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A Coup? Or Something Else?
$1.5 Billion in U.S. Aid
Is on the Line

New York Times, by Peter Baker

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Posted By:LittleHoodedMonk, 7/4/2013 11:35:39 PM

Washington - By all accounts, the generals removed the democratically elected president, put him in detention, arrested his allies and suspended the Constitution. (Snip) But was it a military coup d’état? For the White House and the new Egyptian government, that is the $1.5 billion question. President Obama’s government on Thursday was reviewing the implications for American aid to Egypt after the ouster of President Mohamed Morsi, and under United States law it has no choice but to cut off financial assistance to the country if it determines that he was deposed in a military

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The New York Times thinks that they can manipulate US in feeling sorry for the Egyptian people right now, so 0bama can somehow twist U.S. law to be able to give this $1.5B "aid" away to the Islamist. Is this a coup or a "popular uprising?" [Is there a "like" button somewhere?]

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: LanieLou, 7/4/2013 11:48:40 PM     (No. 9409391)

Oh, jeez... I don´t know... a couple thou Mo Bro extremists trying to force Sharia Law on Egyptians when they expected democracy & freedom... where 20m citizens & the army ousting them for lying ?

Obama, take your Mo Bro´s home & lick your wounds. Even muslims don´t want what you´re selling. As Egyptians say... No Mo Beards!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: dallasdude, 7/4/2013 11:56:17 PM     (No. 9409395)

Zero just wants to get to the golf course and away from Moochella who fells like she is in prison.


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Reply 3 - Posted by: panther361, 7/5/2013 12:29:47 AM     (No. 9409416)

For criminy sakes! Enough already and just forget about these clowns for now. Every friggin time we concern ourselves with the likes of muslim radicals we take it right in the backside. We´ve given them plenty of OUR money and to what end? No more! At least for now. Let´s look after ourselves and start with why we´re giving up things for stupid rules and see how well the citizens can place 1.5 billion where needed.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: veritas, 7/5/2013 1:40:36 AM     (No. 9409435)

FTA: "under United States law it has no choice but to cut off financial assistance to the country...."

Pardon?

How does Stinky decide which of our laws he´ll obey and which he won´t? Does Holder help him? Magic 8 Ball? Coin flips? Dartboard?

Maybe that deserves a NYT investigative article? Maybe?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: steveW, 7/5/2013 1:42:35 AM     (No. 9409436)

Apparently, Obama´s "no problem, bro!" policy applies only to aid and comfort to the Muslim Brotherhood, not the Egyptian people who oppose them.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: jalo1951, 7/5/2013 2:02:02 AM     (No. 9409445)

Delay obamacare mandates, keep the money flowing to Egypt. Laws, we don´t need no stinking laws.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: John c, 7/5/2013 4:30:16 AM     (No. 9409483)

Got a kick that our Sec.of State called Egypt´s foreign minister asking if he is still in power. Perhaps cary should have ended his vacation and gone back to DC.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: uno, 7/5/2013 6:18:48 AM     (No. 9409520)

Vacation? From what??

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Reply 9 - Posted by: sagman, 7/5/2013 6:50:32 AM     (No. 9409557)

JOHN KERRY: Sir, I just explained our position on the Egyptian situation to Wolf Blitzer.
OBAMA: We have a position?
KERRY: Yes, sir. We were against the coup before we were for it.
VALERIE JARRETT: Unrest could lead to civil war, Mr. President—and who knows what else.
OBAMA: You’re right. Defense, I want the Eisenhower and the Truman to steam for Suez immediately and wrest control of the Canal from Egypt. That’ll unite the Egyptians against us, possibly forestalling the military from launching an attack on Israel to distract the population.
CHUCK HAGEL: Sir, that’s an act of war.
OBAMA: We’ll quit Suez and explain it away as a military exercise that got out of hand because of miscommunication. By that time, the generals will have the country under control. A dozen more F-16 fighter jets will encourage them to forgive and forget.

[enter First Lady]

MICHELLE: President Morsi’s wife just called. I gave her my word we’d stand with the brothas. You hear me, Barack?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: M2, 7/5/2013 7:07:34 AM     (No. 9409570)

The following prompts another question:

But Mr. Mubarak had never been the choice of a genuinely free election, while Mr. Morsi’s subsequent election, although disturbing to many in Washington because of his affiliation with the Muslim Brotherhood, was widely deemed democratic, even if some of his actions in office were not.

What, exactly, should be America´s role in the affairs of other nations? Certainly, it´s in our best interests that Egypt stay stable once this coup is done, but after that, why do we persist (as we did with Mubarek) in trying to micro-manage the governments of other countries? I can understand wanting someone leading Egypt who has a high regard for America; that´s something we benefit from, but aside from our national interests, why do we persist in trying to manage everything else, too?

Obama´s desire was and still is that the Muslim Brotherhood take control of as much as possible. This time in Egypt, he has failed, but what will he do to reverse those fortunes.

The Left vilified Bush for getting involved in other countries, but is strangely silent about Obama´s doing likewise, and more.

We have to decide if spending 1.5B on Egypt right now is worth it. What do WE get out of it and what does Israel get out of it?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Red Jeep, 7/5/2013 7:27:53 AM     (No. 9409586)

Keep the money. Use it to re-open White House tours.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: reilly, 7/5/2013 7:35:43 AM     (No. 9409594)


Read Carolyn Glick over at Jewish World Review this morning. She makes more sense than Mr. Ed and this entire admin.


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Reply 13 - Posted by: rplat, 7/5/2013 8:29:05 AM     (No. 9409671)

When a tyrant controls your country you dispose of him or her in the most expedient way. Hitler also was democratically elected proving that sometimes the process must be reversed by any means necessary. Democracy is not an election, It´s a process that fosters equality, individual rights and true liberty. The removal of Morsi was the will of the people and the US should give them its full support. The left believes in control by the state and only uses "democracy" as a political crutch.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Freeloader, 7/5/2013 8:37:13 AM     (No. 9409683)

So, $1,500,000,000.00 of Uncle Sugar´s cash allocated for The Bamster´s "frat brothers" in The Arab Republic of Egypt is on the line?...And whatever became of those White House Tours for the school c-h-i-l-d-r-e-n of America?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: chillijilli, 7/5/2013 9:38:21 AM     (No. 9409783)

It´s just Obama´s modus operandi. When problems surface he simply tweaks, parses, amends,delays or patches them until the next go around.
The Foot Hood shooting? Workplace violence. The optimistic job #s? Readjust them downward quietly the next week. The coup that may not be a coup? Change the wording if you´ve got a $1.5B snafu to deal with. Sure you can keep your private health insurance under ACA. You just won´t be able to afford it, heh heh.
On and on. A thousand times slicker than the Zipmeister. Words have no meaning anymore bc they can be adjusted minutes or years later if necessary.
It seems, however, that our 7% black-50% white, Black President has encountered 1 major inexplicable issue: whatever happened to Barry Soetoro.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: strike3, 7/5/2013 9:50:52 AM     (No. 9409802)

Morsi´s election was just as legitimate and democratic as obama´s was. We haven´t taken barry´s piggy bank away.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: toddh, 7/5/2013 10:48:58 AM     (No. 9409899)

As Mubarak himself said, foreign aid is taking money from poor Americans and giving it to rich Africans. Money is liquid and can easily be abused.

But the military aid is another thing entirely. We have spent decades "Americanizing" the leadership of Egypt´s military. Had we not followed through with the M1s and F-16s we could be looking at a bloody mess in Egypt right now.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: trapper, 7/5/2013 11:00:38 AM     (No. 9409910)

There is nothing inherently wrong with a coup, even a military coup that removes a democratically elected president and his party, when those removed are governing against the will of the people, assuming dictatorial powers, creating a fascist state, and destroying the democratic process that put them in power in the first place.

We are infected with the virus of moral equivalency. We have spent so many decades being told we cannot be judgmental about anything, lest we be labeled racist, homophobe, bigot, anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim, xenophobe, that it has affected our powers of reason and discernment. Bullets for freedom are not the same as bullets for tyranny.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: trapper, 7/5/2013 11:10:22 AM     (No. 9409928)

Oh, and another thought. Now is PRECISELY the time to reward the Egyptian military with $1.5 billion in aid. The Egyptian people largely support and trust the military, and the military has made clear its desire to transition back to a civilian government as quickly as possible. Egypt tried on the Islamists for size, didn´t like them, and are now trying another tack. And so far their casualties amount to little more than what you see on a summer night in Chicago.

Supporting the Egyptian military is the right thing to do at this time. And that is why I fully expect Obama won´t.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: RancherJack, 7/5/2013 11:12:45 AM     (No. 9409932)

But did Obama shoot par yesterday on the front 9 at Camp David?

That´s what enquiring minds want to know ...

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Reply 21 - Posted by: mitzi, 7/5/2013 11:27:46 AM     (No. 9409969)

The [Obama] administration’s “verbal acrobatics,” he added, denied the obvious. “What is a coup?” he [Morsi advisor] said. “We’re going to get into some really Orwellian stuff here.”

My bet is that the administration will talk about this for months until the next installment is due for Egypt ... and send the money.

Washington disbursed this year’s military aid in May and presumably would not deliver more until next winter or spring.

Military aid? Well, apparently the military put the money to good use!!!




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Reply 22 - Posted by: loveUSA, 7/5/2013 12:04:41 PM     (No. 9410036)

Whatever Obama is for, we are against.
Whatever Obama is against, we are for.
This is a simple test for a corrupt, lying president who hates our country. The opposite of what Obama is for is true and good.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 7/5/2013 12:26:20 PM     (No. 9410068)

Since the fun is starting to wear off of his present situation, maybe Obama will decide to
become President Of Egypt , instead.
It would solve two problems at once .

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Reply 24 - Posted by: rplat, 7/5/2013 1:16:23 PM     (No. 9410131)

This is not a coup . . . it´s simply a recall election with military assistance.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: larryp, 7/5/2013 1:19:02 PM     (No. 9410134)

can´t open the WH for tours until all the microphones and mini cameras are finished being installed.
A conservative President should plan on 4 yrs elsehwere

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Reply 26 - Posted by: varjo, 7/5/2013 1:55:16 PM     (No. 9410175)

If we are tapping everyone´s phones, why is this a surprise?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: twocentsworth, 7/5/2013 2:31:38 PM     (No. 9410224)

No more beards.... is that the quaint Eygptian way of dis-inviting Mrs. Obama from visiting?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: nevernaught, 7/5/2013 2:44:55 PM     (No. 9410236)

Bambi´s teachers should have been a little clearer about Marxist policies. They said community organize the Brothers in the Hood, not the Muslim Brotherhood. He must have been stoned that day, as usual.

He´s going to give the Egyptian Army the money. If he doesn´t, the Russians will.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Rafter, 7/5/2013 6:21:26 PM     (No. 9410510)

That´s twice in two years for Cairo...

No wonder people there are coup-coup...

And O-Bomber did nothing for them, despite a trip just now to their continent....

You could therefore say with accuracy...

WON flew over the coup-coup nest.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: EnsignO, 7/5/2013 9:17:02 PM     (No. 9410677)

#29 what a great sense of humor!!

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A National Labor Relations Board official has given the green light to Northwestern University football players to form a union. The March 26 decision by the NLRB´s Chicago regional director, Peter Sung Ohr, held that scholarship football players are "employees" for purposes of federal labor law. Ohr rejected the longstanding view of Northwestern and the National Collegiate Athletic Association that players are "student-athletes" rather than employees. While Ohr´s decision is hardly the final word on this issue, it does accelerate the legal and political battle against the NCAA and its century-old amateurism rules. Is Football Academic? Kain Colter played quarterback at

U.S. to require rear cameras
in all vehicles by 2018

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Detroit News, by David Shepardson    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 3/31/2014 2:49:26 PM     Post Reply
Washington — The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on Monday finalized long-delayed rules that will require automakers to install back-up cameras in all vehicles by May 2018. The new rules set rear visibility standards that automakers will initially be able to meet only by installing cameras. At the same time, major automakers said Monday they are petitioning the Obama administration to let them end the use of side view mirrors if they install cameras that could perform the same task — a move that could improve fuel efficiency. (Snip) “We are committed to protecting the most vulnerable victims of backover

Report: Obama Admin Released
Tens of Thousands of Illegal
Immigrant Criminals

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by Matthew Boyle    Original Article
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President Obama’s Department of Homeland Security caught then released 68,000 aliens who had previously been convicted of a crime, a new report from the Center for Immigration Studies shows. The report, provided to Breitbart News ahead of its late Sunday evening release, reviews internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) metrics to conclude that the Obama administration released 35 percent—or 68,000—convicted criminal aliens back into the U.S. general population when they could have been deported. (Snip) In response to these findings from CIS that follow up on his office’s report last week, Sessions said immigration law in America has essentially ceased to

Global Warming Will Cause War,
Pestilence, Famine and Death,
Says New IPCC Report Inevitably

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Breitbart London, by James Delingpole    Original Article
Posted By: mitzi- 3/30/2014 5:45:07 PM     Post Reply
Today sees the release of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change´s (IPCC) latest findings on the state of "global warming" and the news isn´t good. Here are some of the highlights: Giant malarial mosquitoes the size of crane flies may descend en masse and drain us of our blood so quickly with their powerful razor sharp probosces that we won´t even have time to be infected - we´ll be dead before we hit the floor; Bangladesh, Tuvalu, The Maldives and Florida will all be submerged; Four horsemen with skulls for faces, glowing red eyes and huge scythes will gallop across

A cup of Earl Grey ´as good as statins´
at fighting heart disease, study finds

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Telegraph [UK], by Alice Philipson    Original Article
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Drinking Earl Grey tea could help guard against heart disease, it has emerged, after a study found that bergamot extract--a key ingredient in the hot drink--is just as effective as statins at controlling cholesterol. Scientists believe bergamot, a fragrant Mediterranean citrus fruit which gives Earl Grey tea its distinctive flavour, can significantly lower cholesterol. They say it contains enzymes known as HMGF (hydroxy methyl glutaryl flavonones) which can attack proteins in the body known to cause heart disease. The study found bergamot could even be as effective as statins, used to control cholesterol but which can have side effects in


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