksford, 7/5/2013 7:35:33 PM     (No. 9410595)

A high tech lynching of a Hispanic.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: KTWO, 7/5/2013 7:37:48 PM     (No. 9410597)

Second post. After reading #27.

The condition of Trayvon´s trousers and kneecaps might be interesting. Even his toes and footwear.

Were grass stains on the trousers at the knees? Any damage to the cloth there? Ditto for Trayvon´s kneecaps.

Those seem likely if Martin was on top as described. The forward tips of shoes and toes might also get damaged.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: reilly, 7/5/2013 7:39:38 PM     (No. 9410600)


Zimmerman beat his own head so Al Sharpton could riot. The judge majored in psychology. I´m watching baseball, but if I lived in Sanford, FL, or any other place with black nitwits like Rachel Jeantel, I´d be armed to the teeth. Isn´t it great we elected Barry Obama!



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Reply 31 - Posted by: rugerman2242, 7/5/2013 7:48:41 PM     (No. 9410606)

We who have common sense know it´s over; the prosecution knows it´s over; and surely the judge knows it´s over; but she continues to grant sweet treats to the prosecution and molded bread to the defense, done solely to cover her biased patootie when the "not guilty" verdict comes down. Can´t be remembered as one having contributed to the civil unrest that will follow! Watching and listening to this judge causes me to feel sickly! She and the prosecutor should be canned.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Bohallx, 7/5/2013 8:01:10 PM     (No. 9410615)

RE#28 ~ you slipped up when you said ´after´ ~ up until that moment nobody had done anything ~ wasn´t even a trespass ~ but ´at the moment of impact´ when Trayvon hit Zim, everything changed wouldn´t you agree?

The prosecution badly wanted an SYG hearing where they would argue their stalking claim and make Zim look as bad as possible.

It was the next day the coroner found out who Trayvon was and why he was where he was. The evening before when Zim gave a statement to the cops, nobody knew who Trayvon was.

Zim and his lawyers were wise to leave SYG out of this defense.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/5/2013 8:02:54 PM     (No. 9410619)

Re #33 (re #27), the defense has photos of grass stains on Trayvon´s tan pants. There´s a link at talkleft.com, May 23, 2013.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 7/5/2013 8:03:41 PM     (No. 9410620)

#37 should have said "grass stains on the knees of Trayvon Martin´s tan pants".

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Emerson, 7/5/2013 8:27:25 PM     (No. 9410640)

Re #36, I believe I said the same thing.

George Zimmerman had lost sight of Trayvon and was almost back to his truck when Trayvon came out of nowhere and decked him.

This is not a SYG case. But SYG does not have to do with place (the old Castle law did). It could apply anywhere that one is threatened and chooses not to retreat. One can stand his ground. Doesn´t have to involve trespass.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: GOPlease, 7/5/2013 9:17:04 PM     (No. 9410678)

Great posts but face facts....#21 nails it!

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Reply 37 - Posted by: 4justice, 7/5/2013 10:10:21 PM     (No. 9410724)

35, the good thing about molded bread is that penicillin can be derived from it!!

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American Spectator, by Jonah Goldberg and Taki Theodoracopulos    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 4/16/2014 11:20:22 AM     Post Reply
Look, everyone loves Sean Connery, particularly Sean Connery. That’s why he plays Sean Connery in every movie he’s in. People love that Scottish brogue so much, they don’t mind that he has it when he plays Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, an immortal Spaniard in Highlander. The guy even won an Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent. Talk about sexist double standards: Meryl Streep has to master foreign dialects to get her golden statuettes. Connery just has to show up on time. In economics you devalue a currency by printing too much of it. In film you

White babies just 15 months old show racial
bias when picking playmates, study found

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/15/2014 10:23:35 PM     Post Reply
Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. They also take account of how fairly others behave. Researchers tested the reaction of white 15-month-olds as toys were distributed. Two white adults divided the toys, one equally and the other unequally. Seventy per cent of the toddlers chose to play with the researcher who distributed the toys fairly. But in a second test, when one researcher favoured a white recipient over an Asian one, they picked the ‘fair’ researcher less often, the journal Frontiers in Psychology reports. And the babies are more likely to help those who share the same ethnicity, which is known as

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

White is not right: Campus admins ask
for help weeding out white people

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Daily Caller, by Robby Soave    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 7:47:18 PM     Post Reply
Western Washington University sent a questionnaire to students asking them for advice on how the administration could succeed at making sure that in future years, “we are not as white as we are today.” The question notes that WWU’s racial make up does not perfectly reflect the nation at large, and asks students to consider strategies that other universities have used to focus on skin color as the paramount indicator of a student-applicant’s worth. The president of WWU has stated that his explicit goal is to reduce the white population on campus, according to Campus Reform. “I’ve said before and I’ll say it

If a nuclear bomb exploded in downtown
Washington, what should you do?

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The Week, by Marc Ambinder    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Has Rush Limbaugh Finally
Reached the End Of The Road?

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Forbes Magazine, by Rick Ungar    Original Article
Posted By: EveningStar- 4/16/2014 7:24:05 PM     Post Reply
Like him or hate him, there is no disputing that Rush Limbaugh’s very special brand of mixing right-wing politics with his flare for entertainment has produced one of the most successful radio programs in the medium’s long history. Whatever the burning political question of the day, millions of Americans have relished the opportunity to tune into Rush’s program, knowing that he would quickly take that hot potato, throw a few gallons of verbal kerosene into the mix and elevate the matter into a five alarm fire with a just a few well-chosen words spoken in the style only Rush Limbaugh could

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast


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