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Is It Possible That Snowden Is A Hero?
Irish Examiner USA, by Alicia Colon

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Posted By:Drive, 7/4/2013 1:02:02 AM

Until I began reading Brad Thor´s thriller, "Black List", I was undecided about whistleblower Edward Snowden. The plot of this novel is eerily similar to the NSA scandal and involves an IT whiz who discovers that the government is collecting data on American citizens, not terrorists, to control our lives and she steals the proof but is hunted down and killed. Maybe Snowden blew the whistle because the extent of the data collection and how it is being used by this administration terrified him. The irony is that the book was published in 2012 before the IRS and AP scandals.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: thelmalou, 7/4/2013 1:22:36 AM     (No. 9408084)

Excellent thoughts as usual, Miss Alicia. You articulate my feelings about all this. Ambivalence with a heavy (VERY heavy) dose of pessimism.


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Reply 2 - Posted by: OregonTrail, 7/4/2013 1:34:42 AM     (No. 9408090)

Alicia nails it again.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: FormerDem, 7/4/2013 2:15:38 AM     (No. 9408114)

He´s a hero.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: lil dotty, 7/4/2013 2:25:31 AM     (No. 9408115)

This character has certainly stirred up a hornets nest. If he has secrets on our national security no doubt about it, he is a traitor. But if he has done this to pull the curtain aside to show the country our magic mulatto in all his nakedness, we should be examining closely just what he is attempting to expose. At the moment we are aware something in DC is happening which doesn´t appear in history books. Chief Justices who pull laws out of hats. Newly elected congressman who seem to change overnight to become easy prey to any predator lurking in the shadows. Do any doubt that THIS oval office would not do anything they could to grab power and hold it by whatever means possible? This includes, blackmail, extortion, and murder. If there is any evidence of that, WTP need to see it. As for the leaker´s oath he might have taken when he took the job...did not every government worker take an oath as well? Both elected officials or contracted employees? In a society that has no moral core, oaths mean little or nothing. They certainly did not matter one iota to either this creature in the oval office, our supreme court, nor our congress critters.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Lalo, 7/4/2013 4:07:39 AM     (No. 9408123)

Great article. Thank you, Alicia.

I thought from the beginning that he was a hero but wobbled recently when I saw he had included China in his asylum requests. That could have just been an indication of his desperation, though, coupled with an apparent fondness for Chinese culture.

It just strikes me that he would have to have had noble intentions, combined with a taste for the dramatic and exotic, to do something that surely he knew would make him a fugitive and sweep the rug from under his life like this -- and to have become very, very disillusioned. Plus there was his very credible video.

But didn´t it happen very rapidly? That´s what a lib friend used to discredit him -- the fact that he had only worked there a month or however briefly. But I don´t think that would necessarily matter.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: WayneDavis, 7/4/2013 5:25:59 AM     (No. 9408148)

Interesting article.

I don´t know enough to form an opinion. Snowden is a modern day Daniel Ellsberg.

Is it an American´s patriotic duty to stay quiet when they learn that the government is systematically breaking the law and ignoring our Constitution and destroying out right to privacy, and a number of other laws?

I love America, and fought for this conutry under three presidents and it took me sometime to admit to myself that our current government is corrupt, and it is run by people who want complete and total power over us. It seems they will do anything and stop at nothing to make that happen.

My question is, if Snowden is a traitor, then who´s America is he violating?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: StormCnter, 7/4/2013 6:40:09 AM     (No. 9408186)

No.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: planetgeo, 7/4/2013 6:54:35 AM     (No. 9408212)

After considerable thought about him and what he has done, I´ve come to the conclusion that he may not be a hero, but his revelations are indeed heroic. His motives aren´t entirely pure, and he has divulged information that already has been used by our enemies to change their tactics. So he´s not a hero.

But the revelation that our government has set up a comprehensive surveillance and intelligence gathering system encompassing every citizen IS indeed a heroic and hugely important action. This program is unequivocally unconstitutional. It must be drastically curtailed and controlled. And if this revelation hadn´t been made public, the likelihood is that it would have continued to grow and become an Orwellian menace to all of us.

So, yes, it clearly was a heroic revelation.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: safesword, 7/4/2013 6:57:35 AM     (No. 9408217)

please....everyone...for your own good...read the question #7 poses...it answers itself in my mind...i too served and bought the lie that our government would never turn into ravenous wolves...well...here we are....as the wolves lick their lips...exactly #7...whose America,exactly,is he a traitor to?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: bg38, 7/4/2013 7:00:03 AM     (No. 9408220)

The Be a Good Neighbor ins. co is offering a free GPS to be installed in your car in exchange for a premium reduction. It came in the mail yesterday. My other half couldn´t resist the fee techy stuff plus the promise to have a rate reduction. Not in my car you don´t.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: jinx, 7/4/2013 7:04:25 AM     (No. 9408223)

Excellent article! A Must Read. Obama does not want Snowden brought back. He would have to go to trial and then all kinds of secrets would be exposed. I say he is a hero.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 7/4/2013 7:20:49 AM     (No. 9408235)

It´s a terrible thing to say but every economic, ethical, foeign affairs, you name it, problem brought on by the actions of this administration bring us closer to the end of liberal dominance. There is no way out except through great adversity.

I tend to believe Snowden is a hero.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: tren9, 7/4/2013 7:20:51 AM     (No. 9408236)

Without siding either with or against Snowden [I am still conflicted] I would just point out that Snowden did NOT take an oath to support and defend the administration but rather to support and defend the country and the Constitution. It is possible to both love your country and fear its government.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 7/4/2013 7:23:15 AM     (No. 9408239)

Anyone remember Schindler´s List? People with impure motives can save lives too.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: ruready?, 7/4/2013 7:27:53 AM     (No. 9408242)

Remember, both the republicians and the democrats targeted the Tea Party. Why was Sarah not even allowed to speak a the republican national convention?? Our previous vice presidential candidate was muzzled by our republican leaders.

Both the republicans and democrats hate the Tea Party and love their power. It stands to reason that both would panic at what Snowden has revealed. Notice that McCain and Lindsey Graham seem to want Snowden captured most of all.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: MissMolly, 7/4/2013 7:33:27 AM     (No. 9408247)

Geez, #16, the myth is not fact. Governor Palin was offered a time slot and date she didn´t like, so she declined to appear. No one prevented her from doing anything.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: ruready?, 7/4/2013 7:36:18 AM     (No. 9408249)

She was muzzled. I forget, who was the keynote?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: truthfetish, 7/4/2013 7:39:19 AM     (No. 9408251)

I´d answer "yes" to the headline question, but I still perceive many of L-dot´s legacy commenters, who seem to know much more than me about these things (and, like me, detest this regime), continue see Snowden as a traitor.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: mainelysane, 7/4/2013 7:39:38 AM     (No. 9408252)

Hero. God bless and protect him.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Hermoine, 7/4/2013 7:42:24 AM     (No. 9408258)

Kinda makes one wonder why, if we have all of this information, why isn´t being used to profile and track real threats to society, like terrorists, pedophiles and other hard core criminals. It does appear that it is being used for political purposes and political purposes only.



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Reply 21 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 7/4/2013 7:46:34 AM     (No. 9408260)

FTA: There is another possibility that the government uses all this information to finance its surveillance programs.

And to line their own pockets. And to finance the Muslin Brotherhood and other US enemies.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: altoona, 7/4/2013 7:53:00 AM     (No. 9408264)

I am in awe of the brilliance of this Colon column. The best ever on a difficult subject.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 7/4/2013 7:55:28 AM     (No. 9408267)

#16 & #17 Which is why, according to the ratings, there were 17 Million fewer viewers compared to 2008 RNC.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: tinnyanko, 7/4/2013 8:02:07 AM     (No. 9408273)

As far as I could get from the article, Alicia is not calling him a hero but is simply raising the question and providing us with info to make up our minds.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Wetlandz, 7/4/2013 8:09:40 AM     (No. 9408283)

hero to me also

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Laurie, 7/4/2013 8:09:46 AM     (No. 9408284)

Excellent #24. Thank you for the reminder.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: dolphin, 7/4/2013 8:10:44 AM     (No. 9408286)

If you sat down at your desk and saw what he saw what would you do?

Yes the question #7 poses is similar to the question Colon poses. How is this information being used? To bring down peaceful voters or to stop people who blow little children´s legs off? The answer is in the success.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: anonymous, 7/4/2013 8:18:22 AM     (No. 9408296)

I suspect that Snowden knows a lot more things about the Obama administration. What we´ve heard thus far may well just be the tip of the iceberg. Remember that Obama is a control freak. Like all control freaks, he wants to control the narrative. He has a media firewall protecting him too.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 7/4/2013 8:25:07 AM     (No. 9408301)

@25- and millions of voters staying home.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 7/4/2013 8:27:32 AM     (No. 9408303)

Geez, #17, "the myth is not fact. Governor Palin was offered a time slot and date she didn´t like, so she declined to appear. No one prevented her from doing anything."

Nowhere do we see where she was "offered a time slot"...

But she did graciously announce, "This year is a good opportunity for other voices to speak at the convention and I’m excited to hear them. As I’ve repeatedly said, I support Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan in their efforts to replace President Obama ..."

Alicia answers the headline if you read btw the lines...

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Reply 31 - Posted by: gaeditor, 7/4/2013 8:35:07 AM     (No. 9408313)

Thank you #29, for your equally insightful question. What would you do?

I don´t know who or what Snowden is, but we are all better for the information, aren´t we? How many of you stopped using social media? Pulled down your FB page? I´d like to see those stats.

Of course, the press wouldn´t mention it. After all, they are friends providing any manner of information to this administration, too, aren´t they?

And thank you, Alicia, for the mention of Cain. He also was the earliest person to have Secret Service protection in the history of elections. I read one time, in a single article that he and his family "received threats." Does that make you wonder?

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Reply 32 - Posted by: gaeditor, 7/4/2013 8:50:10 AM     (No. 9408336)

Please forgive a second post, but #6, this kid is really very, very smart. He may have virtually unlimited knowledge on some entities. If you work from that, everything becomes possible. What if China was a head-fake? What if that extradition paperwork was really filled out correctly? What if he has the same kind of dirt on other countries? The NSA was spying on all of them, after all.

What if the guy in the Moscow airport isn´t even him? Could he blackmail Putin (who is a real former-KGB creepazoid, remember) to protect himself?

There´s no telling. (Which is why this story has us all captivated.)It´s like a political thriller in real life.

Obama has secrets, too, don´t forget. Suddenly he seems most disinterested in Edward Snowden.


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Reply 33 - Posted by: WimeTarmerFable, 7/4/2013 8:51:15 AM     (No. 9408339)

The most concise review of the new SS strategery I have read. Truly frightening.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: MissMolly, 7/4/2013 9:12:05 AM     (No. 9408387)

#32, all you have to do is ask her, rather than relying on the myth.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: smcchk, 7/4/2013 9:15:56 AM     (No. 9408398)

Excellent answer, #7.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: toledo, 7/4/2013 9:17:55 AM     (No. 9408402)

Looks like we all need the Cone of Silence

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Reply 37 - Posted by: mc squared, 7/4/2013 9:45:39 AM     (No. 9408455)

#24´s concise post wraps it up.



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Reply 38 - Posted by: plumnellie, 7/4/2013 10:16:31 AM     (No. 9408532)

As usual Mrs Alicia gives words to my thoughts. I am glad that Snowden brought to light so much that many of us instinctively believed was going on. However, he betrayed us to China and Russia. The mixed feelings that Mrs Alicia voices are like my own. I am very suspicious of our government. The ´rulers´ seem to target good citizens more than they do those who seek to harm the country. The Boston Bombers were not given much of a look while Tea people are being targeted. Who can trust a government that spies on its own citizens and keeps a record of all they do? I sure do not. Bush opened the door to Big Brother and Obama turned the government into our jailor.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: stablemoney, 7/4/2013 10:30:18 AM     (No. 9408567)

American heroes don´t encamp in China and Russia.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: bogeegolf, 7/4/2013 10:36:49 AM     (No. 9408582)

I read the book when it first came out and it scared the heck out of me since I had seen how this administration operates enough by then. No administration should have this access. For years I have been telling my kids the downside to all this tech stuff as we all have become more addicted to it. It is hard to say what truly motivated Snowden but,like others , I am glad the info got out. People need to know this and I think this has gone mainstream enough that even some of the lo fos have gotten it.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: jglas, 7/4/2013 10:53:25 AM     (No. 9408613)

Excellent review of all the evil the government can do and the control over people they can exercise using the available tools. I´m not as sure as Alicia that they´re actually doing that much domestic surveillance and control right now (it would still be illegal) but they certainly could. 1984 is now possible and this is exactly the sort of administration that would bring it about. As to Snowden, Alicia is right on that, Obama is not trying hard to capture him. It´s to Obama´s benefit to have him out there drawing attention away from more dangerous (for Obama) scandals like the IRS and Benghazi.

Happy Independence Day (no sarcasm intended).

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Reply 42 - Posted by: RancherJack, 7/4/2013 11:04:55 AM     (No. 9408635)

Yes.

Yes he is.

I´ve read the Book of Esther. The punchline in that scripture is for such a time as this

BTW - Edward Snowdon will almost surely die for the sins of this Nation. That´s a stout thing to look down the barrel of when contemplating going up against the Beast. He did it anyway.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: nevernaught, 7/4/2013 11:10:22 AM     (No. 9408645)

Starting at square one, is the Obama Administration spying on and gathering data about innocent American citizens for control purposes and for election fixing. As a matter of fact are police and government entities following your every move with cameras and GPS chips. There was an article the other day that stated police car cameras now take pictures of all car license plates that they encounter when driving. Look at the cameras at intersections and on electronic speed signs. This IS 1984 only later than previously predicted.

What they didn´t count on was someone as efficient and smart as Snowden. If you worked for these data collection agencies, and knew specifically what they were doing, how would you blow the whistle on the personal invasions and election fixing by government organizations. As the guy said in Catch 22, they are going to disappear me.

Of course they fixed the last Presidential election. The IRS, NSA, TSA, ETAL made sure of that. If Snowden wanted to escape to a country that wouldn´t extradite him, it sure wouldn´t be to a place that is doing the same thing in coordination with the same government. I´m with Alicia.


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Reply 44 - Posted by: QRP, 7/4/2013 11:22:18 AM     (No. 9408659)

On this Independence Day, I rank Snowden right up there with those that signed the Declaration of Independence. They knew they would be branded traitors by the most powerful nation on earth. They knew that their lives and those of their families as they had lived them were over. They knew that many of their friends and neighbors would gladly turn them over to the British. Many of them were imprisoned or killed.
Thus is the fate of Mr. Snowden. The best he can hope for is a sad life in a lousy country. More likely is prison or death.


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Reply 45 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 7/4/2013 11:29:18 AM     (No. 9408677)

#24 Dittos. And to see what the signers sacrificed, go to Rush´s webpage and read about "The Americans Who Risked Everything."

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Reply 46 - Posted by: bearcat, 7/4/2013 11:38:36 AM     (No. 9408698)

Very disappointed. Snowden is not a character in a book. He is not a hero. A hero would follow the whistleblower act and give the info to someone like Rand Paul. Ellsberg gave his info to Congressman Pete Stark. Snowden went to Hong Kong (China), then Russia, and asked for asylum in Cuba, Ecuador, Venezuela, etc. Not a hero. Possibly a dupe.


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Reply 47 - Posted by: CleanhouseinDc, 7/4/2013 11:40:26 AM     (No. 9408702)

The government that Mr. Snowden has exposed, along with the media lapdogs that are it´s mouthpiece will certainly brand him a traitor. and certainly,if he gives these secrets to our enemies, at is traitorous.

By the same token, do our allies and enemies honestly believe we don´t spy and them and vice versa? Of course not, but it makes for great theatre and bluster for to show outrage to their masses, and embarrass us again.

I do believe his actions are heroic as a former poster said. If the release of this information forces a change in the govern,, and we are able to shift the "watching" to those that mean us harm, not for a government to harm us, the history will call him a hero. If not, he´ll be another blot in the Obama destruction zone.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: chicodon, 7/4/2013 11:47:48 AM     (No. 9408709)

I am trying to be careful to not base my opinion of Snowden based only on the picture that the government has painted. The Obama machine is adroit in the use of propaganda.

Another point of view...
Google: snowden father open letter

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Reply 49 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 7/4/2013 12:02:04 PM     (No. 9408726)

Unquestionably a hero.

The brilliant Ms. Colon presents, as usual, a very balanced case, but as # 32 suggests, we can guess which way she´d vote.

Why, on this INDEPENDENCE DAY, is there even any question that what he did was good...and heroic?! Our government has taken away our freedom, violating especially the 4th Amendment ("The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizure,...") and the 1st.

Is your speech ´free´ with the restrictions imposed by "Political Correctness," "Hate Speech," and now the revelation that you are being constantly monitored?

Please, Google Panopticon ("The concept of the design is to allow a watchman to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) inmates of an institution without them being able to tell whether or not they are being watched.") and Mass Surveillance ("the pervasive surveillance of an entire population, or a substantial fraction thereof.") to get a better idea of how much of our liberty has been lost.

#29 poses the question: "What would you do?" At another time in our illustrious history. an unquestionably heroic American answered it thusly: "...I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

Edward Snowden is a dead man walking.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: lana720, 7/4/2013 12:14:00 PM     (No. 9408748)

I tend to see Snowden as a hero. If he isn´t, why would the WH paint him a traitor?
Perhaps going to Hong Kong was a mistake, but with a Justice department like this and what he knew, he obviously doesn´t trust our government.
Everything this administration thinks is correct, is wrong. Everything they believe is wrong is right (conscience rights, e.g.).
This is Independence Day, a day paid for our freedoms with the blood of Patriots. Where are the Patriots of today?

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Reply 51 - Posted by: Susannah, 7/4/2013 12:47:46 PM     (No. 9408809)

Well, Snowden is supported by Oliver Stone, Noam Chomsky, Katrina van den Heuvel, Rosanne Barr, John Cusack, and a host of other left-wing luminaries. I assume their reasons for regarding him as hero would differ from those on the right.

Snowden has with him four laptops full of highly classified, very sensitive information that, make no mistake, China and Russia have long since gained access to. Snowden told the Germans the details of an anti-Al Quaeda operation; Al-Quaeda now has those details.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: thelmalou, 7/4/2013 12:48:29 PM     (No. 9408811)

#24´s post is simply beautiful. Thank you.

#45´s words carry great weight with me. A very wise man.


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Reply 53 - Posted by: sikupnfed, 7/4/2013 1:36:25 PM     (No. 9408853)

Alicia - thanks. I appreciate Snowden bringing this nastiness into the light, but I am sad at how it happened, and worried. Very worried. Snowden is a traitor by all definition and if we make exceptions to the rule.. well, we can´t.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: patrick28nov45, 7/4/2013 1:57:51 PM     (No. 9408881)

Outside of the neighborhood where I live in rural Utah I am a nobody. The government is not interested in anything I have to say or do. They will not search my emails or make note of the conservative blogs I open each morning i.e. Drudge Report, Lucianne.com, World Net Daily; Fox News etc. I am not at all concerned. BUT, if I were to run for public office and pose a threat to one of their congressmen or senators, the would spy on me with a vengeance to engage in “opposition research”. This is where the abuse begins because I would be viewed by Obama as a greater threat than Middle East terrorists. My privacy would then be open season for political reasons. So much for the promises that it will take a court order.

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Reply 55 - Posted by: Lalo, 7/4/2013 2:20:29 PM     (No. 9408903)

Of course, if he´s a hero he may be a flawed hero in that he did not go by the Whistleblower Protection Act, and he was surely foolish in worldly terms. But maybe he felt that whoever he went to would not feel the urgency and that the impact would be diluted. As for any info that China got - I´m a little skeptical that it´s anything they didn´t already know as I´m afraid they have wormed their way in and are firmly ensconced here and there at the highest levels. Hope I´m wrong about the extent.

As for a lot of leftists also considering him a hero -- that is not always a valid basis for an opinion. The right and the left do often coincide - for example on certain libertarian issues. No one wants to be spied on, right or left.

Excuse the long-winded double-dip.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: busterman, 7/4/2013 3:07:36 PM     (No. 9408967)

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." -- Admiral Yamamoto

They have no idea.

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Reply 57 - Posted by: toledo, 7/4/2013 4:04:01 PM     (No. 9409024)

The whistleblowers that went before have been ignored by Obama and the DOJ. Techdirt reports that Snowden is not the first WB. And the sounding of the alarm over NSA surveillance has been going on for at least the last ten years. He´s just the most effective

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Reply 58 - Posted by: peterfleming, 7/4/2013 4:59:40 PM     (No. 9409079)

The Diane Sawyers and all useless bureaucrats want him dead so that their perverted story will outlast the truth.

One image prevails no matter the facts or the lies: CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE. Read a little or a lot of THOREAU.

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Reply 59 - Posted by: kelty, 7/4/2013 5:33:12 PM     (No. 9409101)

I vote hero. Only a young male could do something so idealistic, yet so stupid for himself as far as long-reaching effects on his life go.



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Reply 60 - Posted by: Bohallx, 7/4/2013 6:07:16 PM     (No. 9409133)

Snowden is reported to have gone first to the far leftwing Washington Post ~ which, BTW, is so anti-right to life they almost didn´t cover Gosnell.

Then, Snowden went to the far leftwing Guardian ~ actually the Communist oriented Guardian ~ which, if it were covering a ride on the teacups at Disneyland would give it a Commie slant.

Then he went to Chicom territory itself ~ Hong Kong has been part of Big China since 1997.

These are people and places that popped naturally into his mind and none of them are Conservative!

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Reply 61 - Posted by: drive, 7/4/2013 6:52:44 PM     (No. 9409180)

BTW folks, this also means that anybody thinking of running for office better not surf for naughty stuff because Google knows where you´ve been and so does the NSA

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Reply 62 - Posted by: Tianne, 7/4/2013 6:58:56 PM     (No. 9409189)

Another excellent and thoughtful article by Ms. Colon - one very worthy of our interest and dissection.

Mr. Snowden is a very young man in lots of trouble. It is difficult to ascertain motives and sympathies. However, the information that the likes of Roseanne Barr and Oliver Stone support him may be in itself a ruse. The liberals know that conservatives abandon those whom they support. The liberals may be launching an all-out effort to try to sway conservatives away from supporting him. But, then, again...

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Reply 63 - Posted by: OhMy, 7/4/2013 8:07:43 PM     (No. 9409265)

Clearly Snowdon is a traitor and he should be pardoned or given immunity for his co-operation it giving evidence to imprison the traitors in high office who are doing far more damage to the country and our constitutional freedoms. Isn´t that standard procedure in law enforcement to give immunity to the small fish in order to get the big fish?

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Reply 64 - Posted by: Hawkshaw, 7/4/2013 8:39:41 PM     (No. 9409290)

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

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Reply 65 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 7/4/2013 8:59:52 PM     (No. 9409297)

To answer the question, ask yourself what you would do if you found out the government was spying, without judicial process, on millions of innocent Americans. That it was storing that data and using it against Americans that had no connection to terrorism. What if Justin Carter were your son? What if you learned that the data was to be used against anyone who does not agree with BHO?


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Reply 66 - Posted by: Lalo, 7/4/2013 9:56:55 PM     (No. 9409314)

#64, first of all - Snowden is basically a lib; he voted for Obama, after all, so one would not exactly expect him to go to the Washington Times. It would be natural for him to go to media that had credibility with him and vice versa.

Secondly - which DC paper broke Watergate and brought down a president? A Republican president, but still...

Third - yes, historically The Guardian was a leftist rag and editorially is still lib - but hardly viciously so, and seems quite mainstream now. Their piece today about the Fourth is friendly and admiring. The emigre Brit writes, "Lord knows, America is far from perfect... For all that, the United States of America still holds up a corruscating example to the world: ´We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.´"

Also, thanks to #63 for saying in two lines what it took me several to say earlier - "I vote hero. Only a young male could do something so idealistic, yet so stupid for himself as far as long-reaching effects on his life go." , Historically, women can be just as crazy and idealistic.


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Reply 67 - Posted by: Lalo, 7/4/2013 9:59:46 PM     (No. 9409317)

Woops.. for the last line I meant to say, "Why limit it to males? Women can be just as crazy and idealistic." And that is my last post on this thread, promise.

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Reply 68 - Posted by: Bohallx, 7/4/2013 10:07:21 PM     (No. 9409320)

And finally, Snowden went first to visit the Chicoms.

No real good answer for that one eh? Well, I thought not mysel ~ unless he´s one of theirs, or wants to have his franchise bought out.

Last thing after ´finally´, I pointed out on numerous internet boards, and even here at Lucianne.com, and other well known spots that at this very moment the United States Gub´mnt is operating a mail cover operation that allows cross correlation of all O and D as well as intermediate processing steps ~ for all letter mail sent by anyone to anyone inside or outside the USA.

The metadata with mail covers is as powerful as anything Snowden reported NSA to be doing with regard to domestic communications.

I reported that right here to people in high dudgeon over what Snowden said he was reporting on AND NOT ONE OF YOU HAVE SAID ´Oh, my gawd, that´s horrid´ ~ nor do you seem to recall that Richard Nixon hissef´ got caught doing this and all the Leftwingtards of his day were out for his scalp over that!

Which means that about 99.99999% of the people bemoaning the fate of the world at the hands of the Metadatist monster have no idea at all what they are talking about.

Neither does Snowden. He´s just another commercial spy.

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Reply 69 - Posted by: kelty, 7/4/2013 10:47:04 PM     (No. 9409342)

#70 Yes, women can. Maybe I´m wrong, but I think the greater numbers are on the guys´ side - especially if they don´t have kids.

Women tend to be always peripherally aware of that side of things at a younger age, but I didn´t mean to discount those that do take the risk.

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Reply 70 - Posted by: Holoholo, 7/5/2013 3:59:15 AM     (No. 9409475)

Justin Carter was an idiot. No, he should not have been jailed for being an idiot.

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Reply 71 - Posted by: dlta1, 7/5/2013 9:26:05 AM     (No. 9409766)

Snowden is a coward, a traitor and a media whore.

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